Associative typology

[Olga]

Please, read my artical. It is not new but just recently has been translated into English, not yet corrected. So, please, excuse mistakes for now. Any comments wellcome!
This is the concept which in some way corresponds with the well known DCNH system which we have recently discussed on this forum. I hope that this article will make the concept of associative socionics more clear for you.

http://www.socionics4you.com/index.php/en/article-1

[SyrupDeGem]

I am attempting to read through this Olga. I know several other forum members are too since it has been referenced in conversation.

I do better with smaller chunks, but i'll get there sooner or later.

[Olga]

Very much appreciated, HelenofTroy
More articles on the way. I would ask everyone who reads the articles to comment on these issues, which are important for me:

1. Different articles are translated by different people or it it was a collaborative work. I would like to know which article sounds the best in English. Translation does depend on the person who translates - his style of writing.

2. I know that my articles are not easy to read. But if you manage to read the whole article you will have a feeling of a clear and structured knowledge aquired. Articles are highly consistent in the logics of presentation even they describe ethical approach in understanding the issues.

3. I woud be interested in your opinions about the concepts in the articles. Any comments and questions are wellcome!

Socionics and Its Capabilities of Boosting Personality Development:
http://www.socionics4you.com/index.php/en/article-3

This article is just an introduction to socionics. Nothing major. Still would be interested in your comments about English ( perfect, good, acceptable and etc.)

[wacey]

Hi Olga, great website full props to you. I have some questions that I wanted to ask, mostly about the temperaments. I just wondered how it is helpful to think of the 16types in these four tempers: ego, superego, superid, id? As in why do they need to follow a mould in the outside world? Is this another way of thinking about the intertypes relationships - for example how an ego type might relate to a super id type? Does the TPE theory have concrete explanations or definitions for what the four egoic pillars actally stand for or represent? And can you explain the theories bias towards some kind of social adgenda for the temperaments? The article seems to state (without going so far as saying) that such an over arching adgenda exsists in the social relmn, and that each temperament is simple playing a part. If the types exsist, they must have exsisted before the advent of modern society (preagricultural) as well as in "primitave" peoples alive today. Secondly, do you think that defining the types along temperment lines strictly could negate the possibility for, well, more possibilities? You stated somewhere that you felt quadra and quadra values were essitially an gulenko artifact. How do you explain this, when TPE tries to formulate similar conclusions as a quadra values theory does? In other words, does the article argue that temperaments fit neatly into the four egoic pillars, complete with all the unique drives and motivations (amazing creativity there btw), when you yourself seem to disagree that the types cannot be lumped together neatly. I just feel painting the types in with "bigger brush strokes", as a TPE theory attempts to do, is a similar approch as gulenko's quadras. I beleive that anything that more closly explains reality is the most trust worthy explanation. On the ground level, real human behavior, could TPE stand up on its own? Or, is it just another way of looking for patterns when prehaps there are none. On a personal note, I can certainly see the word superego could explain much of how my ego has created it lifes expression through my body. The superego is that "voice" that tries to babysit the ego; a little highstrung.

I thinl the real beauty of socionics is the intertype relationships. I think if ego, superego, id, and superid can be used anywhere, it can be used with confidence in explaining intertype relationships. Both is how the information elements and the functions interact with fellow human beings. Simply put, ones superid lets say is made up of Fe and Si (for example), how will that individuals superid interact with anothers ego, whos first and second channel is Si Fi respectively? For practical reasons, we might never be able to know how the aqctaul inner and outer behavior of those two individuals will play out.

In the end, I think TPE is a very nice amalgamation of all these semmingly different ideas of personality. It does tries to do what phylosiphers have done for centuries, boil down human ego, human behavior, to its base essences.

Thank you again Olga, lots of questions asking essentially the same thing. I am still learning here. Sorry for the spelling mistakes, I am typing with an xbox and xbox controller.

[Olga]

Hi, Wacey! Thank you for reading the article and for interesting thoughts and many questions. I will take my time to answer them as there is a lot of deep thought in your questions and they go futher sometime than I used to think. Whenever we discover something interesting in reality it opens something but then you have much more to discover again.

Hi Olga, great website full props to you. I have some questions that I wanted to ask, mostly about the temperaments. I just wondered how it is helpful to think of the 16types in these four tempers: ego, superego, superid, id? As in why do they need to follow a mould in the outside world? Is this another way of thinking about the intertypes relationships - for example how an ego type might relate to a super id type?

It is helpful for seeing not subtypes like in the DCNH system but for seeing and defferentiating the types themselves. Temperaments may coinside with the TPE and DCNH or may be not. If you will base your judgment just on the temperament then it is not certain to type the person into one of the four groups. You need more criteria which is linked to typology and to more general diffrences between the 16 types.
In the typology these general characteristics are not the temperaments exactly but 3 basic dichotomies - extro-intro, rational- irrational and statisc -dynamics. Temperaments are associated with this four groups as a tendency but you can not base your decision on what group belongs the person just by the temperament. You need other criteira which must be also linked like temperament to physiology- because we say that type is inherited.
Sorry, need to go now and try to answer on Monday.

