LEGERDEMAIN - pppplease type me by asking me questions nad i make video

[Satan]

ARE YOU 14?

[Suz]

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SLE

As I have said a million times before.

you think so??
I didn't see any evidence of Fe-HA in there..
But Kim you know the SLE type better than I do, since you'd dated one...

My impression is ST club most likely (based on your response to Jim's "sarcasm" in response to Maritsa's question--or maybe that reflected Fe-POLR im not sure), and I get a sense of Fi-valuing actually ("dont want to make any enemies here" -- I doubt SLEs would have that thought even cross their minds)

My guesses:
SLI, LSI, or ILI

I know a lot of LSEs and you dont strike me as one, but i could be wrong. I thought your answers were very concise, to the point, and using as few words as possible which is very reminiscent to me of SLIs actually (idk, maybe LSIs too).

I guess you can read about the quadras and see which one fits you the best.

[Suz]

ARE YOU 14?

I rest my case.

[Suz]

yeah, no more LSE typing for you

SLI is closer

Maritsa, I agree with you on a type, for once!

[Suz]

From that video Leger actually reminds me of one of my SLE boyfriends best friends who I've typed as LSI. Really smart guy who loved getting into debates (would get very aggressive when debating), sexually open, agressivly playful and a strange sense of humor... Sometimes he would just stare at me with a really creepy expression or ask me really stupid questions just because he'd love seeing my reactions. He thought my confused/uncomfortable facial expressions were the most hilarious thing ever.

I dont disagree with LSI... I guess I dont have quite enough info from the video to make the call between SLI and LSI

[Suz]

She has an oscillating relationship with her boyfriend where they don't know how to deal with eachother's problems or reach common ground but still find each other irresistible.

I would definitely look into whether or not you prefer subjective sensing over objective sensing. One example I often encounter with people is, that Si users will think of the dirty dishes and all the possible things that could be going wrong (the mold is growing, the germs are multiplying, the roaches are scurrying on them at night) etc and the'll lose sleep until they satisfy their anxiety over the dishes. Whereas for myself, an objective sensor, i will walk into the kitchen, sniff the air and say, "hmm... *sniff sniff* smells like its time to do dishes."

This is a huge generalization but that's basically how it works for me.

Also IME, you can feel the difference between Fe and Fi. Fi feels like its internally warm, while Fe feels like its radiating. When I date Fi users, I feel loved in a way that fills my body much the way eating lunch warms me up in the cold. Whereas, when an Fe user loves me, I radiate energy outward. In both cases I become more compassionate but in different ways.

ummmm... you're not SLE then. As Fi-POLRs, SLE's are blind to Fi and hate the idea of it.

[Suz]

Watch the video I quoted for what he looks for in an atmosphere, what he takes note of, what he dismisses, the mischief in the expressions that he is hiding, how he is even making videos (brilliant imo lol), and so on. The words he uses are only props.

idk i didn't see any hidden mischief, and i'm not sure what you're referring to by what he looks for in an atmostphere/takes note of/dismisses. I did notice that his cam is pointing upward and the room is dark, but what's so amazing about that?

but i'm not 100% set on an SLI typing... like i said, he does seem ST club-like, so SLE would fall into that category.

[Suz]

Sorry. I dont mean to chain quote, lol, but this has been a long thought in process for some weeks. I strongly considered ISTj until I began watching his lovely antics more often, and then that video sealed it for me, lmao. Also, if you watch for content in the video, he lacks typical ( I suppose he could be atypical, but whatever) "J-ness" in how he organizes himself. He doesn't really seem to care, whether in either causal J or algorithmic style J way of other and self organization.

You dont have to apologize about chain quoting - it's easier to read individual posts than a huge multiquoted post. Quote me all you want , i'm not psycho like mercutio.

You're right, I agree with your observation on p vs j-ness...

[Kim]

ummmm... you're not SLE then. As Fi-POLRs, SLE's are blind to Fi and hate the idea of it.

