Quote Originally Posted by stray View Post
I thought EIIs were supposed to be less individualistic about ideals, since their Ne incorporates various perspectives, trying to find the "big picture". Hence, the "martyr" labels, self-sacrificing, rather than more self affirming. Even the label "Dostoevsky" is supposed to be about that, illustrating how he could dig deep into the psychology of other people and present their perspectives (For example, Dostoevsky said the "Underground Man" from Notes from Underground was nothing like him, even though it's one of the most vivid portraits of someone's inner life).

Anyways, this is probably off the point.
we are less individualistic about ideals and more humanistic as in our single ideal encompasses all of humanity and our outlook on all of humanity, this is the reason why we're able to step outside of individual expectations of us and be ourselves and say what we want without other's exceptions of us. We take those perspectives and shape them into our own value structure.