[Olga]

Hi Olga, great website full props to you. I have some questions that I wanted to ask, mostly about the temperaments. I just wondered how it is helpful to think of the 16types in these four tempers: ego, superego, superid, id? As in why do they need to follow a mould in the outside world? Is this another way of thinking about the intertypes relationships - for example how an ego type might relate to a super id type?

From the perspective of profiles I would say that all the types compensate and support each other on one hand and fight for the domination on the other hand. It will depend on the situaton the character of relationship between them. The people of one type have a lot in common - values of the type. So we can expect that there will be a stronger degree of atraction and mutual understanding between them.

Does the TPE theory have concrete explanations or definitions for what the four egoic pillars actally stand for or represent?

There is another article where I describe in more detail where TPEs come from. I hope it will make sense for you. If not, then, please, ask. Look at the very beginning - introduction.

http://socionics4you.com/index.php/en/article-2

And can you explain the theories bias towards some kind of social adgenda for the temperaments? The article seems to state (without going so far as saying) that such an over arching adgenda exsists in the social relmn, and that each temperament is simple playing a part. If the types exsist, they must have exsisted before the advent of modern society (preagricultural) as well as in "primitave" peoples alive today.

Do not understand the very first queston: social adgenda for the temperaments. What does it mean?
I believe that TPEs existed always - thats true. And what about it ?

Secondly, do you think that defining the types along temperment lines strictly could negate the possibility for, well, more possibilities?

I understand that this is the question about the limits of the associative theory. First of all I woud not wish to associate the TPEs with temperaments because it is just one of the physiological criteria. Yes I refer to temperaments only to make analogy for the connecton of TPEs with physiology - something stable as type.
Secondly, I do not see how the TPEs theory can limit the possibilites of exploring the typology further. My argument is very opposite: AT(associative theory) open the gates for socionics into psychology and psychotherapy as no one other theory does in socionics today.

[Olga]

You stated somewhere that you felt quadra and quadra values were essitially an gulenko artifact. How do you explain this, when TPE tries to formulate similar conclusions as a quadra values theory does? In other words, does the article argue that temperaments fit neatly into the four egoic pillars, complete with all the unique drives and motivations (amazing creativity there btw), when you yourself seem to disagree that the types cannot be lumped together neatly.

Ok, we need to get to the meaning of what is said here. TPEs ralate to teh basic dichotomies - they are in fact the part of typology themselves. That is why you have got not just the description of the TPE -groups but also the very basic dichotomies. You can determine the TPE either by description or by the test - by the dichotomies. In case of quadras you can only associate it with the descriptions. Those descriptions are not based on any criteria like dichotomies and so you can not check the belonging to the quadra unless you actually type the person.

That is why I do give more importance to TPE - groups which are directly connected to the 16 types on the basis of the same dichotomies.

I am not sure if I answered your question?

[Olga]

How do you explain this, when TPE tries to formulate similar conclusions as a quadra values theory does?

We need to look into conclusions.The quadra theory suggests that the people of the same qaudra have the same values nd that is why they communicate better and better for each other as regrds to work and etc. Yes? Well, the TPE- theory does not say that the people of the same group are better for each other for every possible ocasion in life but that they are similar on the basis of similar qualities origignated in the basic dichotomies. The point is that it is easier to type the person into TPE-group than into the quadra. The criteria for the quadra is not clear cut as for TPE group and similarity among the types are more obvious than in the quadra.
Does it make sense?

In other words, does the article argue that temperaments fit neatly into the four egoic pillars, complete with all the unique drives and motivations (amazing creativity there btw), when you yourself seem to disagree that the types cannot be lumped together neatly.

I do not understand tha last bit without context: on what occasion I said that?

I just feel painting the types in with "bigger brush strokes", as a TPE theory attempts to do, is a similar approch as gulenko's quadras. I beleive that anything that more closly explains reality is the most trust worthy explanation.

The general level of typing was needed in the socionics theory. Usually the typing starts straight with model A and this is a rather detailed level. It is more rational to start with a bigger picture first and then to proceed to more detailed level. If you start to determione the quadra first then you have to have a clear cut criteria so that you can be sure that the person belongs definetly to this quadra and not to the other. There is no clear cut criteria for quadras - it is more o less the level of guessing. Yes or no? It is subjective opinion whcih can not be checked.

However if you start to type with TPE - level you can actually check by at least two dichotomies and the third one suppose to be as a check for the last two. You can check for extro-intro, rational -irrational and statics -dynamics. And so we do check - we have tests! So we can say ther is a massive difference between using quadra theory or TPE -theory for typing.

[Olga]

On the ground level, real human behavior, could TPE stand up on its own? Or, is it just another way of looking for patterns when prehaps there are none. On a personal note, I can certainly see the word superego could explain much of how my ego has created it lifes expression through my body. The superego is that "voice" that tries to babysit the ego; a little highstrung.

Yes of course it can stand on its own and I a happy to teach you to differentiate TPEs in art, music and many other things ...

