EIIs-INFjs on cursing and swearing
Seeing as EII is the type that sort of most readily wants to not offend anyone, how readily do you swear around people you've just met? If you are (or know) an EII do they sort of get a feel for a person before they drop some cuss words, or if they are a person who does cuss do they do it whenever they feel?
Or do you know EIIs who don't have a problem at all with foul language but tend not to use it themselves?
What are your experiences and opinions?
Easy Day
Not very readily at all. I don't even around ppl I love and am comfortable with; I will say "shit" when something goes wrong. I can't imagine an EII being comfortable with cursing.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I didn't say NEVER, radio you suck.Originally Posted by Maritsa33
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
itt, Radio never suggested you said never.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
yes
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
It's more about the realization of one's coolness rather than becoming a cool kid. You always were one of the cool kids imo.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
Ann, do you want me to love you and pay attention to you?
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I don't understand why certain people don't swear, having access to those words gives a person more impact, edginess, and power in there communication. Saying something "politically correct" that doesn't use swear words doesn't really change the core meaning of the message just how its delivered. Saying something offensive in a nice way can in some ways be more annoying than just saying something like "go fuck yourself". Being politically correct about something that's offensive is a bit like someone ringing the doorbell finding a nice package with a bowtie and wrapping paper and a card, then opening it up and getting punched in the face.... does the fact it was delivered in nice wrapping paper and presentation make you feel better or worse about it?
Naturally I'd be inclined to believe EII and ESI's would the types to do this based on their Fe-base function. The problem with this is Fi-base doesn't mean being "moral, nice, proper, ethical" it is a style of feeling/ethics in relating to people fixated on the relationships between individual entities, so socially one could expect as Fi-base to be highly developed at understanding how certain people would react to swearing and how it is received. For this reason I could imagine them being politically correct, but politically correct with the core motivation being how the person responds to things. Fi-Role is more likely to be politically correct out of a certain need to be proper and follow a code or rules of conduct. Fi-base the rules and shoulds and should nots are less important than the actual impact it has empathetically on the person receiving the message.
I think Fi-PoLR would naturally clash with EII and ESI because their Fi-base is focused on this end of considering the impact empathetically on people in a social situation, where as Fi-PoLR are relatively undeveloped at this and don't really care, they are much more focused on the Fe-Hidden Agenda, and using their base function Se or Ne in combination with Ti in the environment, adapting quickly to the environment and thinking of the logical nature of the interaction and events. This rapid adaption, logical focus, and ignorance to relational ethics to the EII and ESI I'd imagine would come off as sort of shallow and chaotic.
Finally EII's I think have a mean of relating to ILE's and ESI's have a means to relate to SLE's. Even though their base function clashes with the Fi-PoLR the Fi-PoLR's base function feeds their creative function so I'm guessing in part there is some bridge of understanding between the individuals. Any one know the name of such an interaction?
I also think that interacting with conflictors is good overtime as it helps strengthen a person's weakness and helps them develop, the tricky part is too much time interacting with conflictors can lead to stress spiking up. I'd think finding that happy medium where you can interact just enough to get a taste of something foreign but not enough for it to be toxic to your psychological system. I think this in contrast to those that are of the school that believe conflictors should always be avoided and loathed. They are people too and I think its possible to appreciate them -- but at a distance because its best for both parties involved. Another way of thinking about it is the amount of energy invested into the relationship versus the resulting connection. Conflictors have the least efficient energy to result, but are most efficient at forcing you develop a robust psychology by forcing you to focus on your weaknesses.
Fuck yo couch!
huh?
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Sorry maritsa. It's a metaphor.
Was Rick James EII? That would be a whole new level of hilarious for that joke. Then it turns from him being an asshole from him making an Si-valuing assessment of an uncomfortable couch and working to make sure that the problem is rectified... by destroying the couch.
It makes perfect sense you see.
Easy Day
My EII sister would NEVER use even slightly coarse language.
I have an EII neighbor I've never heard swear, but I don't know if she has an issue with it like my sister.
