OK Maritsa, so what type do you think I am now?

[Beautiful sky]

People, I don't take sides; I may agree or disagree with you; I may point out something interesting you've said that I've also noticed, but I'm not going to EVER say that such and such a person is better or somehow more important than another person. I'm just not like that; to me there is no type that is good or bad; there is no type that is better than worse than another; every single type has its ups and downs, and every single human being comes with unique life experiences.

Please don't antagonize others in the name of me. I can stick up for myself and I will. I'm not a victim type and I don't play dead when faced with challenges. Nor do I or will I ever blame other human beings.

[Ver]

I like what you wrote Martisa and I hope to see that .

[FoxOnStilts]

~

[Slacker]

Hmm I've been teased for exaggerating like that before. Not just IRL either - I think I've been teased here, in chat. Though that seems like a very small thing to use for typing someone.

[Aquagraph]

Taunting other members, and telling them to dance for your amusement...

Is wrong.

Welcome to internet.

It's probably also deserved. If I leave my cash in the middle of a shopping center, somebody will steal it within an hour. You can say that the thief was wrong to do that but if he wouldn't have taken it, another one would have stolen it. If you are a retard in the internet, someone will pick you.

Our virtue is best tested when two factors are present:
1. We are among the (usually relatively small) group who can make it count
2. The group size is limited by the sense of social cohesion

Everything else is sentimentalism, ideologies or otherwise totally out of touch with practice. Like Maritsa.

[Aquagraph]

How are you not aristocratic Aqua.

It's probably the most confusing of all Reinin dichotomies on my part as I have lots of Aristocratic tendencies.

But the thing I said was something which goes hand in hand with social sciences.

[Aivonaima]

Welcome to internet.

That's no excuse for behaving like an ass, you know.

I'm sorry about sticking my big nose into places it doesn't belong, and I'm sorry for posting this into someone else's typing thread, but I just. I just. I just want to say this quickly, because reading this thread (and a couple of others) have left me feeling kind of sad. Now please keep in mind I'm not blaming anyone for anything, we all do stupid, human mistakes and have a couple of bad moments every now and then. But.

Being an ass ruins the air for everyone. For us. For you and the other(s) and everyone else around. And because we can't control anyone else than ourselves, it's up to us, up to every individual, to make this a nice community.

Because I can't make anyone else do anything if they don't choose to do so, I'm gonna start with apologizing for every mean word I've said here and every time I've lost my temper. Forgive me. I can't promise I will never repeat that kinda behaviour again, but I'll try my best. Even if it's

sentimentalism, ideologies or otherwise totally out of touch with practice. Like Maritsa.

If some people like it rough, then ok, be it so. I can dig that too in a way. Some probably can't. Everyone can choose what kind of things they want to bring to this community. But I just felt like I really wanted to say this right now. As a reminder, at least to myself.

[JWC3]

Who says? You?
Fuck you.

Well... I suppose even the devil needs an advocate.

[Valkyrie]

She does. She also bullies them, stalks them, and doesn't respect their opinions. Maritsa really isn't a victim.

...because obviously it's justified to be mean to someone if the person is a forum 'felon'.
Imo, that still shouldn't be justification for hostile actions back.

If she really is that bad, then.. banning her would make more sense than to let her continue insulting and in turn encouraging more insulting back at her. It's exactly as aivonua said, it poisons the atmosphere of a community. But it seems this community likes things this way. And as a new member I have no place to talk... and.. nobody's making me stay here.. so i can't really complain. I just find it sad.

[Slacker]

LOL It's hilarious to see the calvary rush in to her defense. I have more history with her than you have, and I have reasons for why I do what I do. If you don't agree, fine, do something else.

[Beautiful sky]

I don't need a calvary; baby, I AM THE CALVARY.

[glam]

I don't need a calvary; baby, I AM THE CALVARY.

lol come to Beta, Maritsa

[Beautiful sky]

lol come to Beta, Maritsa

I love you.

[Slacker]

I know very well you don't need a calvary. Why do people think you're this meek thing who can't handle an argument? They haven't seen you in action.

[Beautiful sky]

I know very well you don't need a calvary. Why do people think you're this meek thing who can't handle an argument? They haven't seen you in action.

If you have to do the right thing in life, sometimes that takes braveness, honor, ability to stick up for those who can't. That requires taking action and not being a passive person. That's exactly what Maria Schriver does, championing causes is a Good honest EII thing to do.

[JWC3]

How are you not aristocratic Aqua.

I tend to find that how often people sort of don't fit into the Reinin dichotomies makes it pretty obvious that they are stupid.

The dichotomies, not the people.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I tend to find that how often people sort of don't fit into the Reinin dichotomies makes it pretty obvious that they are stupid.

The dichotomies, not the people.

'S alright; tell us how you really feel.

[JWC3]

'S alright; tell us how you really feel.

Well I like long walks on the beach...