I thinl the real beauty of socionics is the intertype relationships. I think if ego, superego, id, and superid can be used anywhere, it can be used with confidence in explaining intertype relationships. Both is how the information elements and the functions interact with fellow human beings. Simply put, ones superid lets say is made up of Fe and Si (for example), how will that individuals superid interact with anothers ego, whos first and second channel is Si Fi respectively? For practical reasons, we might never be able to know how the aqctaul inner and outer behavior of those two individuals will play out.

Well, it all depends on many different factors which are situational and in soe ways it will be not much different from the interacton of the types. The new theory does not tell much new or different in this sense. I am not sure if I understand your question actually. Fe +Si = ESE and Si+Fe= SEI. So you question is how these types relate to each other ?

The TPE- theory describes the psychodynamics of the person or situation. For example, I have got a client, who has a problem. I am listening to him and can say where is the disbalance - between what TPE and which TPE needs more attention. Or it can be situation associated with TPE profile. Does it make sense?

In the end, I think TPE is a very nice amalgamation of all these semmingly different ideas of personality. It does tries to do what phylosiphers have done for centuries, boil down human ego, human behavior, to its base essences. Thank you again Olga, lots of questions asking essentially the same thing. I am still learning here. Sorry for the spelling mistakes, I am typing with an xbox and xbox controller.

Thanks again for you questons. I do like crititcs and would be happy to consider all arguments for and against the theory.

[Olga]

Actually there is nothing in the theory so far which would answer the question how Ego-type might relate to Superid -type. I never thought about that this way. I conceptualised it as psychodynamics, as a balance of different types of energy. As regards to relationships I have got no idea what is going to be like. if you have got any ideas- wellcome.

The reason could be partly in the way I look at the interrelationship theory in socioncis. Being Fi-type myself I consider it to be very primitive schema of the relationship between the types. For some people who is not strong on Fi it could be helpful to a certain degree. I mean the way the intertype relationships are presented in socionics. Being a psychologist I know how many factors influence the relationships. I think the socionists never seriously consider the other factors. So I am sceptical about it.

Ok, may be some answers do actually exist in the theory in terms of profiles or 6 oppositions. Does it ring the bell?

[Satan]

it's too long. you need to cut it into bite-sized chunks.

[Olga]

it's too long. you need to cut it into bite-sized chunks.

What is it too long, mercuito? my text? Are you SLI?

[Satan]

What is it too long, mercuito? my text? Are you SLI?

it's a fucking wall of text

[Olga]

Hello to all!
I would like to invite you to take part in typing by colour preferences - we determine the psychodynamics which is telling us about the nature of the persone related to his physiology and type. The topic is in Russian at the moment but it is easy to translate by Google and understand as well as to take part in analysis of clients answers to the questions. If you are interested I would be happy to open the same topic on my forum in English. Please, let me know!

http://socionics4you.com/index.php/f...-3----?lang=ru

[Absurd]

Hello to all!
I would like to invite you to take part in typing by colour preferences[...]

How many colours do you have already?

[Olga]

How many colours do you have already?

Thanks for asking. We analyse all colours. Colour typing is just one of the criteria in typing by psychophysiological qualities. Compared to the traditional approach in typing personality with colour typing you have the same experience: sometimes the data perfectly fits to the model and sometimes it is not clear evident. That is why it is never a good idea to rely just on one type of criteria. Some people know very well what they like in relation to colours and music and some never thought about colours and do not bother about music.

I would suggest to start with the providing the answers to these questions so that later you would not be biased and confused about your personal colour preferences. Give it a go!

1. Imagine a rainbow of colors or palettes. What shades and colours do you prefer: light pastel, bright / saturated or dark?


2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order - which pop up in your head if you never thought about your colour preferences before and have got no idea what colours you may like. However if you did pay attention to you cooour preferences before then let your imagination flow and describe your favorite colors and color combination as you like.

3. What are the colors that you dislike the most?

4. Choose one of the color combinations that are most pleasant to your eye:

1. red and emerald green
2. pink and light green
3. yellow and purple
4. blue and orange
5. White and black.
6. beige and blue

5. If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you percieve as the most unpleasant.

If you answer these questions I will be able to analyse it from the perspective of the Butterfly model. However, if you are familiar with my approach you can do it yourself. And then we shall consider the replies of other people to the same questions.

[Satan]

Thanks for asking. We analyse all colours. Colour typing is just one of the criteria in typing by psychophysiological qualities. Compared to the traditional approach in typing personality with colour typing you have the same experience: sometimes the data perfectly fits to the model and sometimes it is not clear evident. That is why it is never a good idea to rely just on one type of criteria. Some people know very well what they like in relation to colours and music and some never thought about colours and do not bother about music.

I would suggest to start with the providing the answers to these questions so that later you would not be biased and confused about your personal colour preferences. Give it a go!

1. Imagine a rainbow of colors or palettes. What shades and colours do you prefer: light pastel, bright / saturated or dark?

Black.

2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order - which pop up in your head if you never thought about your colour preferences before and have got no idea what colours you may like. However if you did pay attention to you cooour preferences before then let your imagination flow and describe your favorite colors and color combination as you like.

Black. Red. Green.

3. What are the colors that you dislike the most?

Pink, beige, teal.

4. Choose one of the color combinations that are most pleasant to your eye:

1. red and emerald green
2. pink and light green
3. yellow and purple
4. blue and orange
5. White and black.
6. beige and blue

1, 5.

