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Phthalate.
I know before I gave my reasons for IEE, of which you responded with a video, and I’m finally now responding and giving my more in-depth reasoning, which you had wanted.
In the video:
1) @0:46, when you say you don’t respond to Fe, because you’re busy listening to music, or that ‘people talk about stuff you don’t really care about’, I find that quite indicative of type <-- because it shows WHAT you care about, therefore what functions you value. In a sense you’re telling me you don’t care about Fe-related things.
2) @2:21, talking about ‘not being a crybaby’, and annoyance, and more emotionally subjective things for your judgment, nothing really logically significant.
3) @2:56, the desire to here the methodical reasoning behind a decision is more Te-valuing, as opposed to process-of-elimination, which tends to be accepted more by Ti-valuers.
4) @3:30 … you admit you are annoyed by someone who DOESN’T want to admit they’re wrong about your type ON your self-type thread. This is huge.
Ti-egos tend to stick with something when they KNOW they’re right. You seem to want to have a ‘friendly debate’ more, and EXPECT people to yield and agree with you.
In truth, I don't believe this thread has gone at all like you’d expected. I get the impression you used it to try to convince everyone you’re ILE, as opposed to openly hearing their opinions. Again, something I’ve done in the past too
. I’ll address this point more later.
5) @4:10 “I don’t like using comparative logic”…. Ti egos, well… they generally like to compare things, and do it naturally and subconsciously.
6) @4:50 You’re saying that you would prefer people to CITE something, or direct you to something, sounds very Te-valuing. It sounds like you’re smart with judging credibility, and realize there can be mistakes when comparing with other people, as opposed to an article.
… I don’t feel the need to find an article which you so desire lol, or dig up Jung for you. I’m just pointing this out.
@5:10 It’s not necessarily Ti-vulnerable, so much as it is Te-valuing. Of course IEE’s are still able to think in a logical sequence and make logical deductions.
In fact, here’s what Wikisocion (Some Te credibility for you) says about Ti-POLR:
“ as a vulnerable (4th) function (SEE and IEE)
The individual has a tendency to either completely reject or completely embrace a source of theoretical knowledge, but does not like to reveal the source or his adherence to it.
He prefers to limit the number of theoretical categories he works with and tends to see new terminology, systems, and rules as being arbitrary and unnecessary until he at last discovers their necessity for himself through extensive personal experience.
He may be able to express his views clearly when given the time, but he is not prepared to deal with people who challenge his views and draw him into logical arguments and disputes. For this reason, he is reluctant to publicize new determinations and opinions until he is absolutely sure that they are right and that he can support them thoroughly to anyone who challenges them."
7) ^ I just find this more indicative of Ti-POLR, the timing of this thread, that you post this ‘doubt my ILE-ness’ almost a year after joining the forums, as opposed to when you first started. It seems like you wanted to be more sure of yourself, to refute anyone who doubted you, before opening up discussion at all.
8) @5:40-6:30 Talking about how you get along with IEE’s because they’re ‘awesome’ and ‘great people’, sounds very Fi-subjective to me. I don’t understand why you bring this up, or what this has to do with 1) proving that you’re ILE or 2)disproving you’re IEE. It seems as though the subject evaluations, possible bias, is important to you when drawing conclusions, which is the truest definition of Fi if I can think of one.
9) @7:00-7:10 Haha, all the possibilities. We can definitely agree you’re Ne-ego.
@7:20 Be careful what you call ‘common sense’, what one type perceives as understood, someone else might not even think of.
10) @7:30-8:30 Again, Ti POLR doesn’t mean you can’t compare things, you can. Fi can be used as a tool to make subjective comparisons, in an almost ‘logical’ fashion. It observes different criteria, but the process of synthesizing the information internally, makes it similar to its other introverted judging function, and can come across as a ‘logical’ reasoning process.
11) One thing I’d like to point out, how you’re different than the ILE’s. What I pointed out, my comment for @3:30 in the video, how you are annoyed if things are 'social' or casual. Let’s contrast your behavior to @
1981slater, or @
Aquagraph. You want to move things into a ‘polite debate’, whereas Slater has no problem posting controversial topics like “Always ask a woman to enter a lesbian threesome” or “Never ask a man to delete porn from his hard disk” or “Never ask a man to quit beer”. And then Aqua with his partying, questioning why he can’t have sex in public on a thread. ILE’s tend to question the rules of society, in a freedom-seeking oppositional way. I don’t see that from you at all, Phthalate.
12) I do see you try to make things laid-back, polite, in a manner which reminds me of other IEE’s, like @
Galen or Smalls.
I get the impression you want to be seen as ILE because you’re a scientist, and your arguments you want to be viewed as sensible. There are many IEEs who are also great scientists, and I think you’ll find the open-minded methodical exploration of a subject can be strongly linked to Ne, not necessarily to either Ti or Fi.
Overall I still see you as pretty clearly IEE. Hopefully some of my comments and observations made sense to you. I apologize for the belated response, but I hope you can appreciate the observations, and I ask that IEE be something that you consider.