Why can't lazy ESTjs exist? I don't remember Ashura saying anything about Te as the leading function and that it's impossible for them to be lazy. Also don't remember anything in Jungs description of extraverts that extraverts can't be lazy.Originally Posted by William
Same idea as saying INTps can't live busy and active lives. Vitality and stuff.
It was a joke, Jim.
Many things regarding EIIs seems like a bad joke to me; alas, this is probably why they ain't my dual.
like what things?
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
new relationship with an ESTJ (friend) ending like disaster because he's not able to not provoke ressentment in other, + unable to question himself, + unable to understand smth like exchange, giving, friendship.
I maked myself in the position "working on myself" in all the relationship for him, making myself thinking I'm not appreciated for what I'm, but at the end I understand that everyone can have thing that can be corrected. But he eventually pushed it to the nazi limit, even at the end thinking Ive done nothing for him. Lol. I take back my records wich are in his house, buy the part of his collection he want to sell (I gave at least 10 records to him for free wich costed smth like 30/50 euros on discogs and he want to sell to me them back for 40 lol).
In estj, Fi is not related to anything like moral or relationship.
"The final delusion is the belief that one has lost all delusion."
-- Maurice Chapelain
Just tell him that what he's doing is wrong and not to ruin your friendship over some cds
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
yeah don't spend time around losers like that
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
That's nice, ESTj. Now get your ass in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.
someday the grapes will be wine
and someday you will be mine
EII-Ne 2w3 - 9w1 - 7w8 so/sx
LSE are why trump is president now
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I think most of the hardcore Trump supporters are SLE rather then LSE. In any case I think the the far-left are completely to blame for their own loss on this one. With all the SJW bull doo-doo they sprayed around it is expected they would push left-leaners into not voting and trigger aggressive retaliation from conservatives.
Sadly it have some truth. Trump have been able to conquer popularity in his people and people who have no reason to follow him. I bet if a fanatic IEI was in position of power some EII would vote for him thought...LSE are why trump is president now
Ive some ESTj friend that show respect from Trump (myself included even if INFj) but some exceeds the limit of fanaticism because they think they will get girl by the pussy like him killing some ppl in the way in agreement with NRA or idk what.
Sorry for this thread fellow ESTj, Ive only good relationship with them now
there is the same problematic with Marine Le Pen in our country but that's a bit worst because media feel the need to give her bad reputation that actually contribute to her good reputation.
"The final delusion is the belief that one has lost all delusion."
-- Maurice Chapelain
Another relationship end with a delta relative, probably ESTJ (Very "Ne" ESTJ)... (the one that I strongly "insulted" in a previous thread due to variety of factor that I can't too much speak about here than real stuff - it was actually a cool relationship and he was healthier than what was said....)
Aside the fact there is strong difference that appeared in view some view of life, idk what to say... It annoy me because ive accepted 0 of what he said simply because... oh, wanna explain bad night
The first "deapreciation" ive done was somewhat second degree with my ex girlfriend we wasn't together anymore and I was a bit sarcastic but with this relationship Ive had fucking up down at the beginning (this explain the rant/second deapreciation) because of.... drugs, wich I have stopped, after that everything runned more or less smoothly but my "problem of my life" resurfaced wich can almost be summed as "being me"
One of my problem is that with time I see myself more and more "alone" and less interested into contact, and this WASTE relationship to a big degree. Idk if I should accept this impression or not. I bet a long time alone can do some great stuff, regenerating, and stuff.
I fucked up a relationship where there was life goal agrement. Cool
Fuck
really bad night
Last edited by noid; 01-06-2017 at 08:38 PM.
"The final delusion is the belief that one has lost all delusion."
-- Maurice Chapelain
I declare this thread closed and of no use.
Where is the appreciation thread ?
Last edited by noaydi; 01-18-2017 at 03:37 PM.
^ alphaness?
there are plenty appreciation threads of the past
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
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