Eh shutup.Originally Posted by Aquagraph
Eh shutup.
I criticize your unoriginal one-liners and you give me one. It's like when you say muslims are aggressive, they start rioting aggressively. Congrats on your 100th post.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
Moslems are aggressive...
Just ride in a neighbourhood and get your face fisted.
Wonder what kind of equality are you going support yourself with in the process.
"Hey bro, make me a sandwich?"
LUL. Wonder how old you are.
Last edited by Absurd; 06-19-2013 at 07:23 PM.
Your post bored me.
I'm sad that the "Fuck Everything" youtube video did not work for me. He looked like Jamie Kennedy from Malibu's Most Wanted so I willing to give it a view. bummty bum bum.
Stop following me around, bb
If we can prove muslims are aggressive, regardless of the flimsiness of the evidence, can I get into a government sponsored program to be more aggressive to balance out the aggressiveness ratio between different cultures? Maybe that program would only apply to black folks, or chinese folks or white women?
Hahaha!If we can prove muslims are aggressive, regardless of the flimsiness of the evidence, can I get into a government sponsored program to be more aggressive to balance out the aggressiveness ratio between different cultures? Maybe that program would only apply to black folks, or chinese folks or white women?
This way you can prove no one is aggressive and aggressiveness whatever that means to every single one yous doesn't really exist. There is no issue.
"Abusive husbands" don't exist either. I don't know know what these feminists(?) are talking about...
Can be the abusive wives as well, but hey, they're not aggressive at all, depending on "culture" of course...
Few times I've seen you talk about this real world, Jim. Wonder what did you mean by that.
Wonder whether you got your teeth kicked in and started gulping blood, would you ask for more evidence? And no, I don't allude to victim Socionics culture wanting to experience more.
Last edited by Absurd; 06-19-2013 at 08:34 PM.
Problem solved!
*wipes hands*
No offence mate, bro, man and heh like that but I'm going to ask for more evidence to support your claim here. I'm not asking you to go out of your safe haven whatever it is, but one of your friends might get stabbed right in front of your eyes.
You're going to pretend nothing happened?
If that's the case, we hail from pretty different worlds.
Last edited by Absurd; 06-19-2013 at 09:17 PM.
Well I'm sorry you feel that way Absurd, I'll have you know that by making everyone equally worse off we have saved the world. Next we will save Socionics. Stop being so obstinate.
LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUL.
I just sprayed my monitor with beer.
When the social norm is for 9 year olds being dressed like sluts by their slut mothers, and getting fucked on camera for 50 bucks is a pretty common thing, and porn is rampant while 99% of males indulge in it weekly... you have the greatest source of degradation / objectification toward women, and of social detachment... especially detachment between the genders... Obviously warping peoples psychology and the definition of a relationship... This I've seen feminists and pornstars call a 'liberation for taking control of their own body.'. Nothing could be more ironic...
My problem is not with the real feminist issues, it's more I just realize how hopelessly moronic people are, and any self identified 'feminist' movement, however rational, ultimately becomes drowned out by irrational, hysterical nutcases... this has already happened in a large part. Feminists will want to wipe men off the planet before it's all over. If you self identify as a feminist, and you are primarily concerned about real issues like the rape of servicewomen, or whatever else.. the legitimate issues, then I think focusing on the issues and finding ways to overcome them is enough. It would be enough to have an 'anti servicewoman rape movement'. Why generalize it to feminism altogether? I don't see any reason to be more opposed to servicewomen being raped as I do to african fishing villages being raped by shell and an 100 square mile landscape being covered in unrefined crude oil sludge, destroying the biosphere and pouring into the ocean. These days the culture is backsliding into a gender identity disorder. That feminist identity becomes an way to glorify / victimize all these daddy issues.
There is just zero chance that the masses could have the discrimination to judge what is healthy feminism and what is really a degradation to society.
I have seen too many porn stars in interviews talk about how they're now an empowered feminist taking back their free sexuality from the male suppressors....what a fucking joke. I wonder if they give a fuck about all the little girls being born into this madness. Or if they've even realize how their behavior influences the future generations... it's already hard enough for girls to grow up. They already feel so fucking objectified and judged. How are they going to avoid being a generation of mental cases?. How will that blonde bimbo ever understand what real feminism is? She is too fucking busy sniffing her own pussy.. she isn't capable..
Every fucking social identity just becomes another fraudulent excuse to play the victim and avoid the fucking social obligations.
Everything about men / women relationships has become an objectification, there aren't real connections between people that I know about. Hell, 90 percent of people are afraid to look me in the eye during a conversation. The culture is just fucked, they are too stupid to realize it and call it 'progress'....
Last edited by rat1; 06-19-2013 at 09:49 PM.
Plenty of feminists are against porn because they consider it an objectification of women. As has been said before, there is no "feminist." Different strands of feminists have different viewpoints, so saying "feminists are xyz" is not very productive, really.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
Well, looks like "feminists" on this site aren't feminists even when they wear a skirt (Aqua).
Traditional romance is indirectly an anti-feminist notion. The gentleman who does nice things so that the woman has a lower workload like carrying her, buying her nice things, opening the door for her and all that jazz... It does a non-equal thing where the man gets the pleasure of making the woman feel special and significant by doing a little bit of the extra work. This is where I don't know about feminism. I mean if feminism is rooted to equal rights between man and woman legally alone it's all cool but when it becomes an 'everybody treats everybody else equally' thing it will be thrown in so many directions. As long as the straight people are the majority, romance is always going to play in between those straight couples and if that happens the divide will naturally keep playing in. Like advice from the lads and ladies.
Now we can change the way romance is traditionally. Men can cut out chivalry or give half of the chivalry to women...
half of that,
and then half of that
The minds need to change. We can direct people to a certain personality but personalities are always throwing themselves here and there and in the funniest ways so it's not necessarily easy to do.
You've got to enforce an 'every individual is different' movement that actually works. That in itself would remove feminism from two points of view. Stereotypes and generalisations wouldn't exist in preconceiving another individual's character so feminism couldn't have any particular prejudice and... feminists wouldn't recognise themselves as a group as groups are no longer distinguished as a character conceiving anyway.
This of course, would take a lot of time.
just like war or abortion or the use of mind-altering substances, sex as a commodity isn't going to just go away just because some people want it to. most of the time, women involved in commercial sex don't have a choice. i think its better if they do. if i genuinely wanted to sell my body, then i wouldn't want to be told i was degrading myself by doing something that made me happy.
If you mean porn for commercial sex, these women do OK for themselves
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...new-study.html
And plenty of feminists are also for porn and actually do porn for a living. My point is that the word itself, feminist, is illusory and counter productive. Call yourself a service woman rape activist, if that's your specific issue. What does the word feminism even mean? Nutcases have taken the identity and ran with it. You say it means different things for different people. Well it means exactly whatever a person is protesting. If I was protesting fracking, I would be a fracking protestor. WTF is feminism? Can anyone give me a clear definition? That way I can determine, once and for all, whether jenna jameson is a feminist. And I can tell her, if I ever see her in a crowd, "you're not a feminist, bitch'
If you are going to tell me you're a feminist, you should at least be able to say exactly what that means.
You always have a choice, and regardless of what you 'want to hear', the reality is you're degrading not really your body (at least that's not my train of thought), but the minds of the men who are watching you, the male female relationship itself, the social expectations put on all women, and the standards that the next generation of girls will be struggling with during the adolescent years. And I'm well aware this isn't going to go away. Like anything, it will continue as society and the biosphere continue to degrade, and nothing will change.
In my industry women are heavily underrepresented and there is a big stigma against women in the industry with a lot of workplace misogyny and bigotry. There are women that do advanced within the industry but it takes a tough skin to get past all the nastiness that can occur. Also pay comparison usually compare exactly the same job with similar experience. So same job, same experience, different gender results in women getting paid less. Career growth and child birth is usually not a factor in the studies.
I actually read an interesting article once that said a major reason women don't get paid as much as men is because that's not as high a priority for them. That, in general, women are more likely to factor in concerns for how well they get along with their boss, and other factors of comfort, etc., and men tend to ignore those issues and factor in the paycheck more highly. (IE: a woman might stay in a job that pays $40,000, where she gets along really well with her coworkers, over taking a position that pays $45,000, where she didn't like her boss in the interview; but men would be more likely to take the pay increase.)
Another reason to consider is that many women take maternity leave and/or become stay-at-home mothers completely, so their career growth gets stalled/halted, and this lack of consistent growth results in lower performance/earnings compared to people who are more consistent on average, in this case men.
So yes, I always thought the issue of equal pay seemed a bit silly imho. You have female billionaires like Sara Blakely, a self-made billionaire who's only 42 years old. So you have opportunities to grow just like anybody else. It's unfortunate fewer women seem to pursue those opportunities.
It's not as bad as what West Point females have to deal with.
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...cle1267906.ece
Maternity is certainly something that makes women have less earning power than men, but this is something that is necessary for human survival. To punish women for perpetuating human survival and to limit their possible independence is important. Women didn't exactly choose to be the carriers of babies, they just got the side effect of evolution and there is often a primal drive to reproduce. The thing is that men need women and women need men and there is a negotiation that occurs which should try to achieve equality. It's impossible to say that men and women are equal completely, but men and women can enjoy equal rights, opportunity and ability to be independent.
Social equity is not formed naturally, but rather from the negotiation of social participants. What has happened in the past is often the use of force to keep minorities, gender or otherwise in captivity with the fear of their own survival for the purpose of exploitation. Modern society has solved many of these problems, but it is imperfect and will likely never be perfect. However, this doesn't mean the negotiation and discussion stops, it simply changes.
Women, men, minority and all individuals in today's modern societies have bargaining power, and it's their right to negotiate based on their bargaining power for fair and equitable pay, rights, opportunity. Men certainly have their share of complains and have never had any problems complaining about it.
Women have always been the biggest and most exploited minority, because often irregardless of culture, race, ethnicity, they were exploited. This systematic exploitation and it's aftereffects still remain today and is unlikely to disappear completely. How to solve these aftereffects is actually quite a important task, one which will also benefit culture such as Pakistan eventually, should they choose a path of modernization.
The thing is that it's relatively easy to solve some problems, but there are harder problems which remain unsolved, and festering, all which can snowball into oppression and exploitation.
It's not like there haven't been tolerant societies in the past, but it seems that history keeps finding ways to turn great cultures into a world of brutality.
what i had in mind wasn't so much future degradation as historical precedence. theres always been prostitution but most women today "don't have a choice" because they're kidnapped or trapped into it with violence. so for a woman to have a foothold in the industry instead of being a slave to it, i can see the empowerment. i still don't see porn as being particularly empowering in general since from what i've heard a lot of women in the industry were abused and have drug problems and whatnot. (still have to check out words link.) and yeah the way sex as a commodity is becoming more and more public isn't good for the next generation, i agree.
i've debated with myself whether i should identify as a feminist for the reasons you've brought up. i'm stubborn because for one i think the specific issues i'm concerned with do tend to tie back into one overriding root issue, which is patriarchy (lol another buzzword that catches a lot of shit but i don't feel like sugar coating it). and for two i don't want to cater to other peoples wrong perceptions. its like buying designer jeans cuz the school bullies made fun of you for wearing wrangler lol. fuck em.
@lungs have you seen the trailer for the film: Eden?
It looks pretty interesting, I mean the storyline's been done so many times, but basically the plot is about human trafficking in the US; and of a particular woman who decided to join the ring rather than be killed.
Umm.. Why are you watching porn star interviews?
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
We can vote, don't have to hide our faces, have the option of getting jobs outside the home, and don't have to do everything official through a man.
That's good enough for me. Nowadays sexism and racism are just reasons to hire people for tax breaks and bragging rights instead of for their skills.
People who put women above men aren't improving women's station in the world; they're diminishing men's.
Practical as always.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
You're random.
It just happened to catch my attention. I'd rather avoid the derail.
Or seeming that I look aimed for an ad hominem.
However, it did get me curious.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
i would think porn stars would have more interesting stories to tell than a lot of famous bastards who get interviewed.It just happened to catch my attention. I'd rather avoid the derail.
