Well I'm confused about her type, but not confused about how to parent her! LOL I think it's you guys who are taking socionics a bit too seriously here. If you don't have kids of your own, you probably shouldn't be jumping to conclusions about how people with kids are using or not using this information.
And by the way, I appreciated the other moms in this thread and their reflections on figuring out the types of their kids. Thanks.
ESI? Maybe! I'll think about that one!
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If she is not realistic, she will realize this in time as the reality is bound to manifest somehow that doesn't fit in to the model.
She will go to another set of false beliefs or gain better understanding. The latter is bound to happen by it's own weight, provided she will continue interaction with her children and she will be sensible. In my opinion, both of those requirements are likely to be fulfilled.
I have hard time imagining that pointing out this will have any effect because you can't give her any new information. The imperfection of socionics is voiced here very often and often in a more attractive packaging that k0rpsy had. The few fanatic socionists also help us to indirectly promote about these flaws in the model. Afterall, nobody wants to be a maritsa.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
LOL Oh my gosh is that cute! Love the feathered bangs. Your mom is probably not much older than I am! haha Thanks for finding this. I can see why you said it reminded you of her.
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more than once i've seen half-joking comments in the chatbox about how horrible it would be to have a conflictor child greeted with nothing but half-joking knowing nod type of reactions. the amount of backlash that the "maritsa"s get (as if it is just maritsa) is not commensurate. it's useful to have some skepticism and i think when people immediately react against it it says something about how "loosely" they really do take socionics.
i think this thread was delicate because it was a parent-child scenario, but the same truths about typing hold true regardless.
I don't think she is taking his remarks offensively at all, she told him to get out because HE is the one who is taking it too seriously. She didn't seem offended at all. In fact she seemed more annoyed that people think she is trying to type her child in order to treat her child as a type. I think she just wants to understand her kid more?? It has nothing to do with, "oh my child is this type..so I will thrust this function their way and try to to help mold them"
She's saying...Oh, I've fucking kids, I'm curious of their types..Not going to do anything with the information, not even going to absolutely believe it, seems like she' s just brainstorming here. Doesn't sound like needs a "Reality check" like some of you are assuming...which how you pulled that out of your asses is interesting... and speaks volumes. as she isn't a socionist fanatic like marista or Tchaud.
Well, k0rpsy doesn't talk about socionics a lot. And the amount of threat he sees within socionics to hurt relationships, it seems strange that he still constantly reminds himself of it's existence by being on this forum.
I trust Redbaron won't be teaching them about typology with an attitude they would take to their hearts. But yeah usually challenge with children is that they are delicate.
I hope you are not implying I did such? I agree that Redbaron's reaction could have been more open. The message might have aimed to be helpful but it probably felt hostile. Hostility is usually perceived as a sign of unconstructive communication.
I have done all of those things. I didn't feel like repeating them in this thread, just like I didn't feel like repeating the possibility of Redbaron typing her child as a projection of her affection which could lead to positive results due to it being a self-fulfilling prophecy.
This community is still very aware of it when it comes to socionics. You don't see most of the older members even wanting to talk about socionics.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
Cute how my initial post was taken at face value instead of being recognized as the less-than-serious exaggeration it is.
More later when I'm not hampered by typing on a phone, though I might post on related matters in another thread rather than running this one further off its rails. Redbaron has demonstrated repeatedly that she'd prefer to only be told what she wants to hear.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
lol wow this got offtopic fast.
Socionics is just mental masturbation, not a way of life. It gives me something to think about when I'm bored, and even after I type someone, I'm always open to new information and retyping as necessary, sometimes just to see if I think another type could fit. I don't really see what the big deal is about typing kids. I can see how some people could take it way too far, but most of us on this forum aren't crazy.
Anyway, I think my boyfriends daughter is xSE, and I'm very curious to see how she turns out. I'm leaning towards LSE at the moment, but that changes on a regular basis.
