Newbie needs your help!

[Eliza Thomason]

Thank you for the links...I now read just 2 sentences from INFp and ENFp and yet I am very sure to which one I relate more. I am everything but NOT the typical female. I am clumsy, poorly coordinated, with very strange movements (When I was a kid everyone used to laugh at me at the gym classes. I still heave trauma from these situations ) and I look very young for my age. I am short and very thin with childish face, I am 20, but most of the people think I am about 15-16 . I also have child like figure and not very typical female curves. In my style I am unusual and hope I will be different than other women..I won't contunie... It fits 99,9% . But when I should choose between merry or serious I am really in between. I tend to be very serious in lots of things that others don't consider so important and merry in other situations, that others consider as importan . So I guess I am ENFp, but this is funny... because when I did the MBTI I was stucked in between INFJ and ENFP and now this typeing seems to be stucked on the same 2 types...Ne+Fi vs. Ni+Fe... In the end I guess I am a wierd Ne+Fi+Ni+Fe hybrid as I can have some of the characteristics from both of these types. But ENFp seems to fit a bit more.

Oh that is cool. At least you have one you are more sure of. Yes, the dichtonomies sometimes just don't feel clear at all, you have to really get what they are describing and not get stuck on words and their preconceived definitions, and sometimes that's hard. But some of the pairs you are more clear on usually. For example. ENFp is a Negativist in the Postitivist/Negativist Dichtonomy. Yet I am often seen as a happy smiling positive person. But when I read what Renin calls Negativist, I realize I am that. And my INFj friends smile less than me. They smile very nicely when they do smile, they just smile less. BUt they are the Postivists. @Maritsa and I once said that INFjs must be Negative Positivists and ENFp's must be Positive Negativists. (at least I think it was Maritsa!)

Now that you are more sure of ENFp, what I would do is look up on a relationship chart, like this one:http://www.socionics.com/rel/relcht.htm and see how that matches up with people you relate closely to - boyfriends, siblings, best friends, parents - whichever one you are sure of their type. And see if that does is in fact describe the type of relationship you have with them.

If those keep coming up wrong then you might see if how INFj relates with those people describes your relationships...(that chart links to relationship-type descritptions, but the best and most thorough descriptions of the relationship types can be found on this site, when you are ready for more reading on it). I think the relationship thing is one of the very most interesting parts of Socionics, which you don't get in MBTI. (The other really, really interesting thing, I think, is Model A).

Yes, so if you can take any more investigating, you could read up on Model A for your ENFp and see how ENFp uses all the various functions, how that manifests, and also for INFj, and you will see they use the functions quite differently and that would help confirm your type. Like, for example, we ENFp's are "Si valuing" and INFj's are something-else valuing - I forgot what.

P.S. I always think that "clumsy, poor movements" comes from that head-in-the-clouds thing. I took dance classes to keep my head out of the clouds and into real time, and be more aware of myself in space. Which I really need to do again, its been a long time since I took a class, and I need it. Walking mindfully barefoot is what I do to get me out of my head now. I just took one today in this lovely fall weather.

[DarkWhite]

Oh that is cool. At least you have one you are more sure of. Yes, the dichtonomies sometimes just don't feel clear at all, you have to really get what they are describing and not get stuck on words and their preconceived definitions, and sometimes that's hard. But some of the pairs you are more clear on usually. For example. ENFp is a Negativist in the Postitivist/Negativist Dichtonomy. Yet I am often seen as a happy smiling positive person. But when I read what Renin calls Negativist, I realize I am that. And my INFj friends smile less than me. They smile very nicely when they do smile, they just smile less. BUt they are the Postivists. @Maritsa and I once said that INFjs must be Negative Positivists and ENFp's must be Positive Negativists. (at least I think it was Maritsa!)

Now that you are more sure of ENFp, what I would do is look up on a relationship chart, like this one:http://www.socionics.com/rel/relcht.htm and see how that matches up with people you relate closely to - boyfriends, siblings, best friends, parents - whichever one you are sure of their type. And see if that does is in fact describe the type of relationship you have with them.

If those keep coming up wrong then you might see if how INFj relates with those people describes your relationships...(that chart links to relationship-type descritptions, but the best and most thorough descriptions of the relationship types can be found on this site, when you are ready for more reading on it). I think the relationship thing is one of the very most interesting parts of Socionics, which you don't get in MBTI. (The other really, really interesting thing, I think, is Model A).

Yes, so if you can take any more investigating, you could read up on Model A for your ENFp and see how ENFp uses all the various functions, how that manifests, and also for INFj, and you will see they use the functions quite differently and that would help confirm your type. Like, for example, we ENFp's are "Si valuing" and INFj's are something-else valuing - I forgot what.

