Biased? Can't be objective? Embrace it!

[Cuddly McFluffles]

You know exactly what I meant.

Not really, but I am open to hearing your explanation and would prefer to hear it rather than voice assumptions.

1. Usefulness is subjective.

Sometimes.

2. What you believe to correspond is subjective. If you can prove that it doesn't correspond post some sources, I can't take you for your word anymore.
3. It is not bad til you link the sources which supposedly "don't" correspond.

You aren't posting sources here either, just your opinion of what works. Why demand of me what you aren't doing yourself?

Dichotomies are not hard and fast rules. There are Rationals who seem more Irrational at first glance. (Rick DeLong has written on this, but I don't recall where exactly.) I am one of them. I resisted being typed Rational for months because I was stuck on dichotomies and temperament descriptions that told me I was Irrational rather than Rational. I didn't start considering Fi-base (EII at the time) until Rick himself put it forward during a type consultation. There are also introverted Extratims and extroverted Introtims, which Rick has written about on his blog. Getting caught up in the dichotomies at the expense of IM elements is a bad practice and can lead to mistypes. But even if you want to argue that they are useful in some circumstances, take Rick's description of the dichotomies and compare them to that test. Furthermore, certain questions on that XL questionnaire are overly simplistic; the true answers can be highly context-dependent. I can go in-depth if necessary, but I don't really feel like it at this moment. Exploring when it does or does not apply is far more constructive than simply saying "I do/don't do this" and assigning it to one side of a scale.

By the way, your method gives me INTx, which is incredibly inaccurate when you look at the IEs involved. I am neither Ti base nor Ni base.

[griggerplease]

Not really, but I am open to hearing your explanation and would prefer to hear it rather than voice assumptions.

The essence of our discussions are not relevant to the threads we are discussing in. The discussions we have lead nowhere of relevance to the subject.

Sometimes.

Perceived usefulness is subjective when it is done by a human.

You aren't posting sources here either, just your opinion of what works. Why demand of me what you aren't doing yourself?

Source for the method is in the OP now.

Dichotomies are not hard and fast rules. There are Rationals who seem more Irrational at first glance.

DCNH subtypes Creative subtype looks like that.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-(translation)

(Rick DeLong has written on this, but I don't recall where exactly.) I am one of them. I resisted being typed Rational for months because I was stuck on dichotomies and temperament descriptions that told me I was Irrational rather than Rational. I didn't start considering Fi-base (EII at the time) until Rick himself put it forward during a type consultation. There are also introverted Extratims and extroverted Introtims, which Rick has written about on his blog.

DCNH subtypes Creative subtype yet again.

Getting caught up in the dichotomies at the expense of IM elements is a bad practice and can lead to mistypes. But even if you want to argue that they are useful in some circumstances, take Rick's description of the dichotomies and compare them to that test.

I can probably help you with checking the correlation with his ideas later, it is work I know...

Furthermore, certain questions on that XL questionnaire are overly simplistic; the true answers can be highly context-dependent. I can go in-depth if necessary, but I don't really feel like it at this moment. Exploring when it does or does not apply is far more constructive than simply saying "I do/don't do this" and assigning it to one side of a scale.

Please follow the instructions i mentioned this already, read them again if you need to.

By the way, your method gives me INTx, which is incredibly inaccurate when you look at the IEs involved. I am neither Ti base nor Ni base.

If you tested INTx that means you actually are IXXx so far. If you tested IXXx you diden't follow my instructions (abuse of unsure button).

Now please leave room for others to reply in the thread before it becomes to much of a read. The discussion is over please don't start a new one just for the sake of discussing, you can do that in another thread or you can PM me.

Edit: You need to try the 4 question test if you are testing INTx on the 54 question one.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

The essence of our discussions are not relevant to the threads we are discussing in. The discussions we have lead nowhere of relevance to the subject.





Perceived usefulness is subjective when it is done by a human.



Source for the method is in the OP now.



DCNH subtypes Creative subtype looks like that.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-(translation)



DCNH subtypes Creative subtype yet again.



I can probably help you with checking the correlation with his ideas later, it is work I know...



Please follow the instructions i mentioned this already, read them again if you need to.



If you tested INTx that means you actually are IXXx so far. If you tested IXXx you diden't follow my instructions (abuse of unsure button).

Now please leave room for others to reply in the thread before it becomes to much of a read. The discussion is over please don't start a new one just for the sake of discussing, you can do that in another thread or you can PM me.

Honestly, I don't value your opinion enough or think highly enough of your understanding (or your general attitude) to take the trouble of continuing this conversation elsewhere. Nor have you answered my objections in a relevant or satisfactory manner. I'll just toss this in the "irreconcilable opinions" bin and move on.

[Beautiful sky]

Honestly, I don't value your opinion enough or think highly enough of your understanding (or your general attitude) to take the trouble of continuing this conversation elsewhere. Nor have you answered my objections in a relevant or satisfactory manner. I'll just toss this in the "irreconcilable opinions" bin and move on.

you don't have to be mean; a lot of "you" "you" "you" is just criticism

[Cuddly McFluffles]

you don't have to be mean.

I called him no names nor cast any aspersions on his moral character or intelligence. I merely chose not to soften my expression of my opinion toward him.

[Beautiful sky]

I called him no names nor cast any aspersions on his moral character or intelligence. I merely chose not to soften my expression of my opinion toward him.

and you can't keep that to yourself?

[Cuddly McFluffles]

and you can't keep that to yourself?

Why should I? I have no incentive to preserve his feelings in that matter. And we should probably take this elsewhere before he gets pissy, that is if you care enough about the discussion to do so.

[griggerplease]

Honestly, I don't value your opinion enough or think highly enough of your understanding (or your general attitude) to take the trouble of continuing this conversation elsewhere.

I don't care

Nor have you answered my objections in a relevant or satisfactory manner. I'll just toss this in the "irreconcilable opinions" bin and move on.

1. Relevance:

"In information science and information retrieval, relevance denotes how well a retrieved document or set of documents meets the information need of the user." in other words you need more information to take make a system like mine. I don't have to teach to how to make this system, it is difficult though.

source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevan...ion_retrieval)

2. Satisfactory = Contentment
"Contentment is the acknowledgement and satisfaction of reaching capacity. The level of capacity reached may be sought after, expected, desired, or simply predetermined as the level in which provides contentment."
it is not expected of you to feel this way for now self explanatory reasons see point 1.

sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satisfaction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contentment

Please do leave room.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

@negern Having looked at the thread you linked, I assume that when you say "choose (yes button) what sounds the best", you actually mean that the person should choose that which they wish they could be (the "ideal"). At the moment, it just sounds like you're saying "choose which fits you the most". It could be a language barrier thing. Either way, you should probably fix that to make your instructions more clear. (This does not mean I support the reasoning behind your instructions or the tool you're using. I just think the former should have been communicated better.) It also wouldn't hurt to directly address your reasoning within the OP, even if you just copy and paste from the linked thread.