No, they just feel insecure about it. Just like I feel insecure about Ti.

[Kim]

@Kim

Fe Quadra. T type. Extrovert. ESTp. Ez! Same Sociotype and Enneatype as Sting :] ESTp 6w7.

The divergence into the softer side of Sears (A corny American expression).

Yes, sounds good to me. Come on, the guy even looks SLE.

[mu4]

SLI

Si subtype

[InvisibleJim]

omg, this thread. My sides.

[wacey]

Thank-you for your candid reply Leger. I know it's not always easy (and in some cases wise) to share personal information online. I think it's in pretty safe company these days and I appreciate your honesty. I have highlighted words and phrases you have used that I believe reveals things about yourself. Keep in mind not every person would choose the same words as you have even if they had gone through similar circumstances and I believe word choice can often times reveal a persons attitudes towards people, places, memories, and events. It is well documented in psychological therapies that a person use of words can reveal a great deal about the perspectives of that person. For example, when asked how two middle aged women feel about thier mothers, both respond with similar answers, yet both use different words that may reveal either unconscious feelings towards their mothers, thoughts about themselves, or a core sense of identity, perhaps even a combination of all these factors.

The first women responds, "My mom is getting older and we can hardly care for her anymore like she would like, so I have decided to put her into a care home. She will be watched over by others who are more qualified then me and this is a huge burden removed from my shoulders. My Mother will be pleased with the care home, as it is a very costly facility. I think she won't be to unhappy there. We can visit each other whenever possible."

The second women, " My mom has aged and we need more assistance for her like she deserves, so I have decided to place her in a care home. She will be watched over by qualified people and given more care than I can provide which is a huge relief for me. My Mother will be pleased with the care home especially since it is a premium facility. I think she will be very happy there. We can visit each other as often as possible."

When working in therapy, counselors are looking for the feeling behind the content. All the bolded words are the hidden feelings that reveal attitudes, character, emotions, and history. Watch what happens when the previous statements have all the "feelings" removed.

My mom is a senior and I cannot care for her as she requires. I have decided to place her into a care home. She will be watched over by the care home workers. This will bring me a sense of relief. My mother might be happy there because the facility is costly (and thus the best). I think she will be happy there. We can visit.

Now, both women have said the same thing. It would be easy to make conclusions based solely on the information given such as the first women feels negatively towards her mother and the second positively. This might be the case and it may possibly not be the case as well. In terms of socionics we have to try and read between the lines of what a person is saying to try and find type. How does this person relate to the world? What are their desires? what are thier fears? What do they love about others? What do others love about them? And so on, so on forever actually, lol.

So when I read what you write, I am picking up on word choice, which is one clue about the underlining feeling. This reveals more to me then the actual content of your story.

Sounds like you were doing laundry in the background.

Yes.

Why do you not get along with your dad? Is it a long time thing, personality clash? Issues growing up?

We have differences in religious views. Due to his religious views just about everything I enjoy doing is a deadly sin(even though he does or has done just about all of those things). Also we had major problems until I was about 18. I won't go into it further, but ya, we had a lot of issues when I was young. As it stands now, we get along and I see him once every year or so. The huge gaps between visits helps keep conversations on a light track and it's easy to distract him from conversations in which a self-righteous lecture would form.

You work at a coffee shop? Is this what you want to be doing?

I no longer work at a coffee shop. I like working at coffee shops but it's not something one can make a living from, so no, I don't want to be a barista until I'm 50yo. If work is slow I'll pick up a second job(coffee shop, bar, etc). I'm a carpenter by trade and work is picking up. I have a semester of electives before I finish my associates degree, then I'll plant myself firmly into a sexy college and upgrade my degree to a BACH.

What do you want to be doing career wise?

A lot of things, which has always been my problem. I feel like I'm running out of time.

Where you ever in a long term relationship? How did you feel about her? What did you love about her? Why, do you think, it ended?

