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Alpha SF problems: I'm of no use!
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Last edited by Aivonaima; 10-18-2012 at 02:38 AM.
"Use every ounce of potential you have, raise revolution against what people expect of you, and tell the world this is not a rehearsal. This is the real me. And listen up, ‘cause it could be the most honest incarnation yet."
I refuse to build any space rockets until someone guarantees that there will be cookies.
1) Buy power tools 2) use power tools 3) become useful
Socionics -
the16types.info
How do I do this thing you speak of?Originally Posted by Saberstorm
"Use every ounce of potential you have, raise revolution against what people expect of you, and tell the world this is not a rehearsal. This is the real me. And listen up, ‘cause it could be the most honest incarnation yet."
just jesting ... never mind.
Socionics -
the16types.info
There are no cookies in outer-space.
I think it's pretty obvious who has the more valuable skill...
So? Isn't being horribly offensive to your friends a big Fi POLR fail? What good are they to criticize you? What good is building a rocket-ship if you have no friends to show it off to, nobody who wants to be around you?
Truth is we all have great potential inside us. It may save you emotional energy if you associate with people who encourage you, rather than discourage you.
P.S. Did you end up breaking into the house?
If anything, I have met alpha SFs who are extremely smart and achiever. And I have also met alpha NTs who are popular and diplomatic. Dualize, people!
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant
--> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
What's admirable about Alpha SF:s imo is their ability to not take things too personally and adapt to different, even unpleasant situations and people so naturally. Their ability to smooth over awkwardness and cheer others is a skill I bet many would kill for. Also, their Si.. from a Se polr's point of view it's totally comparable to magic. It's not just about the cookies and comforts (that are great), but also the way they move and carry their bodies. You can see from afar how perfectly connected they are to the physical world and it's just plain beautiful to me. I can spend ages watching my Alpha SF friends skate or dance and never get bored.
So much this. A lot of time, alpha SF comes up with ideas that I have to be like, "Wellllllll....its a good idea, but it's not very practical....", but I can find a way to twist it, minimize it, and make it work better. You guys are also very good as sounding boards. You're good at listening to me rant and ramble about my latest obsession or ideas, and point out a side of things I hadn't considered that makes me see the issue differently and better resolve it.
On you're own, you're good at taking things you know and working those to your advantage; I feel like once an alpha SF does something, they store it away in a filing cabinet and can look up all the things they've done before to apply in any situation. You guys are very handy to have around. "*wail* my waterproof jacket isn't waterproof anymore; its too old i don't want a new one; I am sentimentally attached to this one; I don't care if water seeps through it, it has GIANT POCKETS THAT ARE MORE IMPORTANT." "There's actually this stuff I used a few years ago *rattles off technical details of things that can make a raincoat waterproof again*"
I feel like I'm always trying to find a new, creative way of doing something with little. I try to be MacGuyver and take what little things I have to make something that will patch together what I need, but SEIs are just like, "You know, you can get xyz for like $2 and it'll fix that in a half hour." >>;
So you're good for more than just cookies and milk.But I can see how an alpha SF would feel a bit left out when it comes to plotting or planning things.
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You mean you're always trying to come up with Si ways of dealing with work-Te? I believe it's the Ne's who come up with the ideas.I feel like I'm always trying to find a new, creative way of doing something with little. I try to be MacGuyver and take what little things I have to make something that will patch together what I need, but SEIs are just like, "You know, you can get xyz for like $2 and it'll fix that in a half hour." >>;
So you're good for more than just cookies and milk.
ROFL
Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Are you calling me SLI now? lol. No, that wasn't what I meant at all. I meant I try something new that hasn't been done before just for the hell of it. if it's already been done and proven effective, then I go and try a different way that may or may not be better. Either way, it's more fun to explore uncharted territory.
"The IEE is keen on accumulating factual knowledge on subjects of personal interest and those that help him be more efficient and productive, but he's often unsure of his ability to find and select the correct information and is therefore attracted to people whom he sees as competent in that area and reassure him. He prizes efficiency,
I'm sorry but that screams out EFFICIENCY TO ME.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
My fellow students have all kinds of types. As far as I can see, there are probably two SEIs and two IEEs among them. But then again, our job involves not "planning" for the purpose of finding a fact-based strategy to keep the city working in a most efficient way, but rather to make things prettier by creating cool concepts and also check out how things will develop over time (both regarding aesthetics and functionality).
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
She said we could slice the window glass with a knife!
You still were the most important member of our expedition group imo. Your presence was a heavy motivational factor to me.
Remember that functions are about the modes of information. Although they usually do correlate with skills, but that's mostly because some types are more prone at adopting certain roles in life which will naturally develop skills needed. Keep in mind that your life's ultimate goal is something that is very suitable for SEIs.
If you would have been a Logical type (which are generally considered more "useful" or "practical"), then there would have been a great chance for you to become socially crippled when keeping in mind some of your asocial tendencies. That would have been counter-productive towards your goals as well.
Homo Sapiens is a pack animal so the ability to cheer up, communicate, make other's laugh etc are very valuable skills in themselves. It just doesn't manifest that clearly in the tangible world.
And it's not like your Dual is the most practical type either. "Hey look at me I can imagine abstract but logically cohesive structures."
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
NOOOo WHY DID YOU TELL THEMMMMMMMShe said we could slice the window glass with a knife!
