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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I think it is less a matter of reading and more a matter of taking it seriously. Personally, anyway. Things aren't as cut and dried as you seem to prefer, Maritsa. Other stuff does prevent socionics from working the way it looks on paper/your computer screen.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
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identical relationships are not helpful; they are boring and one sided; it's like competition at it's best. You both are walking and thinking about the same side of the road; the other side is left undiscovered.
ISTj and ESTj have different values, energies, and behaviors; they would not get along well. ST with ST is like a recipe for disaster. ISTp and ESTj are attracted to one another because they kinda think a like and have the same things they laugh about and have fun with, but one needs something and the other can't provide it; they end up emphasizing on work work work, and nothing about giving each other, or the other emotional support one needs. Translated, they have differing DS; ISTp in their lazy way, order ESTj to do things and they don't contribute to the emotional needs of ESTj.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
@Maritsa:
I'm starting to believe that you have no clue about how actual relationships work, you're just deriving your conclusions from theory but it looks cartoon-like.
In reality, I don't really picture IEEs taking orders from anyone, much less an SLI. I can see how an LSE would like to direct others but SLI have the opposite temperament; they have no energy to direct anyone or anything.
What is true is that SLIs are quietly forceful, they don't give in as easily, so in the end the pair ends up doing what the SLI wants most of the time. This is not abusive in any way and it doesn't mean that the SLI controls the IEE either. What it truly means is that SLI is something like a brake to the ever expanding universe of the IEE, which eventually results in disaster from spreading too thin.
The SLI just filters what's in essence desires of the IEE. Never forget that SLI is caregiver and IEE is infantile.
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You know what? You're an individual, and that makes people nervous. And it's gonna keep making people nervous for the rest of your life. - Ole Golly from Harriet, the spy.
Yeah, it was for another post.
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[] | NP | 3[6w5]8 so/sp | Type thread | My typing of forum members | Johari (Strengths) | Nohari (Weaknesses)
You know what? You're an individual, and that makes people nervous. And it's gonna keep making people nervous for the rest of your life. - Ole Golly from Harriet, the spy.
I was in a rel with an SLI for 7 years; he fussed but never said directly what he wanted done and he was such a pain in the butt because he required "reading in between the lines" all the time and yes, because of his fussy moodiness and me wanted a calm atmosphere, we did do what he wanted to. My father and nephew are SLI and plus half of my uncles and aunts I know how they can be like.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Hm, I could say I agree a bit. To me ISTp are calm much calmer than my INTp father but I also find them a bit too moody. I like stability in a partner, I'm too much affected by other's people mood to feel good in an unstable environment. My INTp father is like crazy Fe polr person, he sits ueitly in his room but vhen he's angry it's like really, really scary and this kind of behaviour affected me a lot. I didn't have much to deal vith ISTps but one ISTp that I knov, although very healthy, has a similar sense of moodiness in him. I'm just a 6 I need a rock that I could lean on.
However, I think it depends on a person. My ISTp girl friend has never struck me as moody and we shared one room for a year... so it all depends.
Last edited by Ver; 09-18-2012 at 11:59 AM.
Well, I avoid LSE women like plague. They are total flirts but they are so picky it never goes far.
[] | NP | 3[6w5]8 so/sp | Type thread | My typing of forum members | Johari (Strengths) | Nohari (Weaknesses)
You know what? You're an individual, and that makes people nervous. And it's gonna keep making people nervous for the rest of your life. - Ole Golly from Harriet, the spy.
I guess it depend of the temperament, my girlfriend was more masculine some year ago, but with time she have develloped more delta IJ trait speaking in socionic term
yes and that's exactly our current situation. But life is more malleable than you think.But they do. You think someone who can't cook, clean, take care of kids, handle finances, or hold down a job would be able to handle a relationship?
"The final delusion is the belief that one has lost all delusion."
-- Maurice Chapelain
[] | NP | 3[6w5]8 so/sp | Type thread | My typing of forum members | Johari (Strengths) | Nohari (Weaknesses)
You know what? You're an individual, and that makes people nervous. And it's gonna keep making people nervous for the rest of your life. - Ole Golly from Harriet, the spy.
Hormones and testosterone determine sexual drive, which is independent of type. ESTjs are usually quite direct and to the point about what they want; concerning sexual drive, the only thing that separates them from other types is billboard advertisements.
a.k.a. I/O
It can arrange me, I'm in love with my older ESTJ psychologist female
Need to find myself one as well.
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“I want the following word: splendor, splendor is fruit in all its succulence, fruit without sadness. I want vast distances. My savage intuition of myself.”
― Clarice Lispector
The type affects how those "hormones and testosterone" are felt good in your consciousness. How openly, assertive and m... alluringly you'll show your sexual wishes. S types are better with it, while N types may need some external initiative to enter in the needed state of mind and behavior.
Also if you think about sex more often (more common for S types) you should to have higher level of the hormones.
> ESTjs are usually quite direct and to the point about what they want
it's expected from S-E types. but ESTJ are not vulgar or rude as we don't want to scary someones like cute EII
You know, now that I think about it, there's a fair number of older ladies (meaning my age or older than me) who've flirted with me or I've caught eyeing me like a piece of crispy bacon in my work experience. I think some of them are probably LSEs. I don't know if this is really a type related thing though. There was one colleague I used to deal with who was quite direct in her flirting, calling me cutie and remarking on my "sweet face." Very touchy, always touching my arm, and I don't really like people in my personal space that much. She seemed extremely DTF. I tend to be oblivious to this sort of thing in the moment, not usually realizing until later reflection. However, she was pretty obvious about it.
My boyfriend's ESTj mom goes out with younger men all the time and even jokes to him about them being really demanding financially lol. She's in a relationship with her second baby daddy though, who's older than her and lives in another town. He doesn't know about her escapades with younger men though.
C-EII-INFj 4w3 Sx/sp 479
Boss at work is an ESTj woman, very assertive woman bossing around a bunch of grown men who believe she has an invisible penis inbetween her legs. I made one risky joke to her, now when she sees me it's like an involuntary smile just appears on her face, like she wants to devour me lol.
My duals can't keep their hands off me.but ESTJ are not vulgar or rude
Well she doesn't like me much,so I haven't spent enough time with her to know what her enneatype is. However, I know she's a workaholic and really bossy,but then again aren't most LSE? The dad (not my boyfriend's dad,his younger brother's dad) has another family too,so I don't know whether the situation is cheating or separation or polygamy. I don't know. Shit's fucked up. All i know is the only family she really considers hers and is really protective of are her children. The rest are "replaceable".
C-EII-INFj 4w3 Sx/sp 479
O_o lol wtf
(this reminds me of what goes on in astrology where you'll often read that the infidel signs are among fire and air for the most part, yet i've experienced that it was watery and earthy signs to be the ones more prone to cheat. it makes sense for earth= sensual, water=emotions, yet the common perception is fire=mofos (it's actually intuition) and air=flee from commitment (it's actually logical functions), oh well! just generalizations! uno)