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    Quote Originally Posted by Iris View Post
    Same here, Pookie. Only it was my dad who enforced the rules. His big expression was, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." We kids were not even allowed to tease each other. The consequences of "disrespect" were quite severe. The interesting thing is that I am not a disrespectful person. The things I said that brought on punishment were usually my heartfelt beliefs, my dad just didn't like anyone to disagree with him.

    So my siblings and I are all extremely polite and try hard not to offend. I almost never let out the contradictory thoughts that occur to me in conversations. Occasionally they slip out and I almost always feel bad about it.

    What is your own reaction to disrespect toward yourself?
    It takes alot to hit a nerve for me. I like to play off of what people say, and if it seems slightly disrespectful, ill reciprocate and build my response off of what they say in a tit for tat manner. I have pretty mean thoughts in my head lol, so when someone gives me an excuse to let it out, i will, even if its in a playful tone.

    When i actually really feel Disrespected though, my body language changes and people tend to pick up on my strained restraint pretty quickly. I get quieter, my eye-contact is more direct, and i probably have that Fi flicker of contempt in my eyes.
    My course of action is determined by my relationship with them. Friend/Acquaintance, ill try my hardest to minimalize my feelings and overlook it. Strangers will get the full brunt of my visible anger. Se kicks in, in overdrive essentially. And i'll fight my close friends. Anyone on that real inner circle isnt allowed to disrespect me without consequence. I overlook most things to the point that if i actually feel disrespected, then you are definitely in the wrong. I just will not allow it from anybody that i am close to.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    It takes alot to hit a nerve for me. I like to play off of what people say, and if it seems slightly disrespectful, ill reciprocate and build my response off of what they say in a tit for tat manner. I have pretty mean thoughts in my head lol, so when someone gives me an excuse to let it out, i will, even if its in a playful tone.

    When i actually really feel Disrespected though, my body language changes and people tend to pick up on my strained restraint pretty quickly. I get quieter, my eye-contact is more direct, and i probably have that Fi flicker of contempt in my eyes.
    My course of action is determined by my relationship with them. Friend/Acquaintance, ill try my hardest to minimalize my feelings and overlook it. Strangers will get the full brunt of my visible anger. Se kicks in, in overdrive essentially. And i'll fight my close friends. Anyone on that real inner circle isnt allowed to disrespect me without consequence. I overlook most things to the point that if i actually feel disrespected, then you are definitely in the wrong. I just will not allow it from anybody that i am close to.

    What's an instance of something that might hit a nerve, Pookie? Now I'm curious.

    I tend to be pretty self-conscious and controlled, and if I'm really upset, would probably rather back down or talk than vent my anger on the person. The "talking back" I basically meant when starting the thread was pretty much what you described: meeting people tit for tat when they start messing with me or trying to manipulate me. I don't think I've ever gone on the offensive like what you described toward the end though, however I can think of plenty of times I showed a spine during interactions when I didn't feel I was being accorded the right amount of consideration. Generally I tend to be pretty careful of how I interact with people and give my friends plenty of warnings if they're treading where I think they shouldn't or wish they wouldn't. If they insist on being an ass still, I'll just avoid them until they fix their act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ningyo View Post
    What's an instance of something that might hit a nerve, Pookie? Now I'm curious.
    Unintentionally/Intentionally insulting my family. Improper tone when speaking to my little sisters. Stealing from me. Or treating me sub-human.

    Those are types of instances where 3(SEE,LSI, LSI) close friends and 1(FAG) stranger got the real angry side of my self exposed to them.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pookie View Post
    Unintentionally/Intentionally insulting my family. Improper tone when speaking to my little sisters. Stealing from me. Or treating me sub-human.

    Those are types of instances where 3(SEE,LSI, LSI) close friends and 1(FAG) stranger got the real angry side of my self exposed to them.
    Excellent reasons to tear them new assholes, all.
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    Also no offense by fag. I dont mean it as a derogatory term for gay people. I mean it as a derogatory term for assholes. I'd never call a gay person a fag, unless they were being a total fag.
    Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.

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