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    Quote Originally Posted by negern View Post
    The essence of our discussions are not relevant to the threads we are discussing in. The discussions we have lead nowhere of relevance to the subject.





    Perceived usefulness is subjective when it is done by a human.



    Source for the method is in the OP now.



    DCNH subtypes Creative subtype looks like that.
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-(translation)



    DCNH subtypes Creative subtype yet again.



    I can probably help you with checking the correlation with his ideas later, it is work I know...



    Please follow the instructions i mentioned this already, read them again if you need to.



    If you tested INTx that means you actually are IXXx so far. If you tested IXXx you diden't follow my instructions (abuse of unsure button).

    Now please leave room for others to reply in the thread before it becomes to much of a read. The discussion is over please don't start a new one just for the sake of discussing, you can do that in another thread or you can PM me.
    Honestly, I don't value your opinion enough or think highly enough of your understanding (or your general attitude) to take the trouble of continuing this conversation elsewhere. Nor have you answered my objections in a relevant or satisfactory manner. I'll just toss this in the "irreconcilable opinions" bin and move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    Honestly, I don't value your opinion enough or think highly enough of your understanding (or your general attitude) to take the trouble of continuing this conversation elsewhere. Nor have you answered my objections in a relevant or satisfactory manner. I'll just toss this in the "irreconcilable opinions" bin and move on.
    you don't have to be mean; a lot of "you" "you" "you" is just criticism
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    you don't have to be mean.
    I called him no names nor cast any aspersions on his moral character or intelligence. I merely chose not to soften my expression of my opinion toward him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    I called him no names nor cast any aspersions on his moral character or intelligence. I merely chose not to soften my expression of my opinion toward him.
    and you can't keep that to yourself?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    and you can't keep that to yourself?
    Why should I? I have no incentive to preserve his feelings in that matter. And we should probably take this elsewhere before he gets pissy, that is if you care enough about the discussion to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    Why should I? I have no incentive to preserve his feelings in that matter. And we should probably take this elsewhere before he gets pissy, that is if you care enough about the discussion to do so.
    He simply made a theory...like socionics is a theory...that utilizing two tests he can determine the self image of one's type; if that doesn't agree with your assessment of yourself, why not just say why it doesn't or ask for a clarification about the possibility of how that works instead of just making a hard and fast rule about what socionics is which you interpret to be based on IE and then close the door on him theory/idea?

    I see the above as being both aggressive and Ne devaluing.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    He simply made a theory...like socionics is a theory...that utilizing two tests he can determine the self image of one's type; if that doesn't agree with your assessment of yourself, why not just say why it doesn't or ask for a clarification about the possibility of how that works instead of just making a hard and fast rule about what socionics is which you interpret to be based on IE and then close the door on him theory/idea?
    Whether his reasoning is sound or not (which I don't consider it to be), it's rather pointless if he's applying it to a fairly shitty typing tool. I explained why it's a shitty typing tool. I also told him that his method did not work and why.

    I see the above as being both aggressive and Ne devaluing.
    I once told you I didn't think enough of your socionics understanding to take you seriously in matters like these. That still stands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    Honestly, I don't value your opinion enough or think highly enough of your understanding (or your general attitude) to take the trouble of continuing this conversation elsewhere.
    I don't care

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    Nor have you answered my objections in a relevant or satisfactory manner. I'll just toss this in the "irreconcilable opinions" bin and move on.
    1. Relevance:

    "In information science and information retrieval, relevance denotes how well a retrieved document or set of documents meets the information need of the user." in other words you need more information to take make a system like mine. I don't have to teach to how to make this system, it is difficult though.

    source:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevan...ion_retrieval)

    2. Satisfactory = Contentment
    "Contentment is the acknowledgement and satisfaction of reaching capacity. The level of capacity reached may be sought after, expected, desired, or simply predetermined as the level in which provides contentment."
    it is not expected of you to feel this way for now self explanatory reasons see point 1.

    sources:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satisfaction
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contentment

    Please do leave room.
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    @negern Having looked at the thread you linked, I assume that when you say "choose (yes button) what sounds the best", you actually mean that the person should choose that which they wish they could be (the "ideal"). At the moment, it just sounds like you're saying "choose which fits you the most". It could be a language barrier thing. Either way, you should probably fix that to make your instructions more clear. (This does not mean I support the reasoning behind your instructions or the tool you're using. I just think the former should have been communicated better.) It also wouldn't hurt to directly address your reasoning within the OP, even if you just copy and paste from the linked thread.
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