5. If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you percieve as the most unpleasant.

If you answer these questions I will be able to analyse it from the perspective of the Butterfly model. However, if you are familiar with my approach you can do it yourself. And then we shall consider the replies of other people to the same questions.

[Olga]

Black.
Superid

Black. Red. Green.
Superid-Ego-Id, dynamics.

Pink, beige, teal.
- Superego, - statics.


1, 5. +extraversion, introversion/logic

Superid - Ego, dynamics, logic. Type SLI subtype: LSE but could be also SLE.

[Galen]

Looks like I'm doing this then

1. Imagine a rainbow of colors or palettes. What shades and colours do you prefer: light pastel, bright / saturated or dark?

Bright/saturated

2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order - which pop up in your head if you never thought about your colour preferences before and have got no idea what colours you may like. However if you did pay attention to you cooour preferences before then let your imagination flow and describe your favorite colors and color combination as you like.

1) Green
2) Orange
3) Turquoise

3. What are the colors that you dislike the most?

Never thought about it. Grey I guess.

4. Choose one of the color combinations that are most pleasant to your eye:

1. red and emerald green
2. pink and light green
3. yellow and purple
4. blue and orange
5. White and black.
6. beige and blue

Yellow + Purple

5. If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you percieve as the most unpleasant.

Beige + blue I guess

[Olga]

Looks like I'm doing this then


Bright/saturated
+Extroversion


1) Green
2) Orange
3) Turquoise
Id-Ego-Superid~Superego, +intuition


Never thought about it. Grey I guess.
-introverted Intuition fo Superego-types. Could be considered as (-) introversion.


Yellow + Purple
+statics

Beige + blue I guess
- introversion.

It looks like you are an extroverted type, most likely Id-type, intuitive. There is some evidence for logics in favour but I would not say it for sure. TPE-profile extraverted Id-Ego.

[Pa3s]

1. Imagine a rainbow of colors or palettes. What shades and colours do you prefer: light pastel, bright / saturated or dark?

saturated + dark

2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order

green
grey
red

3. What are the colors that you dislike the most?

salmon-pink (actually, pink in general)
pastel shades of most colours
cold yellow tones

4. Choose one of the color combinations that are most pleasant to your eye:

1. red and emerald green
2. pink and light green
3. yellow and purple
4. blue and orange
5. White and black.
6. beige and blue

1. red and emerald green

5. If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you percieve as the most unpleasant.

2. pink and light green

[Olga]

saturated + dark

Possibly dynamics or introversion.

green
grey
red
Id-Superego -Ego, is it a dark green or a bright green that you like more?

salmon-pink (actually, pink in general)
pastel shades of most colours
cold yellow tones

- Superego and statics, -Fi


1. red and emerald green
+Extraversion

2.pink and light green

- Statics and/or ethics in rejection.

I can not be absolutely sure about introversion - extraverson at the moment. If you like not bright but rather reach and darker colours (not a bright green) then I can refer to green and grey - your favourite - colors as being introverted. You could be balanced on the introversion- extraversion. TPE profile most likely dynamic. Superid- Ego or Ego-Superid. The weakest TPE is is Superego and out of the functions -Fi.

[InvisibleJim]

@Olga

1. Imagine a rainbow of colors or palettes. What shades and colours do you prefer: light pastel, bright / saturated or dark?

I like dark colours, but I build spreadsheets with pastel shades.

2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order - which pop up in your head if you never thought about your colour preferences before and have got no idea what colours you may like. However if you did pay attention to you cooour preferences before then let your imagination flow and describe your favorite colors and color combination as you like.

Blue
Red
Green

3. What are the colors that you dislike the most?

Pink, not a fan
Orange is a bit of a crap colour.

4. Choose one of the color combinations that are most pleasant to your eye

1. red and emerald green

Blacks, pastel reds and white with brown wood has always been a favourite.

5. If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you percieve as the most unpleasant.

3. yellow and purple

[Olga]

Thank you, InvisibleJim! Let's see what information I can get about your type from you reply.

1. Imagine a rainbow of colors or palettes. What shades and colours do you prefer: light pastel, bright / saturated or dark?

I like dark colours, but I build spreadsheets with pastel shades.

Superid-Superego, introversion.

You mentioned dark and pastel. Everyone most likely to build spreadsheets with pastel shades, so we do not get this answer very serious. Dark and pastel - are the colours wich are associated with introversion and precisly: dark Superid and pastel Superego.


2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order - which pop up in your head if you never thought about your colour preferences before and have got no idea what colours you may like. However if you did pay attention to you colour preferences before then let your imagination flow and describe your favorite colors and color combination as you like.

Blue
Red
Green

Superid - Ego- Id. Dynamics, intuition.
Interesting is that blue and red belong to dynamic combination while blue and green associated with intuition. Red - emotions and Ego.

3. What are the colors that you dislike the most?

Pink, not a fan
Orange is a bit of a crap colour.

Fi and Te are rejected (ethical Superego and logical Ego). So I can assume that you are likely not an ethical type and not an an Ego-type.
Superego (-) and Ego (-).