Another EII friend - I don't think I've heard her swear either.
I don't think this is an absolute but they are probably less likely to use coarse language than the average.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
How coarse is coarse in your experiences with these people? Are the 'lighter' words acceptable like bitch or ass?
Easy Day
Sometimes I do readily want to offend others. I don't think being Fi base means you'll always be rainbows and sunshine, it just means you pay attention to and understand what you could say to offend or not offend others. That's sort of an upper-hand in communication, I think, in some ways. Anyway, sometimes I say shit for the sole purpose of pissing people off and I might do it because I don't like them, or I think the things they say are dumb.
My candid use of language is often speckled with colourful metaphors involving sexual acts and/or genitalia, but I'm wary of whom I'm speaking to and I wouldn't do it in front of people get hung up on certain words, or flinch at the graphic imagery. It doesn't mean I like it that way, though, I'm never comfortable with those people and we'd never go past being formal. I'm comfortable around people who are okay with me swearing my head off.
I know INFjs who would never swear though, and while they look adorable and meek and harmless, they have an undercurrent of bigotry and hatred for people not doing things the "right way", having this judgmental streak against people who don't love humanity the right way or who laugh at dark humour and so forth. I think, among many other things, this is one of the biggest weaknesses native to INFjs.
Out of the ones I know, there are IXFjs who are cool with pretty much everything but they don't swear themselves or don't prefer that sort of language, though they aren't pedantic about it. I know another INFj who swears as much as I do, but it's more ironic and not-really-taking-oneself-seriously kind of way. I don't know any INFjs who would dump swear words without consideration, though, there's always a testing period where they try to get a feel for what the other person is like before opening up. IME, anyway.
I swear a lot, just not usually in front of other people. I have a bad habit of dropping cluster F-bombs when aggravated.
Edit: I have surprised a couple of people by swearing. It's probably somewhere in-between my religion and coming off like such a sweet kid.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
They could never!
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
*flips him off*They could never!
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Wait, you said "him"? Oh. I don't get it.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
It was directed at you.
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
Yes, I do have a penis and she doesn't, hence the "him", not the "her". I deduced it that far. And I guessed I figured it the rest of it.It was directed at you.
Maybe I just find it confusing sometimes when people 'attack' (in the wide sense of the term) obvious troll-ish facades I put on.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
I know 15 EIIs and they don't swear. I know 17 LSEs as well, including me, and they don't swear as well.
I will permanently ignore anyone who calls me a B or a C word. -My morality; everyone else should too.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Really? who?
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Ver was one of them.
There has been at least one other than me and her, though. I just can,t remember at the moment who/when.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
I know what you mean and I don't want to sound semantic but when categorizing people.. ain't it almost always about what the difference in average? About only, mostly minor, correlations? If you want to single out what types do, their external activities are always varying in degrees, every type does X, and it's only a matter of how much and how does the type - often - do it.
So it's okay to call people shit if they are dealing with the immense burden that is being intolerantly stupid.. ..AS FAR as you don't call them as cunt or bitch.
I'll shut up and go back to spectating if this turns to Delta NF battleground.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
*lays kitty litter over the blood to soak it in, then sweeps it all up so Aqua can have a clean(er) room*
Edited to add: I tried!!
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
Cursing is uncouth. I do it anyway, but try not to do it around close friends/family or when talking about things I care about. It is merely a word, of course, but there are much better words, especially in English.
SELECTIVE MEMORY
(yeah ok i couldn't find the other one so maybe you didn't say it to two people but someone else called you a bitch or something along those lines. anyway, the point is, you haven't exactly been pleasant to people here so don't demand respect when you can't give it.)
Hmmm, I had thought the @Ver one was in Ver's what's-my-type thread.
I do remember Maritsa calling someone a bitch in their own typing thread.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
That's because she is a humanist.
User kissmyshinyarse was unpleasant to you as well. You know what to do.
Very. She even got a Warning from that.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
Was that Ver; now she's on ignore and so is Ann. And...another story for another time.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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