Yes, in one that I consider long-term. I felt comfortable with her. I loved her compassion and thoughtfulness, disliked her willful ignorance. It ended because she wanted to get married and have kids and I thought I was too young. She got married to and had kids shortly thereafter, then got a messy divorce.

Have you ever been in trouble with the law? In your videos you used derisive words to describe police, does your feelings come from a past encounter with them? What happened?

I dislike the police because of their immunity to responsibility. I'll get into more detail with this if necessary.

Why did you first look into socionics? What is interesting about this theory? Do you ever try to type people you meet IRL?

I took the MBTI im high school and have since been interested in typologies and other models(not just personality related).

Do you have friends that you have kept since childhood? How often do you visit them if you do?

Yes, and not often. I didn't like many of the people I knew from childhood. Most of the good ones moved far away, died or got married(kinda like dying).

What do you believe your sociotype to be?

I don't believe in sociotype, but I find myself spread out between several types(if we're talking about descriptions) and I don't see myself favoring functions, rather favoring one over another when I see it as necessary("situation dictates" blah blah) So far I doubt the value of typology in the way it's used on typology forums.

What do you think about me?

undecided.

differences in religious views,I enjoy doing is a deadly sin
huge gaps
distractself-righteous lecture
plant
A lot of things,
running out of time.
comfortable
married
messy divorce.
immunity to responsibility
good ones moved far away,
married(kinda like dying)


So out of these feelings I can just make some guesses about your attitudes that have helped shaped who you are today. 1. your Dad judges you. He doesn't approve of your life or the choices you have made. You judge him as well, perhaps in reaction to him and perhaps because of the way he treats your Mom. They may have possibly gotten divorced because you hold fairly disdainful feelings towards marriage that go beyond "I'm not ready for it". You may have experienced your parents divorce which to you felt like a kind of death and you do not wish to relive that pain yourself. Perhaps you feel that marriage might never be the thing for you which would be hard to reconcile because you actually do want to be planted somewhere firm. Perhaps relationship wise this firm ground you feel uneasy on. When it comes to how you will make a living this seems pretty clear to you, but you seem to be uneasy with the idea of settling here as well. You describe police having an immunity to responsibility, but I think that perhaps it is yourself that may think he has an immunity to responsibility, feelings that may have started with your own dad, who you have trouble respecting because his actions seem so hypocritical. This is in no way a condemnation, I have just learned that often times what we think about others is also what we think about ourselves. You unconsciously think about the distance and closeness of objects, people in relation to yourself. Words like gaps, moved far away, distract are examples of what I am talking about.

So you are a man who wants to be settled somewhere, but you don't know where yet and probably not in a relationship at this time. You have trouble with authority and have in the past and this may have started years ago with your own dad, who you feel doesn't understand you as the person you are and the choices you have made.

Personally man? I would say that despite all the blustering and window dressing that you put forward, I will say that at this time I do not envision you as being a true extroverted personality. As well, I suspect that Fi or Fe are valued information elements of yours. Valued as in not your ego block, buddy. I say OR because I think in some ways you are purposing to be unclear about your type. So whether you truly value the ethics of actions over the ethics of emotions remains to be seen......

So its kind of a toss up between SLE, or SLI imo, but I have yet to see real proof of Ti/ or Te so it's still a vague guess, sorry. I see a lot more questing about relationships and what not and that could be because most people are more interested in those sort of things anyway.

[lagerdemon]

Jim wat makes ur side hurt? did u eat 2 much mexican food???

[lagerdemon]

Idk many ppl who lack fe or fi enough 2 be considered one or de oder, but o well. In my readin's I see fi is like internal values, in sum cases forced onto oders like ******, in some cases held inside secretely like strong, silent cowboy man from movies? n maybe fe is like "starfall i want 2 give u babies, ur perfect fur me" but could be more like, "omg, jim, ur sidehuurts lemme make it bedder wit my caring n such", idk if maybe got rong idea bout dis, plz help?

