If you are anti-gay, you do not understand Christianity

[tcaudilllg]

Agree?

[aixelsyd]

Agreed. Also reflects a shoddy understanding of the Bible, more than anything. So when the Bible is used as a basis (and the real only basis) for being anti-gay, it asks for many facepalms.

And I'll be fair to admit I listened to other people and their interpretation of the Bible when I was a religious extremist back in the day, but it doesn't excuse my own idiocy.

[jet city woman]

True, if your views are those of following "Christian" beliefs. True Christianity based on biblical scripture is not anti-gay, with the proper message taken. Unfortunately, alot (perhaps most) "Christians" listen to what others tell them to believe vs. reading and trying to understand the Bible.
But, you can be anti-gay without your ideas being linked to "Christianity" at all, although I find it highly unlikely in this country. In this case, "Christianity" would have nothing to do with an anti-gay stance.

[Trevor]

nope

[Absurd]

Biblical story of Sodom is misinterpreted for starters.

[DirectorAbbie]

Anti-gay, yes. Anti-gay people, no.

[Radio]

Nope.

+ who even cares religion is a horrible disease that needs to be gotten rid of.

[Pa3s]

religion is a horrible disease that needs to be gotten rid of.

To destroy religion*, you must destroy faith.

To destroy faith, you must destroy humankind.



*and all its equivalents

[Radio]

To destroy religion*, you must destroy faith.

To destroy faith, you must destroy humankind.



*and all its equivalents

I think we're at a point where there is no cultural necessity for a centralized religion. I think it's fine to have faith, in fact it's more than fine; it's human. It bothers me when this faith is assumed to hold equal importance for every individual. I don't think that's true. It may be useful for some people but not necessarily for everyone. Whatever floats your boat. The idea of a "universal" God and the homogeneity of belief might have historically had a major part in tying together individuals/groups under a common umbrella, but like I said, we're past the point culturally where -- at least in more educated regions of the world -- religion is not the primary factor in deciding which social group we belong to.

If there's a need for a substitute then maybe we need to reach out to a more personal God, a deity that speaks to your sense of right and wrong, and doesn't impose that onto others, a deity that recognizes the subjectivity of interpretation, who doesn't assume that norms would never change, who doesn't assume knowledge of science (later to be proven wrong). And which may take take you to your own personal heaven.

[rat1]

With these religious questions people generally seem more interested in preserving their bubbles of misplaced control than stripping away their egos to discover true beliefs. The question remains, nagging from within. And then life tends to press and repress the issue... This is the one topic which will never go away.

I think the answer to the OP is obvious, which abbie gave. Still, the gay question is so over discussed due to aggressive denial / projections of male teens scapegoating gays, that the issue is perceived much larger in the culture than it is. As each of us do so many things either directly or indirectly resulting in harm, the scope of our problems is so far exceeding gay rights that it's bizarre we still bother with this one issue.. I think people already know to respect gays and treat them humanely, and the few who don't are usually dealt with.

It's an issue, but while we're at it let's talk about Al Queda being a CIA run organization to infiltrate arabic nations and generate terrorism as a justification for war to the american public. Or maybe that's too large scale. Alright, let's talk about the time I spend in front of this screen and how I'm neglecting the people in my life; and how that neglect changes the way the people around me go about their lives. Or maybe we should talk about how 96 percent of males are now addicted to porn by the age of 15, and how this is going to split the sexes apart to where for the first time, love between the sexes will almost no longer exist; and how this in turn will effect the world as a whole. Or how about the ritualistic brainwashing we have all been exposed to from childhood which is present in all media, rooted in the kabbalist religion which also happens to be the religion of the ruling class; and how this is specifically aimed at riling us into chaotic behaviors, and getting us fighting amongst eachother.

Or we can go back to collecting fap material and crying about the evils of religion, as we wither away in wombs of denial.

[JWC3]

Agree?

Absolutely not, There are plenty of religions that condemn homosexuality, not just Christianity as well as plenty of people who condemn homosexuality with no religious background at all.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

as well as plenty of people who condemn homosexuality with no religious background at all.

I think that's an important fact for people to remember. I think the gay rights movement can kinda treat religious people unfairly sometimes. I remember one time I had this assholeish athiest kid say to my face that he thought homosexuality was a mental disease and that "Many professional psychologists agreed with him." I mean he seriously said that to my face, in real life. .