[jet city woman]

...because obviously it's justified to be mean to someone if the person is a forum 'felon'.
Imo, that still shouldn't be justification for hostile actions back.

If she really is that bad, then.. banning her would make more sense than to let her continue insulting and in turn encouraging more insulting back at her. It's exactly as aivonua said, it poisons the atmosphere of a community. But it seems this community likes things this way. And as a new member I have no place to talk... and.. nobody's making me stay here.. so i can't really complain. I just find it sad.

Yea, it's basically a hostile atmosphere, and retarded. Ahhh, you get used to looking over it tho after awhile, and just ignore it or take it lightly.

[Aquagraph]

I love the hostility and the outright toxicity of the social atmosphere. It gives an excellent contrast to local niceness.

Take this with a grain of salt but..
If you don't like drama, then why is, say, NewBornStar so liked?

[willekeurig]

If you don't like drama, then why is, say, NewBornStar so liked?

I have trouble seeing NBS as hostile or aggressive. He's sure likes to amuse people, but he's also very jovial and flexible and tries not to hurt anyone.

[Aquagraph]

I have trouble seeing NBS as hostile or aggressive.

Maybe not that hostile since he's shitslinging is so random. But he is aggressive.

[Slacker]

I'm surprised people see me as hostile and aggressive. That seems soooooooooo unlikle me, at least IRL. Maybe I come across differently here? I can't imagine anyone seeing me as aggressive. It feels bizarre.

[Aivonaima]

I'm surprised people see me as hostile and aggressive. That seems soooooooooo unlikle me, at least IRL. Maybe I come across differently here?

Same here! It's the curse of the internet. People can't really see me smile and hear the soft, happy tones in my voice. Didn't even know people thought of me as a total little meanie before one guy actually told me he thought I was a fuckwad who just wanted to make people feel bad. Later, we met, got to know to each other and he actually declared that I'm one of the sweetest, nicest, friendliest and the most righteous people he knows.

I think it's up to you whether you want to keep your style or give people impressions closer to what you are in real life. I decided to let them meet half way.

And about the aggressiveness discussed here... I think sarcasm is fun, but if it's constantly aimed at one person or intended to be degrading to someone, it's fucking nasty. That's when it stops being all jokes and turns into bullying. Check yourselves. Most of us are here probably because of the will to understand ourselves and others better. Trying to turn our backs to our weak or sore spots by being nasty at others is no good way of pursuing that.

[willekeurig]

Maybe not that hostile since he's shitslinging is so random. But he is aggressive.

He may come across as aggressive to some, but I still don't see him that way. I've never felt he's attacking me mentally or emotionally or any other kind of way - the negative/furious/grave vibe associated with aggressiveness is pretty non-existent, even if he uses potentionally offensive language. It's hard for me to see anyone as aggressive when his body language/facial expressions are so full of Fe-positiveness and he tries to make a compromise instantly if there's a change of someone getting upset. I personally see e.g you as way more aggressive than him, though this could also be due to the XNFj similarities that allow me to understand his thought processes better.

[Aquagraph]

He may come across as aggressive to some, but I still don't see him that way. I've never felt he's attacking me mentally or emotionally or any other kind of way - the negative/furious/grave vibe associated with aggressiveness is pretty non-existent, even if he uses potentionally offensive language. It's hard for me to see anyone as aggressive when his body language/facial expressions are so full of Fe-positiveness and he tries to make a compromise instantly if there's a change of someone getting upset. I personally see e.g you as way more aggressive than him, though this could also be due to the XNFj similarities that allow me to understand his thought processes better.

I use the term aggression in a bit more wider sense.

1.
characterized by or tending toward unprovoked offensives, attacks, invasions, or the like; militantly forward or menacing: aggressive acts against a neighboring country.
2.
making an all-out effort to win or succeed; competitive: an aggressive basketball player.
3.
vigorously energetic, especially in the use of initiative and forcefulness: an aggressive salesperson.
4.
boldly assertive and forward; pushy: an aggressive driver.[...]

In this sense I'm passive (aggressive) and withdrawn in comparison.

[Radio]

...because obviously it's justified to be mean to someone if the person is a forum 'felon'.
Imo, that still shouldn't be justification for hostile actions back.

If she really is that bad, then.. banning her would make more sense than to let her continue insulting and in turn encouraging more insulting back at her. It's exactly as aivonua said, it poisons the atmosphere of a community. But it seems this community likes things this way. And as a new member I have no place to talk... and.. nobody's making me stay here.. so i can't really complain. I just find it sad.

idk i don't like censorship, i don't like bans unless there's threat of legal action involved. i don't like people holding off their feelings and filtering their words constantly until they have to explode in a hissy fit of passive aggression. i don't think maritsa should be banned unless she threatens to stalk/harass other members; she's just a mild nuisance. i like how things are out in the open here, it's refreshing and why i've stuck around this forum for so long. i can express myself without fear of offending other people and/or getting banned.

