volatility / groundedness
do you consider these traits type related? in what way?
(the reason i ask is because being "too grounded & down to earth" is one of the more common arguments people have against me being esi or 6. which strikes me as odd. but i want higher level responses, not about me in particular.)
How is being grounded and down to earth an opposing argument for an ESI typing? Anyway from my POV you seem rather volatile
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
no it's not because emotional reactions especially from those who are emotionally immature can cause someone of any type to behave irrationally; there's no excuse for someone who does not realize the very obvious signs of having hurt someone, like having made the other person cry from them behaving badly towards the one crying. anyone can react badly based on their maturity
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Neurosis isn't factored into Jungian psychology.
Nope. Not in the modern definition and we don't speak ye olde german.Originally Posted by Radio
Neither the F, N, T or S axis have a parallel Neuroticism axis which would identify how likely an individual is to appear to be behaving outside of social norms. Nor is there a Neuroticism axis (which when tested in big 5 was unrelated to MBTI or Socionics type).
Yeah, as long as "neuroses", as defined by Jung and (presumably Freud) are symptomatic of (to paraphrase) a long term imbalance of psychological preferences, marked by a relative absence of subconscious contents reaching consciousness. The unconscious mind was called into question, and standards for neuroses now rest more on social expectations. Consequentially, some people look to typology for a means of justifying behavior that's perceived as odd. Jung's definition of neurosis could apply to any upstanding citizen. Hell, their monetary/social excess could actually arise from neurosis.
Different schools of thought. etc. I honestly don't see the idea of an "unconscious mind" ever fading away, though it may come in different forms as it evolves to suit the times.
Last edited by RedBeard; 05-21-2013 at 04:24 AM.
The trickster is at one and the same time creator and destroyer, giver and negator, he who dupes others, and who is always duped himself.
That's enneagram you're thinking of.
I gotta say, for better or for worse, the harshness of the enneagram is like a big "Fuck You" to the Forer Effect.That's enneagram you're thinking of.
The trickster is at one and the same time creator and destroyer, giver and negator, he who dupes others, and who is always duped himself.
I love it so much. <3 A lot of people can do the same thing, but for totally different reasons. When you dig into enneagram, it's just so negative and focuses on ONE flaw so heavily that your entire life pretty much revolves around it....mmph. Enneagram has probably been the best system for me when it comes to describing behavior just because it talks about motivation without actually addressing actions most of the time.
If anything, I would relate that to instinct stackings. Although even then I wouldn't say its directly correlated. Also, I would suggest to ignore anyone's opinion on Enneagram who told you that as they clearly don't know what they are talking about.
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" isand not
I don't know why someone would say that about you. You seem reactive enough to me though not in an out of control way.
Is lack of groundedness an ESI thing? That sounds kinda stupid to me. If it's true, I'm not an ESI either.
I think 6s might seek out routine and stability to deal with the uncertainty and anxiety buzzing around in their heads, maybe. I can't really think of another explanation, particularly since they are given archetype names like the Defender and what not. Defender sounds pretty damn grounded to me.
I kind of think of E6 as the most suggestible type, like their sense of reality is so constantly changing that they feel the need to pin it down by hand/manually. If you keep questioning everything, you eventually get to a point where nothing seems real and no one is worth believing in, which I think is (a highly exaggerated example of) the sort of uncertainty E6s suffer from. I notice E6s often project an image of confidence and being self-assured that's not necessarily mirrored internally (see: DJArendee) which might be a coping mechanism to reinforce where they stand, so to say. They might superficially seem "grounded", but they're also the easiest to set off-track.
This is interesting, and I think the answer may lie in the fact that sometimes it is conflicts between mbti or socionics type, and e-type (a self-confident mbti type combined with a doubting e-type). I also think I may seem self-confident because I've ridden myself so hard to gain confidence that I can find the answers when I need them. Over time, I've convinced myself that it's true with experience. I don't necessarily know what the answers are at that time, but I think I can find them. I suppose that IS true self-confidence. I don't think six'ness necessarily suggests a lack of self-confidence, or lack of confidence in an answer/judgment, or lack of self-assuredness.