P.S. I always think that "clumsy, poor movements" comes from that head-in-the-clouds thing. I took dance classes to keep my head out of the clouds and into real time, and be more aware of myself in space. Which I really need to do again, its been a long time since I took a class, and I need it. Walking mindfully barefoot is what I do to get me out of my head now. I just took one today in this lovely fall weather.

The relationships seem to also fit... I am in relationshio with an ENTp and it's very much like the description. Most of my friends are ESFp and that "Look a like" description aslo seems to fit very much. We deal with similar problems, easily understand each other, help each other. I've noticed I have very much in commonon with ESFp types, even though I know we are not totally the same. I would only disagree with the ISFj description, I usually get along with ISFjs very well also. Most of my frieds are Se+Fi, or Fi+Se and I can get along with them equaly well.
About being clumsy... I tried to take dance classes also, but I always ended up doing something else than everyone else around me, so I rather gave up .

[mu4]

The relationships seem to also fit... I am in relationshio with an ENTp and it's very much like the description. Most of my friends are ESFp and that "Look a like" description aslo seems to fit very much. We deal with similar problems, easily understand each other, help each other. I've noticed I have very much in commonon with ESFp types, even though I know we are not totally the same. I would only disagree with the ISFj description, I usually get along with ISFjs very well also. Most of my frieds are Se+Fi, or Fi+Se and I can get along with them equaly well.
About being clumsy... I tried to take dance classes also, but I always ended up doing something else than everyone else around me, so I rather gave up .

How long have you been in a relationship with a ENTp? And how old is the ENTp, one of the relationships I see very common is ENFj, ENTp relations. There's a lot to attract these two to each other. Also this type ENFj can have very good relationship with ESFp and ISFj as well. This is true for INFp as well but imo INFp, ENTp relationships can get stagnant really fast. As far as ENFp and ENTp relationships, I haven't seen these too often and INFj ENTp relationships can get painful fast.

But video por favor. ^_^

BTW you seem a bit edgy, unique and into authenticity are those things that concern you a lot?

[DarkWhite]

How long have you been in a relationship with a ENTp? And how old is the ENTp, one of the relationships I see very common is ENFj, ENTp relations. There's a lot to attract these two to each other. Also this type ENFj can have very good relationship with ESFp and ISFj as well. This is true for INFp as well but imo INFp, ENTp relationships can get stagnant really fast. As far as ENFp and ENTp relationships, I haven't seen these too often and INFj ENTp relationships can get painful fast.

But video por favor. ^_^

BTW you seem a bit edgy, unique and into authenticity are those things that concern you a lot?

I've been with ENTp for an year. He's 3 years older than me (23), the relationship is a bit...interesting. There are some phases when I feel like I love him the most and the phases when we really argue a lot. Our arguing is a bit funny, 'cause in the end we both are talking about the exact same thing, but everyone talk in a different way, from a different point of view and then we just argue and argue, even though we both say same things. your comment "You're diyng to make a video" made me unsure if I am dying to make a video . But I will make it, not today, but tomorrow after my psychology class, when I get home. And your BTW: Is very correct. Am very edgy, and being uniqe and authetnic are the things that matter the most to me. But again I guess it's a 4 enneagram thing, I am really very clear 4 without any doubts. As for the video...I am also unsure what make it about? Should I answer a questions, or just talk about me, or some stuff I like, or what?

[mu4]

I've been with ENTp for an year. He's 3 years older than me (23), the relationship is a bit...interesting. There are some phases when I feel like I love him the most and the phases when we really argue a lot. Our arguing is a bit funny, 'cause in the end we both are talking about the exact same thing, but everyone talk in a different way, from a different point of view and then we just argue and argue, even though we both say same things. your comment "You're diyng to make a video" made me unsure if I am dying to make a video . But I will make it, not today, but tomorrow after my psychology class, when I get home. And your BTW: Is very correct. Am very edgy, and being uniqe and authetnic are the things that matter the most to me. But again I guess it's a 4 enneagram thing, I am really very clear 4 without any doubts. As for the video...I am also unsure what make it about? Should I answer a questions, or just talk about me, or some stuff I like, or what?

Sometimes people want to argue just to win. It can even be fun. ^_^

I would like to know what matters to you, if you want to answer that?

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...do=form&fid=10

This questionnaire is a bit NF biased but I think it's good for you since I am pretty sure you are NF.

[DarkWhite]

Sometimes people want to argue just to win. It can even be fun. ^_^

I would like to know what matters to you, if you want to answer that?

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...do=form&fid=10

This questionnaire is a bit NF biased but I think it's good for you since I am pretty sure you are NF.

Uff..the questionaire was terribly long but I did it!