4. Choose one of the color combinations that are most pleasant to your eye

1. red and emerald green

+ Extroversion

Blacks, pastel reds and white with brown wood has always been a favourite.
Pastel red means that the bright red is not in a favour. Blacks, white and brown - classic cmobinations which suit equally good for logical types and introverted types.

5. If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you percieve as the most unpleasant.

3. yellow and purple

Two things I would like to mention here: it could be the rejection of statics and sensorics. Precisly this is the combination of Se + Ti.

Now I need to make sense of all your data which partly controversial in nature but I need to get some trends from it. I would draw the conclusion that you have a strong intution and logic. You favour the intuitive colours and reject the sensorics ( bright jellow or orange). You accept brown which is the combination of yellow and black and which is related to introverted sensorics. You do not like pink and red is preferred in pastel shades.

I would say that slightly more evidence for introversion and Superid as a leading TPE. The profile TPE either introverted or dynamic. Ofcourse this informaton must be considered as a part of other data such as temperament and other preferences in music and art.

[InvisibleJim]

I would say that slightly more evidence for introversion and Superid as a leading TPE. The profile TPE either introverted or dynamic. Ofcourse this informaton must be considered as a part of other data such as temperament and other preferences in music and art.

Pretty cool, thanks Olga!

[Hays]

This I am sure won't inform you of much except that I dislike the colour red...

1. Imagine a rainbow of colors or palettes. What shades and colours do you prefer: light pastel, bright / saturated or dark?

I like all colours except not really reds & maybe but much less so orange (though I like the watermelon colour which is orangey pink & a colour that my friend informed me of as tangerine tango? & orange itself is fine on others) & grey (though I quite like grey clothing as it goes with anything and am at the moment wearing a grey & white t-shirt). At present I mostly wear black skirts with bright green, bright pink, grey or black & white cardigans with hopefully a solid coloured t-shirt like black, grey, watermelon or that tangeriny colour.

2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order - which pop up in your head if you never thought about your colour preferences before and have got no idea what colours you may like. However if you did pay attention to you cooour preferences before then let your imagination flow and describe your favorite colors and color combination as you like.

Most colours are fine.

3. What are the colors that you dislike the most?

As mentioned above this would be red by far & maybe orange next, though with age I dislike them less & sometimes I think I stay away from orange as my mother who everyone comments looks like myself is seen in orange most days.

4. Choose one of the color combinations that are most pleasant to your eye

I'm not sure but I like to wear black & white skirts.

5. If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you percieve as the most unpleasant.

Out of list maybe I slightly dislike the combination of yellow & purple but then again that might be ok and by themselves they are fine.

I think I might dislike the combination of red or orange with purple in clothing. Actually any clothing combination with red!



Updating for question 2 as thought about what my favourite colours would be overnight and if it's for clothing I would choose black by far, then in no particular order extremely dark navy blue (almost black), grey, bright green, watermelon, pink (bright now but pale when younger) & slightly less so purple.
I like pale pale yellow for painted walls etc & turquoise is a colour I like but don't wear much of.

[Raver]

This I am sure won't inform you of much except that I dislike the colour red...

1. Imagine a rainbow of colors or palettes. What shades and colours do you prefer: light pastel, bright / saturated or dark?

I like all colours except not really reds & maybe orange (though I like the watermelon colour) & grey (though I don't mind grey clothing). At present I wear black skirts with bright green, bright pink cardigan or black & white cardian with hopefully a solid coloured t-shirt.

2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order - which pop up in your head if you never thought about your colour preferences before and have got no idea what colours you may like. However if you did pay attention to you cooour preferences before then let your imagination flow and describe your favorite colors and color combination as you like.

Most colours are fine.

3. What are the colors that you dislike the most?

As mentioned above this would be red by far & maybe orange next, though with age I dislike them less.

4. Choose one of the color combinations that are most pleasant to your eye

I'm not sure.

5. If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you percieve as the most unpleasant.

Out of list maybe I slightly dislike the combination of yellow & purple but then again that might be ok and by themselves they are fine.

I think I might dislike the combination of red or orange with purple in clothing. Actually any clothing combination with red!

[Hays]

Yes I have settled on enneagram 9 for myself so good spotting .

[ashlesha]

1. Imagine a rainbow of colors or palettes. What shades and colours do you prefer: light pastel, bright / saturated or dark?

deep, dark, unsaturated.

2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order - which pop up in your head if you never thought about your colour preferences before and have got no idea what colours you may like. However if you did pay attention to you cooour preferences before then let your imagination flow and describe your favorite colors and color combination as you like.

black, grey, red, green.

3. What are the colors that you dislike the most?

white, orange, yellow.

4. Choose one of the color combinations that are most pleasant to your eye

black and blue.

(i just saw that there was a list- out of those, i suppose i'd choose beige and blue)

5. If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you percieve as the most unpleasant.

red and emerald green (maybe just because it makes me think of christmas)
blue and orange

[Olga]

1. Imagine a rainbow of colors or palettes. What shades and colours do you prefer: light pastel, bright / saturated or dark?

deep, dark, unsaturated.