Also, I don't actually talk like this irl, it's just that I met a man once who wrote really good poetry and ever since then I've been obsessed: http://reallygoodpoetry.tumblr.com/p...fe-is-vry-pain

[InvisibleJim]

Jim wat makes ur side hurt? did u eat 2 much mexican food???

'Obv looks SLE'. LSI, *no explanation*

etc. Every thread just gets better and better c:

Oh and this chocolate im eating.

[Kim]

'Obv looks SLE'. LSI, *no explanation*

etc. Every thread just gets better and better c:

Oh and this chocolate im eating.

To quote leger's preferred poet, life is vry pain

[InvisibleJim]

To quote leger's preferred poet, life is vry pain

man is a hunk and pome legen.

[lagerdemon]

differences in religious views,I enjoy doing is a deadly sin
huge gaps
distractself-righteous lecture
plant
A lot of things,
running out of time.
comfortable
married
messy divorce.
immunity to responsibility
good ones moved far away,
married(kinda like dying)


So out of these feelings I can just make some guesses about your attitudes that have helped shaped who you are today. 1. your Dad judges you. He doesn't approve of your life or the choices you have made. You judge him as well, perhaps in reaction to him and perhaps because of the way he treats your Mom. They may have possibly gotten divorced because you hold fairly disdainful feelings towards marriage that go beyond "I'm not ready for it". You may have experinced your parents divorce which to you felt like a kind of death and you do not wish to relive that pain yourself. Perhaps you feel that marriage might never be the thing for you which would be hard to reconcile because you actually do want to be planted somewhere firm. Perhaps relationship wise this firm ground you feel uneasy on. When it comes to how you will make a living this seems pretty clear to you, but you seem to be uneasy with the idea of settling here as well. You describe police having an immunity to responsibility, but I think that perhaps it is yourself that may think he has an immunity to responsibility, feelings that may have started with your own dad, who you have trouble respecting because his actions seem so hypocritical. This is in no way a condemnation, I have just learned that often times what we think about others is also what we think about ourselves. You unconsciously think about the distance and closeness of objects, people in relation to yourself. Words like gaps, moved far away, distract are examples of what I am talking about.

So you are a man who wants to be settled somewhere, but you don't know where yet and probably not in a relationship at this time. You have trouble with authority and have in the past and this may have started years ago with your own dad, who you feel doesn't understand you as the person you are and the choices you have made.

Yes, I agree that word choice can reveal more than the sentences themselves. I choose my words carefully at times, such as the post you quoted. I could easily say that I spend most of my life hating my parents and believing that people who marry too young are fucking stupid, but I did not. I rephrased before it left my brain and travelled to my fingertips. In the case of police being immune to responsibilty, what I meant is that cops are rarely punished appropriately when one shoots someone's pet or child, tasers some college kid who refuses to be silenced or some father who's trying to run into his burning home to save his kid, sexually assaults a mother and daughter on the side of the road looking for drugs, etc, etc. I'm not even sure when we started talking about cops, but no, I'm not projecting in that particular statement. I've done things wrong in the past and probably doing something wrong now and will do terrible, terrible things in the future but I alone am responsible for those actions and have no issue owning them.

I'm fine with settling or wandering around, but I'd prefer to wander around for awhile. Marriage would be fine, but I wouldn't do it just to be married. My desired career may not even start until after I'm long dead, and I'm fine with that so far, at this moment in time.

[wacey]

Nice, I was just making guesses and I'm glad you corrected them.

Cool, not much I want to add.

(So you are not always being facetious at all times which is nice to see)

[Satan]

Idk many ppl who lack fe or fi enough 2 be considered one or de oder, but o well. In my readin's I see fi is like internal values, in sum cases forced onto oders like ******, in some cases held inside secretely like strong, silent cowboy man from movies? n maybe fe is like "starfall i want 2 give u babies, ur perfect fur me" but could be more like, "omg, jim, ur sidehuurts lemme make it bedder wit my caring n such", idk if maybe got rong idea bout dis, plz help?