Ok, maybe she's not SEI. But I refuse to believe she is other than a Si Ego! And BTW, most of your justifications are soooo subjective. From this paragraph all that I *could* take seriously would be teaching or controlling others, though I think I have a guess where that comes from when it's about your mother - it's your mother. I mean you seem the person who look for the thrill in live, while I can very easily see how a Si Ego parent would try to prevent you, making you seeing him/her as "narrow-minded" and "controlling".
My response to this is that you are kind and seem to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but obviously you do not know of Korpsy. He's always negative, always an asshole, on purpose, always puts everyone down, and pretty much everything he says, is supposedly "in jest" is just a way for him to be bitter about everything. He doesn't care how people respond to him, he has preconceived notions about how EVERYONE will respond to him. It's ridiculous he even wastes his time coming to this forum as he does nothing but bitch and complain. That is why people tend to respond to him in hostility, he's a fucking asshole who doesn't give a shit about what anyone else thinks or says and pukes rude comments on other people's threads who want to actually discuss socionics. Reality checks may be needed for someone people, but not redbaron.
What you want to hear are suggestions concerning the appropriate sociotypal labeling for your kid, not general critiques of applied typology's effect on interpersonal perception and action. I already said I'd bring up the latter elsewhere so you can enjoy your convo here.
Oh shit, I just read more more than I had to. I'm going to have a damn good time on this forum.
se in the ego means ur a stone cold killer bitch who nevah takes shit from anyone and gets whatever they want. fuck yeah
i feel pretty balanced. rigid and tough i can relate to, soft-spoken and malleable i can relate to. it just depends. people from a distance are more likely to describe me as timid and people i know well describe me as more aggressive.
but there's a weird standard some people have for se-creative types like where people like absurd who are a caricature of stubborness are the benchmark. and being deliberate, careful, indecisive, or willing to consider where other people might be coming from is evidence against ne polr, even though, hello, and weak .
how are you even supposed to use and be some kind "moral arbiter" as they would say without having some comfort and confidence in being able to introspect and give consideration to other ethical perspectives? without those abilities you'd be kind of an idiot. but apparently those abilities are just in the realm of intuition.
Please, not again. I can take Maritsa on a perfect day, but please, what did I ever do to you? I have been alright, unless you know about something I don't, and where is this Fi and weak Te - are you comparing yourself to me?
It seems to me you're actually talking about yourself. Correct me if I am wrong. It's cool you think out of the box, that's a really great thing - connecting dots - but why is that I am still Ne polr. I have never self-typed ESI nor LSI.
Plus you have a pretty skewed impression of me. And I'm not going to "be a stone cold bitch" as you put it as long you or any one else actually gets it, that I won't remain alright/kind when faced with it. If that makes me Se ego, time to re-write socionics. Have a pen
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Alright, what's past is past. I can be this guinea pig. Fire at will.
Can I get my battleships equipped with nukes this time, though, I mean my fishing ships with fishing gear?
I am alright, no worries.
Okay, I better go to bed.
I see this as a typing thread is over a month old.. but I want to add that my first thought, from description, was ENFJ. Possibly INFJ. But the relations with her brother point to the ENFJ, in my opinion. You have beautiful children, @redbaron, and they look happy and healthy. You are blessed.
P.S. I compare her to my son's ENFJ friend, and also another one that I know*. This friend of his has a similar look as well as being a very excellent student and always knows the schedule, and can juggle a tight one. She is often very, very outgoing, and my SLE son and she enjoy a nice Activity relationship. Its a very outgoing connection they have. She recently had a foreign student come live in her house, her age, and I believe this girl is an ESFP. Suddenly ENFJ seems not-so outgoing, she takes a back seat to ESFP's extreme delight in socializing (something that she has not enjoyed adjusting to so suddenly I gather). This leads me to think that ESFx's might be more socially outgoing than ENFx's, at least when they are together. Which would explain the difference in the sisters that you described.
Well, its been a couple of months, did you decided her type?
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Actually I can think of three, all are good students.
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