Sometimes I pretend I'm going along with people when mentally, I'm really not. It's just to gain observations and/or try a different way, or it can be a 9'ish tendency to just go with the flow of the conversation, I think, and/or to be supportive. I wouldn't necessarily call it being "set off-track"..... I have sets of beliefs/choices/actions that I've created myself over the years that won't be changed by any circumstance, more than likely. Experiences have gained me a lot more certainties concerning what to choose, philosophies that work, and how to live my life. I can be very doubting, especially when met with new situations/material, but once I've made my judgments, they don't really change unless presented with new information, which I then integrate into what I currently know to be.
Last edited by jet city woman; 05-21-2013 at 10:53 AM.
No.
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is
Don't get too constructive, now. There's only so much room for that.
The trickster is at one and the same time creator and destroyer, giver and negator, he who dupes others, and who is always duped himself.
so its just flat out wrong - okay
it mostly comes up with people comparing me to blackburry. and whether or not i'm actually "grounded"... whatever
(i'm trying to hold my tongue and not make it about me in particular; maybe if the thread devolves it will end up there but these are good responses)
Anyone compared to bb is going to seem more grounded.so its just flat out wrong - okay
it mostly comes up with people comparing me to blackburry. and whether or not i'm actually "grounded"... whatever
(i'm trying to hold my tongue and not make it about me in particular; maybe if the thread devolves it will end up there but these are good responses)
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is
For the record, I think blackburry is ESFp
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
nah i think she's se-isfj.
i keep wondering if this is passive aggressive or could be perceived that way so for the sake of full disclosure i'll mention @Finale and @jetcitywoman.
also it was @blackburry who mentioned the enneagram thing as an explanation for our differences (she thinks i'm a 4)
4 is a rather silly suggestion for you imo, and to suggest that 4s are more grounded than 6s is even sillier.
If you're referring to whether what you're doing is passive aggressive than you're Ij temp; you're going to be passive aggressive. It's ok
IDK if this topic is passive aggressive.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Not type related, more to do with one's astrological sign. Isn't your main sign an earth sign?
Btw lungs I think you are enneatype 5, not 6.
Lol, lungs, it's all just coming from people's perspectives and experiences with the types, in this case. Not everyone will agree.... but yes, you seem overall more grounded than any of the ESIs I know. And that's all it means..... It doesn't mean that all ESIs are volatile, nor does it mean no SEIs are volatile. It's just a noticeable distinction from my own experiences.
I don't know what your e-type is, but 6 is possible imo. I've seen you do some things that seemed 6'ish. You do seem fairly down-to-earth from my perspective. Yea, 4s can be a little less realistic from my experiences and readings.
Last edited by jet city woman; 05-21-2013 at 06:39 AM.
I judge my 5 reading because I think you integrate really well when you learn to be more assertive and tell losers to fuck off more (5 to 8) than you do being some peaceful hippie earth mother goddess (6 to 9), but maybe that's just my bias for liking the strong women thing.
Do you know your moon sign and rising sign too btw? In western astorlogy I mean. I'm not really familiar with vedic sorry. HITTA STOP TSK TSKING AT ME.
I really want to say that the most grounded 6s have found a measure of personal revelation sufficient enough for them to overcome crippling doubt.
The trickster is at one and the same time creator and destroyer, giver and negator, he who dupes others, and who is always duped himself.
Y u so messing up tidy socionics with your individuality
Depends on what your area of focus is: Enneagram Six or ESI Sociotype? You might want to take disintegration into account when focusing solely on Enneagram, that's for one. As for the grounded question, I think Sixes are grounded and if not, they're most definitely are striving and looking for it just to feel more comfortable in unknown and ambivalent situations, which can be somewhat annoying for Sixes. Simply put, a Six wants you to know you can count on them.
At least that's what I've gathered a long time ago when it comes to Enneagram...
I might scribble something more if I won't forget about it.
leo moon and libra rising.
i feel like i'm both really grounded (and not just in a fake way) and also way more volatile than most people who know me superficially would expect. i don't think i fit into the dichotomy very well.
i liked radio's post but i think jet has a point that it's not like every 6 who displays confidence is going to be doing so falsely.
Oh my.
@Radio overthinking isn't a problem for 6s. Neither is being inconsistent.
Because it's an interesting topic and it also provided me a succinct and singular focus point as to how to discuss it in full.
As has been shown in this interaction in particular; the problem is not that the enneagram 6 is overthinking or inconsistent it is that other people send out mixed signals and that if we all thought as deeply as enneagram 6 then this would be apparent to us.
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