"Use every ounce of potential you have, raise revolution against what people expect of you, and tell the world this is not a rehearsal. This is the real me. And listen up, ‘cause it could be the most honest incarnation yet."
Glass cutter?NOOOo WHY DID YOU TELL THEMMMMMMM
The diamond-tipped thing you can see on heist movies would have worked. When I mentioned this, she backed off.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
She said we could slice the window glass with a knife!These have to be the most adorable things I've read today hahahahaha.
ILE; INTP
5w6 so; rcUe|I|;
This reminds me of a story from my childhood.She said we could slice the window glass with a knife!
When I was in the lower grades in elementary school (1-2 maybe) I used to share the way with a girl from the neighborhood who also went to the same class (before she moved away). So we walked to the school together occasionally. Since it's pretty dark in the winter when school starts she took a flashlight with her one day. Right outside her house, she switched it on, but it was just faintly glowing. She tried again switch it off and back on, but nothing happened. Then she sticked it in the snow upside-down (for some reason) and tried it again and ta-da! it worked, the beam was strong and bright. Of course she was like "OMG, snow charges batteries!!!!" and I replied something like "Uhm, no. The flashlight had some defective contact and you holding it upside down fixed it for the moment." However, she saw what she saw and insisted on the fact that the snow had actually charged the batteries and that's why it worked.
Sigh.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
Te valuing.
Te Polr valuing.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
My frustration was less based on the weird/unreasonable conclusion, but rather on the fact that she insisted on her explanation of this phenomenon.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
You are a terrible, terrible person.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
But it is cute!
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
Actually, I was watching Looney Tunes at work and thinking how Wiley E Coyote could easily have been an ILE. He would have REALLY benefited from an
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
What can we deduce from what has been said itt:
If everyone was like x, x would be equal to being fucked.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
yeah, its true. your type is kind of useless.
SHUT UP AQUAGRAPH
"Use every ounce of potential you have, raise revolution against what people expect of you, and tell the world this is not a rehearsal. This is the real me. And listen up, ‘cause it could be the most honest incarnation yet."
Listen. I bet you are really fun to be around. Don't worry about being the most brilliant or w/e. I have found out the things I don't feel are insightful are incredibly insightful to others. Just be yourself, be
D-SEI
This is me and my dual being scientific together
Yes.
There are so many things to say about this...
I think it's easier for ESEs to find a job they like and feel useful. SEIs are often more lost.
SEIs should not fear Te situations too much. That's when it really becomes a problem. It is very important to learn some routine in these situations, to be prepared. That's the way to fight the polr, to meet it half way. Let someone else deal with the tricky logistical problems, but learn some basic skills in logistics, because it is needed in almost any job.
Artistically talented SEIs should go for art, design, crafts, music imo. But most SEIs are not talented, of course. That's always an exception regardless of type.
Or "art" in the broader sense of the word. Some SEIs work with lighting in studios, or audio mixing etc. I think this is a good idea.
A mediator, someone who helps people, service. That's what socionics suggests. SEIs can be great at this, but it requires some work experience to free one's talents, because there are often other things involved that need to be learned.
I think it's better to put dreams aside, at least for awile, and try to do what one is actually good at. It can be a surprise.
This sounds like how I think when I'm down on myself....like I'll say yeah SLE has Fi polr but at least they have some Se and have some idea of what people need...or look at IEE Ti polr, no one really cares about Ti anyway...yada yada yada.....
You've got to understand and value your strengths and contributions....they're totally important...the socion would not be complete without you. Everybody has a burden in their weaknesses, but without your strengths society would fail.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Did you think I sounded negative? I actually tried to be constructive and see the talents of a SEI and how they can be put into practise
I just think that SEIs need to partially adapt to what's demanded in working life, because that's the basic skills, the platform, that will allow them to use their strengths also. That's just how reality is.
I also think that many SEI don't see their skills as very important. Instead they are going for some "high end" field where they will be miserable. Not all SEIs of course. That's what I meant when I said it can be good to put dreams aside.
I think my strongest skills would be to help or guide people in some way, maybe help someone who is sick or elderly, or teach people to do some practical stuff. Something that involves relaxed personal communication. Because I am patient and I can adapt myself to the other person automatically. Being close without intruding. But unfortunately I don't really have any ambitions in that field. That's my problem
Did you think I sounded negative? I actually tried to be constructive and see the talents of a SEI and how they can be put into practise
I just think that SEIs need to partially adapt to what's demanded in working life, because that's the basic skills, the platform, that will allow them to use their strengths also. That's just how reality is.
I also think that many SEI don't see their skills as very important. Instead they are going for some "high end" field where they will be miserable. Not all SEIs of course. That's what I meant when I said it can be good to put dreams aside.
I think my strongest skills would be to help or guide people in some way, maybe help someone who is sick or elderly, or teach people to do some practical stuff. Something that involves relaxed personal communication. Because I am patient and I can adapt myself to the other person automatically. Being close without intruding. But unfortunately I don't really have any ambitions in that field. That's my problem
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Find a ILE man, and let him use you
He will be powered by your need for Te, and will explain everything as long as you have questions.
That's how it should be
Bake more cookies and feelings of uselessness are going to go away.
An SEI once told me that cooking is no different than doing chemical lab work. They both involve mixing things together in a certain way. We'll definitely need your help in mixing and creating different chemicals needed to fight off that zombie breakout.
You wouldn't die! Your super SEI powers and cake would placate even the most savage of zombies.
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