Also, I don't actually talk like this irl, it's just that I met a man once who wrote really good poetry and ever since then I've been obsessed: http://reallygoodpoetry.tumblr.com/p...fe-is-vry-pain

I think you probably have some kind of mental deficit. Have you smoked pot since before your teenage years?

[BlackholeRoad]

Idk many ppl who lack fe or fi enough 2 be considered one or de oder, but o well. In my readin's I see fi is like internal values, in sum cases forced onto oders like ******, in some cases held inside secretely like strong, silent cowboy man from movies? n maybe fe is like "starfall i want 2 give u babies, ur perfect fur me" but could be more like, "omg, jim, ur sidehuurts lemme make it bedder wit my caring n such", idk if maybe got rong idea bout dis, plz help?

Also, I don't actually talk like this irl, it's just that I met a man once who wrote really good poetry and ever since then I've been obsessed: http://reallygoodpoetry.tumblr.com/p...fe-is-vry-pain

Bolg is vry impres, much lerning abot b man, will folowng

Also, is that guy doge of shibe's original owner?

[lagerdemon]

Bolg is vry impres, much lerning abot b man, will folowng

Also, is that guy doge of shibe's original owner?

Good question, I wish I knew answer.

[blackburry]

Leger's straight up intro. ya'll crazy.

ISTx

[lagerdemon]

Me & leger may be dualz after all.


Let's have sex.

*takes off corset*
*bites lip sexily*

Leger's straight up intro. ya'll crazy.

ISTx

wats intro???

[lagerdemon]

OH, introvert, i thought it was some kinda gay slang, kewl. I wish it were dat simple.

[Suz]

OK well looks like the major opinions out there are:

SLE
LSI
SLI

Which is to be expected -- sometimes telling quasi's apart can be challengning from a distance. What is fairly clear is ST club, which would be beta/delta quadra. So at this point what needs to happen is Leger needs to figure out which quadra fits him best and break the tie for us. This doesn't mean which quadra you think has the most beautiful people (that would be beta obviously), but who you resonate with the most, which quadra values you relate to the most.

[lagerdemon]

OK well looks like the major opinions out there are:

SLE
LSI
SLI

Which is to be expected -- sometimes telling quasi's apart can be challengning from a distance. What is fairly clear is ST club, which would be beta/delta quadra. So at this point what needs to happen is Leger needs to figure out which quadra fits him best and break the tie for us. This doesn't mean which quadra you think has the most beautiful people (that would be beta obviously), but who you resonate with the most, which quadra values you relate to the most.

can we just do tritypes? Should I be deciding which one I like best based on some description or what? Descriptiosn are all lame and I agree with some parts of each description for all 16 types and disagree with other parts, so wat do i do???????????????? Idk, sometimes it feels like I'm all lost n shit, but then I remember god has a plan for all of us, even if plan seems real dumb.

[Suz]

can we just do tritypes? Should I be deciding which one I like best based on some description or what? Descriptiosn are all lame and I agree with some parts of each description for all 16 types and disagree with other parts, so wat do i do???????????????? Idk, sometimes it feels like I'm all lost n shit, but then I remember god has a plan for all of us, even if plan seems real dumb.

you're right the descriptions usually suck (best ones to refer to are the ones written by a person of the same type as the type you're reading about).

That's why i say try to figure out QUADRA. That will help you at least figure out if you're SLE/LSI or SLI. Try to get a gestalt sense, dont take everything literally. Also judge how well you fit in with people of the respective quadras on the forum. Who do you click with the best; where do you feel the most comfortable, the most welcomed.

[lagerdemon]

you're right the descriptions usually suck (best ones to refer to are the ones written by a person of the same type as the type you're reading about).

