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    why? why do you love it?
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    Because everyone can see some sort of universal pattern, and it is also so explicitly set together that it shows how all of these seemingly random ideas relate. Usually, thesesorts of ideas are encountered bit by bit, instead as a whole. It also explains things taken for granted that we usually do not perceive. For example, it connects the three spectrums of testosterone together -- the daily cycle, the yearly cycle, and the lifespan stages of development.

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    That's pretty cool Jadae. Didn't know about that.
    And I would hide my face in you and you would hide your face in me, and nobody would ever see us any more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae View Post
    Because everyone can see some sort of universal pattern, and it is also so explicitly set together that it shows how all of these seemingly random ideas relate. Usually, thesesorts of ideas are encountered bit by bit, instead as a whole. It also explains things taken for granted that we usually do not perceive. For example, it connects the three spectrums of testosterone together -- the daily cycle, the yearly cycle, and the lifespan stages of development.
    You like the object because of how well it performs?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    I love charts. But that one's not very good.

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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I love charts. But that one's not very good.
    Why do you think that?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    You like the object because of how well it performs?
    I'm not going down that path. I'll be on another trail.

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    All LSE love charts because they help describe the external activity of events. Jedi, I'm putting your ass on ignore. I'm tired of dealing with you.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    I gotta say... rings true for me...

    No matter how much i try to work out in the morning, my body just insists on my workouts being in the late afternoon/early evening, coinciding with greatest muscular strenth and cardiovascular efficiency. I also do feel most alert at 10am. I also have a hard time waking up before 7:30a - 8a which is around when melatonin secretion apparently stops (there is also a cortisol spike that happens ~8am, which is not indicated on the chart).
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    5:00 AM is the time for highest melatonin levels, so it's the best time to practice lucid dreaming or OBEs. That could be added to the chart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miso Soup View Post
    5:00 AM is the time for highest melatonin levels, so it's the best time to practice lucid dreaming or OBEs. That could be added to the chart.
    What is the difference between "could" and "should"?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    What is the difference between "could" and "should"?
    ahh, should implies that it is either necessary or important to be done. Could implies that it's a possibility, but it wouldn't matter too much if it didn't happen.
    ie:
    Should - eat food and drink water every day
    Could - also eat candy

    Why do you ask? Is this a sneaky way of verifying my type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miso Soup View Post
    ahh, should implies that it is either necessary or important to be done. Could implies that it's a possibility, but it wouldn't matter too much if it didn't happen.
    ie:
    Should - eat food and drink water every day
    Could - also eat candy

    Why do you ask? Is this a sneaky way of verifying my type?
    LOL; you're smart for realizing what I do. *Good reading into my intentions*

    So you think that what you said isn't necessary to be added to the chart? Why not if it makes something work better?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    What is the difference between "could" and "should"?
    The same as the difference between "can't" and "mayn't." But in the reverse.

    If a 6'5" football player asks whether he can take your purse, I'm pretty sure the answer is "yes." Or do you know judo?

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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miso Soup View Post
    5:00 AM is the time for highest melatonin levels, so it's the best time to practice lucid dreaming or OBEs. That could be added to the chart.
    speaking of which i'm going to bed to enjoy my melatonin secretion... which began about 2 hrs ago apparently..
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    The only thing I have to add to this thread is that the chart from the original poster needs a Chicken Curry exception... where the bowel movement suppression at 22:30 does not occur.

    That is all.

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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.
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    9:00am - hardest boner
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Yup, seems accurate.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    I tested this out on myself and yes I do poop at 8:30;
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Maritsa you actually manage to crack me up sometimes. It's amazing.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkster View Post
    Maritsa you actually manage to crack me up sometimes. It's amazing.
    You gotta test things sometimes, you know. You can't remain a mechanical bot of someone else. "Sit"...."Why?"..."Cuz I said so"...."You don't provide an explanation and one which I can logically apply, I'm not going for it"...."but you love me, don't you?"...."how much did the ring cost?"...."I got it for plenty"...."of what?"..."yuan/quai"..."pfff"
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    I've run into this chart off and on. I'm not particularly a fan of it.
    For starters, I'm most definitely a morning person. I naturally wake up with the sun (which of course changes according to season). I've got the most physical energy in the morning, and prefer to do the vast majority of my physical activites early.

    By the time I'm about ready to call it a day (regarding physical activites), then it's around 10:30am-1pm..and time for brunch. Then I'll relax for a bit, veg out some.

    Around 1-2pm I feel pleasantly physically tired, but my mental faculties kick in...(except for the hottest part of summer...where the mental activity kicks in as things start cooling down some). At this time I'll do my studies or other mental work.

    In longer days, I will eat a light meal before 6ish. In shorter days (winter) I only eat the one meal that was earlier.

    When the weather has cooled significantly...usually as sun is setting, then I will either do some minor physical labor, or go for an extended walk. (if my back is hurting, then I'm stuck on forums/books ).

    If we leave the lights off, the melatonin will start kicking in, and sleep will come sooner. If lights are on or I'm on computer, then melatonin doesn,t have a chance to kick in...dry eyes is what will finally prompt me to call it a night. Unfortunately, that might not happen until 1am. And since I still naturally wake up with the sun, i'm shot for that next day.


    According to this chart, it's got people doing physical labor at the hottest time of the day. The time when local vegetation has already been eaten by local herbivores, and the time when predator animals are chillaxin. It places people at risk of heat stroke if they following its physical activity timing. It ignores how light (sun) influences melatonin production and burnout, and how that light timing changes throughout the year. (Though, I HAVE read where one can adjust the timings...expanding them to suit longer days and shortening them to suit winter times. So if this expansion/contraction if time is being included, then my last concern there is null.)


    I am willing to acknowledge that I might be missing something regarding this chart.
    And I recognize that it includes a disclaimer:
    Overview of biological circadian clock in humans.
    Biological clock affects the daily rhythm of many physiological processes. This diagram depicts the circadian patterns typical of someone who rises early in morning, eats lunch around noon, and sleeps at night (10 p.m.). Although circadian rhythms tend to be synchronized with cycles of light and dark, other factors - such as ambient temperature, meal times, napping schedule and duration, stress and exercise - can influence the timing as well.
    Perhaps @DirectorAbbie might find her concerns in the disclaimer.


    I'm not particularly keen on it being supposedly applicable to all humans. Imo, different cultures from different locales might have differing timings for physical and mental activity than this chart gives. The schedule for a tropical islander is likely to differ significantly than the schedule for an icelander. Both are likely to differ from a desert dweller, and from a nomad.


    But if it helps you, Jadae...if you find it useful, then yay!! Go for it.
    i won't be following it, myself. (If I don't get the physical work done in the morning...I won't feel energetic enough to do it later in the day...which means it won't get done.)
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    I totally get what you're saying...



    not. Things are back to normal.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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