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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Ahhh....I would love to go through this from the beginning and I'm only giving one explanation and will cease from that. Whether you will use that to help you see the general picture or not is your problem and not my own.
Abbie looks at the chart, compares her life rhythm to the chart and based on an immediate sensory reaction without due consideration for what it may be considered for Te, which is HOW THE CHART MAY BE APPLIED EXTERNALLY, she makes a hard and fast rule, using her weak Ti, "it's wrong, if it's wrong it's bad." Things within a diagram can be changed to work well, or better in application of external dynamics of things, but the concept (the or the idea) of the chart may remain quite in tact as a valid universal idea; she values Se because she stops at Se, immediate sense perception "it works well for me so it's good; doesn't work well for me so it's bad." We already know that Carl Jung, having typed himself as LII made up universal concepts such as the collective subconscious and that Ti is involved in thought of these concepts in general fashions rather than hard and fast rules.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I don't doubt that you gave this a lot of thought Maritsa because I'm sure you have, but I think what you just said here is an excellent example of confirmation bias: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
I wouldn't expect you to, because after all I'm only using rational thought in trying to explain you something which I hope then you will use to come to an understanding of something, but instead, you get upset because I will not yield to your will or how you want things to go, being very controlling you are and not pay attention to me.
Good luck and I'm sorry to have made you upset and not bent to your will. I can only follow logic.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
So I prefer information that confirms my beliefs? Humm...not what do you suppose an introverted feeling and thinking do, I wonder?
They seek out information which confirm their beliefs because they need those things. You've stumbled on something very socionically correct. Congratulations.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Maritsa, I'm obsessed with apostrophes! It makes it very difficult to pay attention to anything with a misplaced apostrophe. It's nothing personal.
I'm a very visual person. In 9th grade, I had to scribble on my math test with colored pencils so I could read it. Otherwise I might as well have been staring at a zebra. It was just black and white markings.
I'm usually a very good reader. Sometimes it just shuts off.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I like this chart as well.
Ok now that i've had a full nights sleep... I do want to add that i'm sure there is some degree of individual variation to the chart. I think the chart is meant as sort of an example.
I still stand by what i said above, though.. i do think it's scary the way society often forces us to work against these natural patterns.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Just because someone is EII doesn't mean they're going to endlessly subject things to confirmation bias. My boss is EII... he's a research scientist... if he constantly does work containing confirmation bias, he wouldn't be allowed to do this kind of work. On the contrary, he's an excellent scientist and has a flourishing career.
Confirmation bias is the sort of thing anyone can mistakenly do... and it's a sort of thing one learns to be careful not to do. Not socionic at all, much less type related.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
The only thing I have to add to this thread is that the chart from the original poster needs a Chicken Curry exception... where the bowel movement suppression at 22:30 does not occur.
That is all.
Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
9:00am - hardest boner
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
Yup, seems accurate.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
I tested this out on myself and yes I do poop at 8:30;
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Maritsa you actually manage to crack me up sometimes. It's amazing.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
I've run into this chart off and on. I'm not particularly a fan of it.
For starters, I'm most definitely a morning person. I naturally wake up with the sun (which of course changes according to season). I've got the most physical energy in the morning, and prefer to do the vast majority of my physical activites early.
By the time I'm about ready to call it a day (regarding physical activites), then it's around 10:30am-1pm..and time for brunch. Then I'll relax for a bit, veg out some.
Around 1-2pm I feel pleasantly physically tired, but my mental faculties kick in...(except for the hottest part of summer...where the mental activity kicks in as things start cooling down some). At this time I'll do my studies or other mental work.
In longer days, I will eat a light meal before 6ish. In shorter days (winter) I only eat the one meal that was earlier.
When the weather has cooled significantly...usually as sun is setting, then I will either do some minor physical labor, or go for an extended walk. (if my back is hurting, then I'm stuck on forums/books ).
If we leave the lights off, the melatonin will start kicking in, and sleep will come sooner. If lights are on or I'm on computer, then melatonin doesn,t have a chance to kick in...dry eyes is what will finally prompt me to call it a night. Unfortunately, that might not happen until 1am. And since I still naturally wake up with the sun, i'm shot for that next day.
According to this chart, it's got people doing physical labor at the hottest time of the day. The time when local vegetation has already been eaten by local herbivores, and the time when predator animals are chillaxin. It places people at risk of heat stroke if they following its physical activity timing. It ignores how light (sun) influences melatonin production and burnout, and how that light timing changes throughout the year. (Though, I HAVE read where one can adjust the timings...expanding them to suit longer days and shortening them to suit winter times. So if this expansion/contraction if time is being included, then my last concern there is null.)
I am willing to acknowledge that I might be missing something regarding this chart.
And I recognize that it includes a disclaimer:
Perhaps @DirectorAbbie might find her concerns in the disclaimer.Overview of biological circadian clock in humans.
Biological clock affects the daily rhythm of many physiological processes. This diagram depicts the circadian patterns typical of someone who rises early in morning, eats lunch around noon, and sleeps at night (10 p.m.). Although circadian rhythms tend to be synchronized with cycles of light and dark, other factors - such as ambient temperature, meal times, napping schedule and duration, stress and exercise - can influence the timing as well.
I'm not particularly keen on it being supposedly applicable to all humans. Imo, different cultures from different locales might have differing timings for physical and mental activity than this chart gives. The schedule for a tropical islander is likely to differ significantly than the schedule for an icelander. Both are likely to differ from a desert dweller, and from a nomad.
But if it helps you, Jadae...if you find it useful, then yay!! Go for it.
i won't be following it, myself. (If I don't get the physical work done in the morning...I won't feel energetic enough to do it later in the day...which means it won't get done.)
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
You gotta test things sometimes, you know. You can't remain a mechanical bot of someone else. "Sit"...."Why?"..."Cuz I said so"...."You don't provide an explanation and one which I can logically apply, I'm not going for it"...."but you love me, don't you?"...."how much did the ring cost?"...."I got it for plenty"...."of what?"..."yuan/quai"..."pfff"
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I totally get what you're saying...
not. Things are back to normal.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly