Political Picture Thread

[Aquagraph]

It matters a lot in a democratic society how you vote, who is in power and what policies get set, because things like Supreme Court Justices, laws, legislation and many other policies are still very relevant

Let's say I'm an American and I wanted to vote for:
-a person who isn't affiliated with Skulls And Bones, the secret society in the second round of 2004 US presidential election
-a president who will not bomb brown people
-a president who will leave us the fuck alone
-a president who will not bailout the banks
who should I vote for?

[mu4]

Let's say I'm an American and I wanted to vote for:
-a person who isn't affiliated with Skulls And Bones, the secret society in the second round of 2004 US presidential election
-a president who will not bomb brown people
-a president who will leave us the fuck alone
-a president who will not bailout the banks
who should I vote for?

I voted for Obama 2008 and 2012, better than voting for Romney or Mccain.

I don't need everything perfect either. Contrary to popular belief, a President can't stop a war he didn't start with a wave of his hand and some hocus-pocus. And congress can block his way to repealing things like Guantanamo.

I don't demonize a individual because of the failing of the system nor do I demonize them because they are simply someone I don't agree with them. I voted Obama because of decisions like Sotomayor, universal health care, the promise to eventually end the wars(which is happening), and the promise to try and close Guantanamo, which is being blocked by congress. I see some progress on these issues and it's better than what would have happened with the alternative. The rest, I never had any illusions it was going to work out in the first place. I take the small victories where I can.

If Obama fails this go around, there's going to be another election and another group of people put in charge and another set of promises and goals and I will see who is going to promote my issues and who is going to be against that. And you do this until you don't or the unity is irrevocably broken or you are broken. I never had any illusions of the politicians fulfilling a fraction of the promises they say, but I do judge people on the attempt, their overall goals and other such traits.

I can't tell you who you can vote for, that's your individual choice, you can vote for no one, but I'm sick of not being represented even in a few of my interests.

The fact remains that you engage in propaganda, trying to tell people what to do, how to vote or not vote, to sway them into your side with your own set of lies and misrepresentations. You make for a pretty good politician. You're a liar, a propagandist, someone more than willing to use emotional appeals and simplifications to get what you want from people.

I don't really believe in good or evil, but voting has always been about picking the individuals that best represent me, and it's worked out quite a bit better than picking the one that doesn't represent me.

There is good and bad in everything, I don't pretend there isn't, I don't choose just the lesser evil, but also the greater good, and although you might disagree, it's my prerogative.

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I don't need everything perfect either. Contrary to popular belief, a President can't stop a war he didn't start with a wave of his hand and some hocus-pocus. And congress can block his way to repealing things like Guantanamo.

And you actually listened to his promises!

[...]the promise to eventually end the wars(which is happening),[...]

Yeah, after he sends some more troops. PEACE IS WAR!

I see some progress on these issues and it's better than what would have happened with the alternative. The rest, I never had any illusions it was going to work out in the first place. I take the small victories where I can.

What a bitch mentality! Democracy loves you. It's like you can choose which cock rapes your ass. How nice of them!

If Obama fails this go around, there's going to be another election and another group of people put in charge and another set of promises and goals and I will see who is going to promote my issues and who is going to be against that. And you do this until you don't or the unity is irrevocably broken or you are broken. I never had any illusions of the politicians fulfilling a fraction of the promises they say, but I do judge people on the attempt, their overall goals and other such traits.

It's good that you are satisfied with promises. You ain't getting a lot more than that.

The fact remains that you engage in propaganda, trying to tell people what to do, how to vote or not vote, to sway them into your side with your own set of lies and misrepresentations. You make for a pretty good politician. You're a liar, a propagandist, someone more than willing to use emotional appeals and simplifications to get what you want from people.

Thank you, but I must add that I couldn't do it without people like you.

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And you actually listened to his promises!

I don't listen to promises, I don't believe in promises either. But it's better than someone promising to fuck me over. ^_^ At least I can pressure someone to keep promises that they gave, even if it doesn't happen immediately. Someone that doesn't make the promise I have no way of pressuring them.

Yeah, after he sends some more troops. PEACE IS WAR!

And yet, most troops are out... hrmmmm..

What a bitch mentality! Democracy loves you. It's like you can choose which cock rapes your ass. How nice of them!
It's good that you are satisfied with promises. You ain't getting a lot more than that.
Thank you, but I must add that I couldn't do it without people like you.

I don't live to be satisfied or to get promises fulfilled, I think that's a stupid way to live. I simply do what I deem worthwhile and push my agenda, one step at a time. I don't need democracy but I prefer it to the totalitarian system that I come from, I like the freedom offered by the democratic first world and the wealth and prosperity that I encounter and is able to acquire. Despite all it's problems democratic society is the only sort of society I feel I will live in or would want to live in. I've seen the other side, people I know suppressed imprisoned and hurt. The west has a good thing, this democracy thing, but it's something that works for people that want it and can steward it properly.

Unfortunately, you don't seem to be that sort of person yet, I don't know how you will turn out, but I hope you learn something, maybe get past the juvenile propaganda worthy of despots but maybe that's not your goal.

Well I'm glad you're able to express your views without suppression and I'm allowed to express mine without suppression, given that in many places my defense and preference for democracy would involve me being tortured or killed and many other brutalities, maybe by someone who thinks like you.

I don't like cocks up my ass, you might. I do like taking people out to dinner for mutual companionship, conversation and discussion. I like that, that sort of mutual exchange of information that is quite pleasant and wonderful sometimes, and other times a bit painful and confrontational. Still it's something I like to have and something I like to have with the people who are supposed to govern this nation. But I'm pretty old now and I only like to take some people to dinner, and other people don't get the invite.

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I don't listen to promises, I don't believe in promises either.

I see...

I voted Obama because of decisions like Sotomayor, universal health care, the promise to eventually end the wars(which is happening), and the promise to try and close Guantanamo, which is being blocked by congress.

You don't believe in promises, you don't listen to promises, but you vote based on them. Right..

Someone that doesn't make the promise I have no way of pressuring them.

So, tell me how can you pressure candidates? Maybe if you post something nasty on your Facebook they will reconsider their doings. Or wait, vote for a lesser evil! That'll show 'em! Those strategies could work..

I don't live to be satisfied or to get promises fulfilled, I think that's a stupid way to live.

..but apparently you "don't live to" be satisfied by those politicians or get their promises through.

Unfortunately, you don't seem to be that sort of person yet, I don't know how you will turn out, but I hope you learn something, maybe get past the juvenile propaganda worthy of despots but maybe that's not your goal.

Well I'm glad you're able to express your views without suppression and I'm allowed to express mine without suppression, given that in many places my defense and preference for democracy would involve me being tortured or killed and many other brutalities, maybe by someone who thinks like you.

So.. how do I think? I kinda thought I was big on the non-aggression principle thing but maybe you know me better.

I think I'm about done here. Sorry for the derail.

[mu4]

I see...

You don't believe in promises, you don't listen to promises, but you vote based on them. Right..

Not really, but writing your legislator and making a petition is not bad, it takes a concerted effort over a long time to do this sort of thing. Maybe I'll make some silly political pictures or something.

So, tell me how can you pressure candidates? Maybe if you post something nasty on your Facebook they will reconsider their doings. Or wait, vote for a lesser evil! That'll show 'em! Those strategies could work..
..but apparently you "don't live to" be satisfied by those politicians or get their promises through.
So.. how do I think? I kinda thought I was big on the non-aggression principle thing but maybe you know me better.

I think I'm about done here. Sorry for the derail.

I don't need to be nasty on facebook. I can vote, I can write and I can petition. I don't vote for the lesser evil, I don't vote for people I consider evil. I only vote for people I see as more good than bad, and everyone has bad things about them. I also won't vote for people who will outright promise to do thing 100% against what I believe.

Better to have someone give me empty promises then try to do exactly what I don't want.

I don't listen to promises, or believe in them, but promises give me a idea of what they might try and implement. See past the hot air and empty promises and see the real actions they might take. I try to see the underlying policy and issues they will bring forth and promote in the legislature or some other body of governance.

You want to cast my viewpoint into cheap slogans and a funny picture, it'll probably get you some cool points or what not, but a know nothing, do nothing, disenfranchising mentality is a stupid one to promote, no matter how much money you can make huckstering bitcoin or appealing to fear and despair.

[Absurd]

Great party.

1. Discuss politics,

2. Compare your opponent to ******,

3. Say he likes cocks,

4. Win.

[Pa3s]

The fact remains that you engage in propaganda, trying to tell people what to do, how to vote or not vote, to sway them into your side with your own set of lies and misrepresentations.

In the end, everyone is free to choose the lies they believe in.

[mu4]

In the end, everyone is free to choose the lies they believe in.

I like to be able to choose the lies I believe in and voice them without being tortured or killed. I think that's the big difference. It's a little thing, but means quite a bit to me.