Religious nutjobs are an easy target because they tend to have the IQ of a gnat, but there are plenty of anti-gay people that actually have high intelligence levels.

[JWC3]

I think that's an important fact for people to remember. I think the gay rights movement can kinda treat religious people unfairly sometimes. I remember one time I had this assholeish athiest kid say to my face that he thought homosexuality was a mental disease and that "Many professional psychologists agreed with him." I mean he seriously said that to my face, in real life. .

Religious nutjobs are an easy target because they tend to have the IQ of a gnat, but there are plenty of anti-gay people that actually have high intelligence levels.

I mean I think that's part of living in Michigan. I was doing a Haunted Hay Ride once, as an actor, and one of the kids says: "You're into theatre? Do you know any of those homos? I hate homos. Cept lesbians."

I mean outside of specific niches I feel like it's a fairly intolerant state regardless of intelligence.

[Beautiful sky]

Christianity replaces the tedious and combersome laws of the old testiment. The whole message and clear glass view of Christianity and my view of it is this:

God loves you
You should love God
You should love your neighbor like you want to be loved.

I want my gay neighbors to love me as a Christian or any other human. It's interesting when you look at people through a clear glass with very little clutter of laws and other things that you want to make to suppress their civil rights isn't it?

I honestly don't think that these extreme so called Christian Fundamentalists realize that when they advocate an amendment to the First Const. banning gay marriage that what they are really asking for in return is that it would be okay for someone else to make limitations on their own freedom; how about something like "take my kids away if I don't meet your expectations of me."

My opinion; keep wiping the fog off your window and maybe that will help you think better.

[DirectorAbbie]

Christianity replaces the tedious and combersome laws of the old testiment.

You need spellcheck.

The New Testament does not replace the Old Testament. It continues the story.

Furthermore Seven Deadly Sins don't mean what you think they mean.

I think they mean "seven things you should avoid." Am I close?

[Absurd]

I think they mean "seven things you should avoid." Am I close?

Nope. I'm going to mention a couple only.

Greed - A person can have many material things and not be greedy. It boils down to the way a person wants, nothing is ever enough, nothing satisfies.

And,

Lust - this one is the most misunderstood and distorted actually. In Timothy, Paul states that anyone preventing the natural union of male and female, or preaching against it, is a demon. He says the same thing about people preaching against the consumption of animal meat.

[tcaudilllg]

Paul, who was named Saul, was an ass.

[Absurd]

Paul, who was named Saul, was an ass.

Well yes, I'm not exactly the biggest fan of him, although, Paul was a Hellenic Jew, well versed in literature so he knew and could distinguish Thanatos from Zoos.

[DirectorAbbie]

Paul, who was named Saul, was an ass.

I think he was a .

[Beautiful sky]

You need spellcheck.

The New Testament does not replace the Old Testament. It continues the story.

That was a mistake, it didn't replace it because Jesus said that not one word of the old Test. should be changed; however, he did add two new things that is that you should love God and that you should love your neighbors as you would want to be loved.

So, how can anyone stand to shout mean things at gay people with their anti-gay rights slogans and still say they love them? Isn't this sinister?

[DirectorAbbie]

So, how can anyone stand to shout mean things at gay people with their anti-gay rights slogans and still say they love them? Isn't this sinister?

Shouting at gays is rude. Just inform them that they're sinning and get on with life.

I figure since there's no such thing as gay marriage (I don't care what politics say. It's impossible.), gay sex is the same thing as sex out of wedlock. And that's bad.

conservative Christians have had very little inanition but to elect those candidates who were against supporting the poor with their anti Social agenda as we can see with the Republican party, yet again.

You bet I'm against the government supporting the poor! That just encourages people not to bother trying. If people actually need help, there are plenty of helpful people and organizations not associated with the government that can assist them.

That's really a pathetic argument, isn't it. You change God's design every day with your interest in technological equipment, like using a fridge.

No. God designed us to be creative and productive and take care of our bodies. Someone created the refrigerator as a machine that will do the job of preserving food so we don't end up eating stuff that has gone bad. By "God's design" I don't mean how the world should be, but how it should work.

[Beautiful sky]

Agree?

I agree; if you're anti-gay not only do you not understand Christianity, but you're not Christian. You can start towing your bible around, thump your feet, shout and declare your Christianity to the world. YOU ARE NOT CHRISTIAN.