[munenori2]

Maritsa has been banned several times before, such as the time she posted "SHOW ME THE PROOF SHOW ME THE PROOF" about 3 consecutive times in like, 20 threads where someone disagreed with her without posting a profile shot "proving" their type by neck shape. The only thing that seems to work is not engaging, which is really not helped when threads like these are started.

the good old days

[Absurd]

[anndelise]

I'm surprised people see me as hostile and aggressive. That seems soooooooooo unlikle me, at least IRL. Maybe I come across differently here? I can't imagine anyone seeing me as aggressive. It feels bizarre.

One person's "aggressiveness" is another person's "assertiveness" or "stubborness".
There was one guy back before ineffable, name started w a P I think, but I'm not sure...
Anyways, he was an alpha nt who kept saying things, making assertions, that irked many of the Delta NFs. Some of them started standing up to this guy's assertions. But it always seemed to be interpreted as the Delta NFs being "aggressive" to him. I recall you as being part of that (as was I).

I think that the EXFp obstinancy can easily be interpreted as aggressive. Especially if someone else is saying something is objectively true, rather than keeping it as a subjective thing. Not just one or two times, but on a consistant and widespread basis. If you keep saying "No! That,s not true!" enough times, then it's "you" who's being aggressive towards this person and their ideas,...and not the person who is constantly spewing crap and dissing people.

[Beautiful sky]

Maritsa has been banned several times before, such as the time she posted "SHOW ME THE PROOF SHOW ME THE PROOF" about 3 consecutive times in like, 20 threads where someone disagreed with her without posting a profile shot "proving" their type by neck shape. The only thing that seems to work is not engaging, which is really not helped when threads like these are started.

Does it seem to satisfy you to call me on things I've said before, just like Ann does?

[Slacker]

One person's "aggressiveness" is another person's "assertiveness" or "stubborness".
There was one guy back before ineffable, name started w a P I think, but I'm not sure...
Anyways, he was an alpha nt who kept saying things, making assertions, that irked many of the Delta NFs. Some of them started standing up to this guy's assertions. But it always seemed to be interpreted as the Delta NFs being "aggressive" to him. I recall you as being part of that (as was I).

I think that the EXFp obstinancy can easily be interpreted as aggressive. Especially if someone else is saying something is objectively true, rather than keeping it as a subjective thing. Not just one or two times, but on a consistant and widespread basis. If you keep saying "No! That,s not true!" enough times, then it's "you" who's being aggressive towards this person and their ideas,...and not the person who is constantly spewing crap and dissing people.

Oh god, Phaedrus.

[Beautiful sky]

Oh god, Phaedrus.

Trend...

Does it seem to satisfy you to call me on things I've said before, just like Ann does?

Trend....

[Slacker]

Huh? I hadn't even thought of him in ages. I was trying to think of who annoyed me whose name started with P.

[jet city woman]

I think that the EXFp obstinancy can easily be interpreted as aggressive. Especially if someone else is saying something is objectively true, rather than keeping it as a subjective thing. Not just one or two times, but on a consistant and widespread basis. If you keep saying "No! That,s not true!" enough times, then it's "you" who's being aggressive towards this person and their ideas,...and not the person who is constantly spewing crap and dissing people.

I wouldn't assume that because someone determines a thought "true" or "not true", that they mean it's objectively true or not true. I say "not true" or "true" often, but it means "not true" or "true" from my standpoint. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. (Not that you do this, but just figured I would make the point. I think in terms of "true" or "not true", so I express myself this way, and it isn't meant to be taken personally. It's more like saying, "I disagree.") Sometimes it's really not true according to resources, though, but I still wouldn't call that "objective". I don't determine very many ideas to be "objective", even Te-dom "objective" ideas lol (I find some of them to be exaggerations and therefore, subjective)...... I find that many people assume and that's why they become disturbed. I personally don't find someone telling me my ideas are "true" or "not true" to them, to be "dissing me" personally, or "spewing crap". I think that's taking it too personally. But I do find calling others' ideas "stupid" or other direct insults, to be obviously aggressive.

[anndelise]

Oh god, Phaedrus.

Haha, yeah, that's the guy.

[Beautiful sky]

Huh? I hadn't even thought of him in ages. I was trying to think of who annoyed me whose name started with P.

So you don't notice trends?

[Slacker]

Huh? I don't know. You seem to like picking out tiny bits of irrelevant information out of people's posts rather than looking at the overall big picture of who anyone is. That's a trend.

[Beautiful sky]

Huh? I don't know. You seem to like picking out tiny bits of irrelevant information out of people's posts rather than looking at the overall big picture of who anyone is. That's a trend.

That was just a simple question; that's all.

[World Socionics]

I know Foxy personally, as in, we have spent a long duration of time in eachother's company. From my superior experience of her, I can safely say she is a very strong candidate for ILE and not IEE.