+ Superid

2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order - which pop up in your head if you never thought about your colour preferences before and have got no idea what colours you may like. However if you did pay attention to you cooour preferences before then let your imagination flow and describe your favorite colors and color combination as you like.

black, grey, red, green.
Superid, introversion+ dynamics; Superid-Superego-Ego-Id,

3. What are the colors that you dislike the most?

white, orange, yellow.

-Superego, - Ego and - Sensorics, -rationality

4. Choose one of the color combinations that are most pleasant to your eye

black and blue.
Superid

(i just saw that there was a list- out of those, i suppose i'd choose beige and blue)
+introversion

5. If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you percieve as the most unpleasant.

red and emerald green (maybe just because it makes me think of christmas)

-Extraversion
It seems to me that you most likely are Superid -type, Introverted profile Superid - Superego.

blue and orange
- Dynamics

Superid -type, TPE profile -introverted Superid- Superego. .Could be intuitive.

[Olga]

Questionnaire 2

1.What shades do you prefer: light pastel, bright ( saturated) or dark?

Bright! Saturated! Surreal fantasy-=)

2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order - which pop first up in your head?

yellow, purple, black.

3.Name the colors that you dislike the most?

Gray, brown, burgundy

4. Choose one of the color combinations that is the most pleasant for your eye?

yellow and purple

5.If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you hate the most?

I wrote what I like but just in case - do not like the black and white mix.

[Radio]

do me do me, please?

1. Imagine a rainbow of colors or palettes. What shades and colours do you prefer: light pastel, bright / saturated or dark?

light, drab, rustic, unsaturated except for cyan and maybe red (if that makes sense, because cyan and red are always brightly saturated in my mind).

2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order - which pop up in your head if you never thought about your colour preferences before and have got no idea what colours you may like. However if you did pay attention to you cooour preferences before then let your imagination flow and describe your favorite colors and color combination as you like.

red, sky blue, greyish off-whites, beige

3. What are the colors that you dislike the most?

green, purple

4. Choose one of the color combinations that are most pleasant to your eye

6. beige and blue

5. If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you percieve as the most unpleasant.

3. yellow and purple

[Korpsy Knievel]

From Radio's responses to the questionnaire it is apparent that he is my mom.

[Olga]

O, have I overlooked your post? sorry!

do me do me, please?

1. Imagine a rainbow of colors or palettes. What shades and colours do you prefer: light pastel, bright / saturated or dark?
light, drab, rustic, unsaturated except for cyan and maybe red (if that makes sense, because cyan and red are always brightly saturated in my mind).

+Superego

2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order - which pop up in your head if you never thought about your colour preferences before and have got no idea what colours you may like. However if you did pay attention to you cooour preferences before then let your imagination flow and describe your favorite colors and color combination as you like.

red, sky blue, greyish off-whites, beige
Fe, Ni,+ dynamics, +Ego

3. What are the colors that you dislike the most?

green, purple
- Statics, Ne, Ti, -Id,- Superego

4. Choose one of the color combinations that are most pleasant to your eye

6. beige and blue
Introversion

5. If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you percieve as the most unpleasant.

3. yellow and purple
- Statics

Ok, there was a bit of a confusion in the information provided. Rationality and dynamics are a bit stronger present. We are looking at the possibility of Ego /Superego type and ethics + Intuition over logics and sensorics So, what do you think? What is your type and what do you get on the tests ususllay?

[Olga]

Ok, I am back! Did you miss me?
Please, comment on my analysis regarding your actual type and you are wellcome to tellme the results of the other tests if you wish. I remind you that this is not a proper typing as color typing is usually supported by other non- and verbal criteria.

This I am sure won't inform you of much except that I dislike the colour red...

Ok, Fe could be not your cup of tea

1. Imagine a rainbow of colors or palettes. What shades and colours do you prefer: light pastel, bright / saturated or dark?

I like all colours except not really reds & maybe but much less so orange (though I like the watermelon colour which is orangey pink & a colour that my friend informed me of as tangerine tango? & orange itself is fine on others) & grey (though I quite like grey clothing as it goes with anything and am at the moment wearing a grey & white t-shirt). At present I mostly wear black skirts with bright green, bright pink, grey or black & white cardigans with hopefully a solid coloured t-shirt like black, grey, watermelon or that tangeriny colour.

It looks like you do like bright colours and you tend to wear contrast colours: bright colors with black skirts. And you do not like in particular the colors of TPE Ego. So we can think about the possibility of being any other type except Ego. Do you prefer soldig colors and not patterns usually? And if you do like patterns then what kind of patterns? Is your style rather unsofisticated, formal and simple?


2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order - which pop up in your head if you never thought about your colour preferences before and have got no idea what colours you may like. However if you did pay attention to you cooour preferences before then let your imagination flow and describe your favorite colors and color combination as you like.

Most colours are fine.

So, nothing popped out? Do you pay attention to the colors at all?

3. What are the colors that you dislike the most?

As mentioned above this would be red by far & maybe orange next, though with age I dislike them less & sometimes I think I stay away from orange as my mother who everyone comments looks like myself is seen in orange most days.

- Ego. This is extreamly bright and sexy colors. They attract attention.