Anti-gay, yes. Anti-gay people, no.

Do you like black people? OOOOOhhhh tricky huh? Well, you better start thinking about that, girlfriend.

[ArchonAlarion]

[willekeurig]

I quite liked the ad campaign the parishes of Helsinki had a few years ago here

"Jesus digs you unconditionally"

("Jesse" is a slang nickname for jesus, but i couldn't think of an English equilevant)

[DirectorAbbie]

I agree; if you're anti-gay not only do you not understand Christianity, but you're not Christian. You can start towing your bible around, thump your feet, shout and declare your Christianity to the world. YOU ARE NOT CHRISTIAN.

Do you even know what a Christian is? If you aren't a Christian, you shouldn't claim to know more about it than the Christians do. God designed marriage to be between a man and a woman. Changing God's design is wrong. And what would throwing a Bible accomplish?

Do you like black people? OOOOOhhhh tricky huh? Well, you better start thinking about that, girlfriend.

Why wouldn't I like black people? They're rare around these parts and I can't help but look with fascination when I see someone truly black, but it's nothing I have to think about. They're just as likely to be good or bad as anyone else.

Yes, I'm racist. But we're all still the human race. It's those orcs I'm prejudiced against.

[Absurd]

I don't know whether someone finds this interesting or not, but here goes nothing.

There are nine outer behaviours which one might call "sins". Those behaviours are not exactly sins is what I mean.

Who is Not in the Kingdom - and Never Was, hence Shall not Inherit the Kingdom literally means not-right with the self as in un-righteous and of course, it was misinterpreted to mean "moral" like most things in the Bible.

St. Paul used the word Thanatos to refer to those people, people manifesting those nine outer behaviours.

Furthermore Seven Deadly Sins don't mean what you think they mean.

[Aquagraph]

This picture is not criticism. I thought it was just fairly amusing.

If I want to get academic on the term Christian, I usually define that a Christian is a person who signs everything in Nicene Creed.
I also understand when some outcasts express their beliefs to be Christian, but I usually refer to many of these beliefs to be Christian-based, such as .

Maritsa and DA, you are both Christians and Jesus wouldn't want you to denounce the Christianity of your sisters in faith. You only have different stance on what Bible the (and the culture around?) it says about it.


I am very familiar with the common arguments and I can't really tell which way things should be. I simply want gay marriage to be okay with the most of people.
But I'm not a Christian so I haven't really thought in all the ways the New Testament updates the Old Testament. I simply just think it's a bit bizarre.

Here, Eve and Adam people have a life.

Oh how could you eat that apple? I gave you EVERYTHING. Well I didn't trust you anyways cos I should have known. Oh wait I did since I'm omniscient.Well, here have some blood from between your legs, woman. And man you must toil in the fields until industrial revolution. Unless you are just wealthy land owner. Oh, and so must your descendants. Which is all of humanity.
And so shall my reign with wrath for few thousand years. Here have some boils, floods, death and vermin.

And then I put send figurehead side to Earth. You know the hippie who got his place because he's my son with good PR skills?
He can make some nicer rules, but I don't want to seem soft. You know with the "good cop bad cop" thing going on there.

I guess the humanity owes me for eating from my special tree. I'll guess I'll kill my avatar,respawn it, let him say goodbye and then beam him back up. That seems like a fair amount of payment for their inherited debt.

I would just be real happy for many if the society would let priests decide their own stance on it and individual priests could wed people if they saw it fit with the teachings of Bible. But I don't really care because I the following do not concern me:
-marriage
-Christianity

But I don't have any single strong view on what would Jesus do or say.

I'm just real happy that Christianity alienates more and more people as people can't marry their preferred gender.

[Beautiful sky]

Do you even know what a Christian is? If you aren't a Christian, you shouldn't claim to know more about it than the Christians do. God designed marriage to be between a man and a woman. Changing God's design is wrong. And what would throwing a Bible accomplish?

That's really a pathetic argument, isn't it. You change God's design every day with your interest in technological equipment, like using a fridge.


The Bible doesn't mention the internet, abortions, etc...stop using them, please.

Jesus Christ doesn't mention homosexuality. How come when Christians are justifying anti-homosexuality or ANY prejudice, they don't quote what Jesus said? Isn't Jesus the word of Christianity?