Or seeming that I look aimed for an ad hominem.
However, it did get me curious.
what the fuck.
1. it never said she actually did wear a strap-on. just that she was described that way. it was the joke.
2. the joke was motivated by their perception that she was stepping outside of gender roles.
3. even if she did wear a strap-on in private how is that asking to be disrespected?
I am very sure that women desire leadership positions to the same extent as men do, but we are not socialized to be aggressive. In my field, women often make less money because they don't negotiate as aggressively as men.
No offense, but the gender stereotypes you perpetuate make things a lot more difficult for women. As long as we continue to talk about men and women in terms of protector/protected, aggressive/non-aggressive, it becomes very hard for women AND men to do what they truly want. I was very lucky to meet a man who would gladly stay home as the house-husband should the need arise and who does not feel threatened because I make more money than he does. It is mind-blowing how many men would feel "emasculated" by this. My brother-in-law went on paternity leave with both kids and it raised eyebrows.
My personal brand of feminism means that we do away with these redundant and archaic stereotypes. You can have a preference for women who you can protect and who will run the household, but it's YOUR preference, not "the way it is meant to be." If that is what you want and you find a woman who wants that, too, all power to you. But don't assume that your way is the way gender naturally plays out. If a man wants to wear a skirt or a woman wants to be the breadwinner or what have you, we should let them without constantly regurgitating gender stereotypes of what is "masculine" and what is "feminine."
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
Which bastards?
that doesn't address what i said.
i don't remember saying anything in particular about any of them being "girly," no. and even if i had it was a completely different context in which it was a pattern of behavior engaged in as a group in conjunction with a high rate of sexual assault reports and and instructor who allegedly filmed women in the bathroom. come on.
William, shut up now. You know jack shit, and your rationalizations are sickening.
edit: Referring primarily to this "why should pay be equal? Where is the assumption being made that compensation needs to be equal, if perhaps women don't even care about compensation as strongly as men?" and your earlier comments and justifications.
Let me try to explain, there are how many women billionaires....
And how many men billionaires?
I came from a country has vastly bigger woman's right issues than the west, but it doesn't mean that these problems don't exist. Ultimately, you're bringing up examples of women that have bucked the social and cultural legacy that they inherited in a civilization that hasn't even allowed women to vote for a century. So 90 years of basic rights for women is not going to cure it, and this is compounded by the lack of basic rights for women of color which was addressed 50ish years ago.
The fact that women have made it this far shows how talented and capable people are when given basic rights and freed from oppression. Those rights and any current inequities are still worthwhile to consider and cure.
I think currently the world is experiencing unprecedented transitions which creates problems prior societies have never conceived of, modern societies have different problems all of which can turn modern societies into primitive ones. First world problems are certainly of less existential concern to individuals than famine and the brutality that occurs in many unstable societies, but that doesn't mean they're any easier to solve.
As far as hiring women and maternity leave, I have zero problems hiring women because they tend to have less of a ego and do the work in a more conscientious fashion. Maternity leave is a much smaller issues vs the ego clashes men engage in. Women have never "worked" less then men, they just worked tasks which trapped them in dependence on men and the wealth or security provided.
The fact that you would break the law and discriminate against women(because by considering maternity law in the hiring process, there is a conscious act of discrimination), you are perpetuating a problem which will continue to existence. Businesses and men want to make selfish choices, keeping a female enslaved, cooking and cleaning makes sense for men, and that's the choice that was made for many women for thousands of years, but it is simply not just. What makes business sense sometimes is simply injust and inhumane, don't do it.
William, you misunderstood me. My point was that it is harder for women to be aggressive because we are socialized differently. It's a hurdle and it's not as easy to "just do it."
And you have talked about your desire to be a protector and caretaker for a woman in the past and it sounded like that is what you perceive your gender role to be. That's what I meant by perpetuating stereotypes.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
Actually it kind of is as easy as 'just do it'.
Continue your rationalisations. I find it funny that its not allowed to actually think about problems without raging QQ an butthurt. You've got to feel them. Like a feminist. But hey, no gender roles from these folks William: They are equalitarian social ascendants.
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