Dear SEE types,
Ann and I were discussing if Se types can do what Ne types do in this thread...
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...l=1#post878441
Do you agree that this may also relate to you?
Dear SEE types,
Ann and I were discussing if Se types can do what Ne types do in this thread...
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...l=1#post878441
Do you agree that this may also relate to you?
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Correction: Maritsa is wondering if Se types can step out of their own emotions/values and see things from another's pov.
I was saying that Se types CAN, but it would probably exhaust them to do that regularly, (like for a job), rather than be energized by it like an NF would. But that Se types would be more energized focusing on the external portions of a person's situation and how to alter those, which would likely exhaust an NF type.
For the full conver and context of the OP:
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
I imagine they can, but man does that conversation remind me of some arguments I've had with my ESI brother, and he generally doesn't think that way at all.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
There are different ways of empathizing. Being empathatic is NTR, but the specifics of what throught processes you're using IMO are.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
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Last edited by mfckr; 12-25-2014 at 02:18 AM.
I act on occasion and empathy is my job when I do, it doesn't exhaust me at all.
I would say slacker is right, empathy is probably not type related.
Easy Day
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not
This forum is getting to be such a joke. Anything even vaguely possibly related to Ni is the sole property of Ni, but anything at all related to Ne is NTR.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Definitely can, but as anndelise said, it a lot of that would prove exhausting because it requires a certain readjustment in processing information than what is natural for the person (of the SEE type) but it can be done but perhaps with less clarity and ease than for the IEE type individual. We can't "see" everything, after all.
Of course, the SEE can hold his or her own empathetic process that is probably based on direct experience in the past or present, such as being "there" at the time when something happened to personally take in the immediate circumstances of the event that requires empathy.
Yes, although to some extent that is splitting hairs, and a lot of people feeling sympathy but not empathy are not going to realize what they're actually feeling, and you won't be able to convince them that they're really feeling sympathy but not empathy. So anyway it might be beside the point.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
imo empathy could be vaguely correlated w/ F functions but not N. i say vaguely because a lot of what we understand as empathy is picking up on emotional and social cues when empathy is a lot more instinctual than that. if you punch a child in the nose, every person in the room is going to "feel" it regardless. watching a poor man starve to death isn't any more tragic for a delta nf than anyone else. what delta nfs are good at essentially isn't empathy per se but providing alternate perspectives, explaining people's motivations, perspectives, subjective points of view. how it differs from gamma sfs is that deltas' approach is very generic and the "perspectives" could be applied to an array of different situations because they're the "likely" options of how things must be like and how people are like. i find gamma sfs to be more narrow-focused and specfic than that, holding off until they're personally familiar with those people/situations or giving advice/explaining others' povs tailored from and for said situation.
I believe that Delta Fi is more an overarching thought of empathy of humanity rather (or having humanity in mind when thinking of empathy) than more towards individuals, even though Delta Fi can choose individuals to love and have genuine feelings for.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Again, Maritsa, I think you're moving toward the idea that Delta NF is more evolved or something than other types.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Observing other people's emotions and repeating it is Fe; but true empathy is expressing your own emotions about what you felt. I believe what she did in that thread was not include her feelings but tried to tell everyone how things/emotions of the atmosphere was going.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
this is absolutely perfect perfect.
another thing re: this, i went to school for human services which incorporates aspects of both psychology and social work and worked briefly in the field. i know from experience and a lot of introspection that i dealt with while in that area of my life that i am much more comfortable and feel more helpful being able to provide tangible services for people (bus tokens, helping them with paperwork) than i am trying to put myself in their shoes with emotional problems that they're going through, especially if i don't know them and their situation is a blank slate to me, in which case i get kind of freaked out trying to offer help without a lot of contextual background, even if i do sympathize a lot with their situation.
Hmm I think true empathy is putting yourself in someone else's place, allowing yourself to feel what they're feeling (or trying I guess), and maybe acting upon that. But not about expressing your own emotions. It's more taking in and sharing than expressing. IMO.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
.
Last edited by mfckr; 12-25-2014 at 02:16 AM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Punching a child in the nose isn't black humor.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
No, a picture of a kid getting punched in the face wouldn't be funny.
Dark humor is funny due to context, so there has to be some context that is amusing, but I can't imagine any situation where a kid getting punched in the face would be funny.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
if they actually showed the cat getting hit, it wouldn't be funny, because it would pass over to cruel. But the idea of the kids misunderstanding the idea of a pinata is what's funny with that.
I think you have a problem understanding context and that's your problem with dark humor. I don't think this is a socionics issue.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I think she is referring to things like "funniest home videos" or such, where a parent is yawning and stretching and accidently punches his wild-running kid in the face, knocking the kid flat and a stunned look on the kids face...kind of thing.
The ones where a viewer can both flinch and laugh at the same time.
Edited to add: sorry Slacker, I was writing up as you were posting. Your response above also applies to my example here.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
Ooooh, well in that case sometimes it's empathy that creates the humor. Like you can put yourself in the place and remember or imagine yourself making that mistake.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Last edited by mfckr; 12-25-2014 at 02:18 AM.
It depends on what I feel like. In my experience most actors as inexperienced as I am don't really have a set method. In fact some more experienced actors approach different roles with different methods too, it depends on how challenging they think the character is mostly. If they think the character is harder to play they are more willing to branch out and try new things in order to connect to it sort of.
Easy Day
I'm certainly not holding any silly notions about me being able to convince her but I do what I do for the sport of it.
She actually changes her mind sometimes but she rarely, if ever, admits it. It's just as if nothing happened.
I don't rely that this change is due to those who speak against her but do remember that she feels like she's being supervised by most people.
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