4. Choose one of the color combinations that are most pleasant to your eye

I'm not sure but I like to wear black & white skirts.

Iit could be the sign of logic and/or introversion.

5. If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you percieve as the most unpleasant.

Out of list maybe I slightly dislike the combination of yellow & purple but then again that might be ok and by themselves they are fine.

-statics.These colours represent Ti+Se. If you consider yellow and purple separately in combinatons whith what other colors you would prefer them to see? Puprle suits better with what color? And what about yellow with some other color?

I think I might dislike the combination of red or orange with purple in clothing. Actually any clothing combination with red!

Ok. No tolerance to Red - this color can spoil an other. Understood.

Updating for question 2 as thought about what my favourite colours would be overnight and if it's for clothing I would choose black by far, then in no particular order extremely dark navy blue (almost black), grey, bright green, watermelon, pink (bright now but pale when younger) & slightly less so purple.
I like pale pale yellow for painted walls etc & turquoise is a colour I like but don't wear much of.

I would think that you can be an introvert and intuit, possibly logic. You rejection of red color could be because your Fe is weak - you may not like to show emotions yourself and do not like others to be emotional. It could be also that you do not like to be controlled by others. There is a possiblity that you are a Superid-type. Is anything of this true?

[Hays]

Thanks Olga for sharing your thoughts as to my type via clothing colours.

t looks like you do like bright colours and you tend to wear contrast colours: bright colors with black skirts. And you do not like in particular the colors of TPE Ego. So we can think about the possibility of being any other type except Ego. Do you prefer soldig colors and not patterns usually? And if you do like patterns then what kind of patterns? Is your style rather unsofisticated, formal and simple?

Thought it easier to answer your question by taking a photo of my black skirts. There are approximately 13 or 14 completely black skirts and in between are some mostly black ones with colours.
I guess what surprised me when I looked at the photo was that I had a few black skirts with purple and green in the patterns.
I'm not really sure what my clothing style is, though it is probably a bit bohemian. My kids tease and call it the bag lady look :-)

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If you consider yellow and purple separately in combinatons whith what other colors you would prefer them to see? Puprle suits better with what color? And what about yellow with some other color?

I would consider yellow to go well with white or grey, and purple to go well with black or grey.

I would think that you can be an introvert and intuit, possibly logic. You rejection of red color could be because your Fe is weak - you may not like to show emotions yourself and do not like others to be emotional. It could be also that you do not like to be controlled by others. There is a possiblity that you are a Superid-type. Is anything of this true?

In response to these questions, I don't like dramas and if I ever am part of one I feel ashamed, thankfully this is a rare occurrence. I much prefer to be in control of my emotions and prefer the same with others though I do believe that we are each entitled to our feelings and should be able to express them in healthy ways.
As for being controlled by others the only things I can really think of in regards to this is when I first married I explained to my husband that he could be bossy at work but to not bring that home and my mother has this way of accomplishing her wishes/fighting her fights by attempting to get others including myself to do her will. She is a difficult woman to stand up to and I always regret those moments when I give in to her ways.

After reading info in your links I think either Superid-type, Superego-type or even Id-type fits me best so I guess that means just Ego-type ruled out for sure.

[Olga]

Thanks, Shayley, for reply.
You answer is very detailed. I looked at your skitrs and thought they are quite nice colorwise. Your style of writing (monotone) makes me think that you are most likely an introvert and could be Superego-type. If you have purple and green patterns in your skirts then this is a plus for statics. Color red brings dynamics and usually Superid types like at least a bit of red. Only those who is very introverted (Superid-Superego) may stick just to blue and blacks.
Could you explain, please, what bohemian style of closes is and what means the bag lady look?

[anndelise]

1. Imagine a rainbow of colors or palettes. What shades and colours do you prefer: light pastel, bright / saturated or dark?

Depends on the context.

For wearing, I prefer Autumn based colors which includes Soft(muted)-Autumn, Deep-Autumn, and Warm-Autumn as seen in the chart here:
http://www.thechicfashionista.com/se...-analysis.html


This has to do with which colors work well with my own physical coloring.

For neutrals (base coloring), I prefer a rich chocolate brown with warm tones to it. (Works awesome with the Autumn coloring above. When using 'brighter' colors (like pinks, blues, etc) I prefer them to have a brownish tone to them, which has the added benefit of reducing the color's brightness.

If I were to decorate my place, I would prefer a light creamy wall paint rather than the typical white; deep brown naturally wooded furniture; and some of the colorings from the autumn chart above and/or from the southwest desert palette (which I grew up with).

Also, from the following chart, I would more likely choose bases from the barren&arid colors with wetland colors as a secondary and just a bare hint of "developed" color:

(Note: This chart also gives an idea of what I mean by preferring soft(muted) colors.
Some further examples:






This one is a little more colorful than I prefer, but still fits as an example of the Soft(muted) Desert colors I like.


I think it would be interesting to make a color wheel of the colors I like. This one doesn't have any blue, and I'm not much into yellow, but close enough:


Another pic that is a bit too busy colorwise for me to want around me regularly, but if this were greatly simplified in design, it would fit with what I find soothing.