Why wouldn't I like black people? They're rare around these parts and I can't help but look with fascination when I see someone truly black, but it's nothing I have to think about. They're just as likely to be good or bad as anyone else.

Yes, I'm racist. But we're all still the human race. It's those orcs I'm prejudiced against.

Christians, at one point or another, have made every excuse in the world to hate one people or another; so I guess now it's the gay people's turn? Oh, I'm sure if Christians had crosses, they would crucify gay people and burn people in the name of God all over again. This is really a behavior fitting of a Christian, isn't it?

Amongst all this hate, I'm really surprised that Christians don't do one thing that Jesus did which was to love and take care of the POOR, in fact, conservative Christians have had very little inanition but to elect those candidates who were against supporting the poor with their anti Social agenda as we can see with the Republican party, yet again.

[Creepy-pokeball]

What if I'm pro-human and I dont care about Christianity.

Oh what if games. Arent they fun?!

[Gilly]

Do you even know what a Christian is? If you aren't a Christian, you shouldn't claim to know more about it than the Christians do. God designed marriage to be between a man and a woman. Changing God's design is wrong. And what would throwing a Bible accomplish?

First of all, God didn't design shit. Before Judaism came around, people sanctified their affection by humping in a cave for a few weeks on end. WE decided there should be rings and legal contracts and tax breaks involved. So break that shit off.

I WAS a Christian, raised by a priest, surrounded and consumed by Christianity for the first 12 years of my life, from a family that has been Christian for as long as the damn Pope's family, and I can tell you for sure: if you reject ANYONE on the FACE of this planet, and would turn your back before turning the other cheek, you are no damn Christian.

[Creepy-pokeball]

I think I lost faith when I saw Jesus on the side of a Harley in church in Sturgis, SD when I was 5, lol. At around 10 or so, I thought the idea of a God watching you was perverted, lol. Fuck that.

Do the math.

[Beautiful sky]

You know who made the internet? Some pro gay, atheist. So stop using it if you are a so called Christian who wants to fallow the word of God/Jesus and want to follow his design.

[Aquagraph]

The New Testament does not replace the Old Testament. It continues the story.

Upgrade? 2.0? What do you think that changes?

You know who made the internet? Some pro gay, atheist. So stop using it if you are a so called Christian who wants to fallow the word of God/Jesus and want to follow his design.

Umm, can we have someone else to be the counter debate to Abbie on the pro gay marriage side? Maybe someone who actually contributes credibility than sucks it off?

[Creepy-pokeball]

Upgrade? 2.0? What do you think that changes?


Umm, can we have someone else to be the counter debate to Abbie on the pro gay marriage side? Maybe someone who actually contributes credibility than sucks it off?

I did. It's called the "Get a life, not someone else's" argument, lol.

[JWC3]

You know who made the internet? Some pro gay, atheist. So stop using it if you are a so called Christian who wants to fallow the word of God/Jesus and want to follow his design.

I'm pretty sure the pentagon made the internet as a way to facilitate military communications. Plus like, I don't have to do a google search to know that there were more than likely many people involved in it's creation. Like common, this is just a dumb thing to say maritsa, even for you.

[Beautiful sky]

I'm pretty sure the pentagon made the internet as a way to facilitate military communications. Plus like, I don't have to do a google search to know that there were more than likely many people involved in it's creation. Like common, this is just a dumb thing to say maritsa, even for you.

I wasn't serious.

My entire point is that if Crazy ass Fundamentalist Christians are going to support that we should preserve God's creation, than let them live in the wild. God created that and that way they can stay off the internet.

[JWC3]

I wasn't serious.

It's really hard to tell sometimes.

[Beautiful sky]

It's really hard to tell sometimes.

Things that I say that are too general, too extreme, too off the wall are not serious.

[Beautiful sky]

I can't believe that people are even talking about "what makes people Gay." Who cares! They are here! Deal with it with kindness, consideration, and courtesy.

[DirectorAbbie]

I'm pretty sure the pentagon made the internet as a way to facilitate military communications. Plus like, I don't have to do a google search to know that there were more than likely many people involved in it's creation. Like common, this is just a dumb thing to say maritsa, even for you.

This would be constructive if it weren't for that bad apostrophe. It is against my beliefs to support anything with misplaced apostrophes.