That's why i say try to figure out QUADRA. That will help you at least figure out if you're SLE/LSI or SLI. Try to get a gestalt sense, dont take everything literally. Also judge how well you fit in with people of the respective quadras on the forum. Who do you click with the best; where do you feel the most comfortable, the most welcomed.

I like ppl who aren't uptight and don't take stuff too seriously and don't have rigid views of world and get really aggressive and mean-spirited when challenged and don't take shit personally all the time, what types are those? It's a little too late for gestalt, I joined a socionics forum, lulz. neway.*deleted a few sentences about uselessness of intertype relationships when type is not known, but then I remembered algebra* Neway, trying to figure out quadras now, will report back later after things are done, have to do stuff first.

[blackburry]

I like ppl who aren't uptight and don't take stuff too seriously and don't have rigid views of world and get really aggressive and mean-spirited when challenged and don't take shit personally all the time, what types are those? It's a little too late for gestalt, I joined a socionics forum, lulz. neway.*deleted a few sentences about uselessness of intertype relationships when type is not known, but then I remembered algebra* Neway, trying to figure out quadras now, will report back later after things are done, have to do stuff first.

Oy. Now we've to rule out all of the quadras. Bc each is uptight about something, take something personal, mean spirited when challenged. Sorry bro.

[Kim]

I like ppl who aren't uptight and don't take stuff too seriously and don't have rigid views of world and get really aggressive and mean-spirited when challenged and don't take shit personally all the time, what types are those? It's a little too late for gestalt, I joined a socionics forum, lulz. neway.*deleted a few sentences about uselessness of intertype relationships when type is not known, but then I remembered algebra* Neway, trying to figure out quadras now, will report back later after things are done, have to do stuff first.

That would be Beta (rather than Delta).

Dude, I am working so hard on making you Starfall's dual, help me out here.

[lagerdemon]

Oy. Now we've to rule out all of the quadras. Bc each is uptight about something, take something personal, mean spirited when challenged. Sorry bro.

damn, bb, ur so wise n sage!*

*bean srs, i think ur on 2 sumthin

*like crop dust puppies =*[

'xactly

That would be Beta (rather than Delta).

Dude, I am working so hard on making you Starfall's dual, help me out here.

can I just pick out the stuff from here that I like? If I'm Starfall's duo will she like me more??? What if I change my mind, will she then h8 me???

Also, why does this have to be so difficult, can't I just take some tests or sumthin??

[blackburry]

Everyone likes you more when you're their dual.


Twisted fucks.

[lagerdemon]

Everyone likes you more when you're their dual.


Twisted fucks.

damn, that sucks. this is only forum in world where discrimination is encouraged ): wat about ghandi n mlk, n such?? it's almost as if they died

[Suz]

yes, I mistyped. Sorry. SLI.

Oh really? so you agree with me!

[Kim]

Oh really? so you agree with me!

I thought SLI, but the video seems SLE ...I don't know. Maybe every forum needs an untypable caste...

[Suz]

I thought SLI, but the video seems SLE ...I don't know. Maybe every forum needs an untypable caste...

no i think it's just that we can only go so far in typing someone with limited info, before the individual must figure one which one he is, himself.

fwiw, i didn't find anything that went against SLI in the video (though i know some ppl disagree with me). in fact, i didn't see any signs of Fe-HA which is usually a big clue i use in typing someone SLE/ILE..how that manifests to me is ridiculous/lame ways they try to act the clown to get laughs and if they dont get the laughs, they get all butthurt.

but again, the video is only one snippet of legerdemain's being, so hard to judge conclusively.

[nigh]

Now I vote LSI. It's just.. so much familiar LSI-ish feeeeelz alllll overrrrrrr ur beta sensing introoooooooooo

[SyrupDeGem]

Haha, typing threads can be hilarious.

Leger is introverted. I have never been privvy to seeing him be extroverted behaviourly in vent or tinychat, he takes excessive recharge time, all the clues are there. He's my dual, but I can share.