Metal-wise I would use bronze and copper or a darkly stained bronzy steel metal (I have no idea what it is, I just tend to like it when I'm given the choice of stainless steel vs this for things like curtain rods and such).

2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order - which pop up in your head if you never thought about your colour preferences before and have got no idea what colours you may like. However if you did pay attention to you cooour preferences before then let your imagination flow and describe your favorite colors and color combination as you like.

See #1.
Wearing: base is rich chocolatey brown, autumny or deserty secondary, with just a hint of another color like a light catching deep blue or violet pendant.

3. What are the colors that you dislike the most?

I don't like bright or heavily saturated colors, like the colors on the left half of the Light-Spring and Clear-Spring side of that Color chart above.
I can't stand busily colored items either. All that color hurts my eyes and my head. (like the color schemes in usa mexican restaurants) Stuff like:

and

4. Choose one of the color combinations that are most pleasant to your eye:

1. red and emerald green
2. pink and light green
3. yellow and purple
4. blue and orange
5. White and black.
6. beige and blue

Of those choices, I would have to go with beige and blue, though really, it depends on the shades/hue/whatever involved.

I admit though that some pictures that follow the black and white scheme with some red in key places I like for some reason. Like I had a clear black and clear white pictures of a woman with red lips blowing smoke off a recently fired gun...it also had a heart shaped hole and an attempt at looking like broken glass, as if she had shot the picture frame with her gun.

5. If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you percieve as the most unpleasant.

The most unpleasant of those 6 choices? Blue and Orange...blech. I don't know if there's a possible shade combination of those two that would look good together to me. No, I take that back...a sunset or sunrise is usually gorgeous. (Edited to add: i'm not at all a fan of red and green together.)(edited again to add: except during harvest time...lush red strwaberries peeking out through green foilage...yum! lol)

If you answer these questions I will be able to analyse it from the perspective of the Butterfly model. However, if you are familiar with my approach you can do it yourself. And then we shall consider the replies of other people to the same questions.

I'm not familiar with your color theory. How much context do you consider?
For example, when I feel active and energized, I'll choose warmer colors like muted shades of orange, yellow, or red. When I feel relaxed, or want to feel relaxed, I choose cooler shades such as shades of blue and green. When I'm feeling creative, I might toss in a bit of purplish colors. (Though primarily I go for browns and relaxed colors rather than energetic colors.)

[squirreltual]

1. Imagine a rainbow of colors or palettes. What shades and colours do you prefer: light pastel, bright / saturated or dark?

Strong but not bright colors.

2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order - which pop up in your head if you never thought about your colour preferences before and have got no idea what colours you may like. However if you did pay attention to you cooour preferences before then let your imagination flow and describe your favorite colors and color combination as you like.

Orange - Red
Black
Green


3. What are the colors that you dislike the most?

Dark brown, light blue.

4. Choose one of the color combinations that are most pleasant to your eye

red and emerald green - this one definitely

I also really like black + gold/orange.

5. If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you percieve as the most unpleasant.

Beige and blue

[Olga]

1. Imagine a rainbow of colors or palettes. What shades and colours do you prefer: light pastel, bright / saturated or dark?

Strong but not bright colors.

Not sure how to understand it. Ok. let it be rich colours and then -extraversion!

2. Name 3 favorite colors in the order - which pop up in your head if you never thought about your colour preferences before and have got no idea what colours you may like. However if you did pay attention to you cooour preferences before then let your imagination flow and describe your favorite colors and color combination as you like.

Orange - Red
Black
Green

Ego-Superid -Id

3. What are the colors that you dislike the most?

Dark brown, light blue.

-Superid (roughly: Si,Ni)

4. Choose one of the color combinations that are most pleasant to your eye

red and emerald green - this one definitely

Extroversion

I also really like black + gold/orange.

Irrationalityand possilbly dynamics


5. If you do not like any one combination, try to choose one that you percieve as the most unpleasant.

Beige and blue

- Introversion in rejecton

Very strong extraversion, weaker statics and balanced irrationality-rationlaity. There is some controversion in the answers so I would be careful in decideing upon the leading TPE just based on these answers but I can say that you aer a definete extravert and the TPE profile is extraverted. Red and orange suggest leading Te +Fe, so I would not know are you ethical or logical type. But I would think that in connection with black it is pointing to dynamics.
Then you said that you also like black and yellow - this is a sign of irrationality. I have to think carefully because this factor is not consistent with leading Ego. Irrationality plus dynamics leads me to Superid which is present in your color preferences ( black) but I can not go that root as you are a definete extravert. So I stuck with extraversion, dynamics and possble irrationality which do not fit together. That is why I will just say that extraversion is strong with possible leading Ego and compensating Id.

I would not decide upon intution and sensorics because in your preference there is green (Ne) and in combination with black -yellow (Se). Green is one of our favourite colors and light blue is disliked (Ni). So I would think if you would be an Id type or staic type then Ne is correct for you. If you would be an Ego-type -Ne would be not correct.
I would not be sure about logics an ethics either because red is Fe and orange Te. However taking into consideration other criteria related to psychophysiological qualities I woud be able to understand your type better.
Thank you for taking part!