interesting because I've never liked Superman. Not even when I was little. He seems so stilted.Originally Posted by 1981slater
interesting because I've never liked Superman. Not even when I was little. He seems so stilted.
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Could we just say Iron Man is ILE and the actor is SLE?
You need to watch the black and white movies. The modern superman is dull.
There still seems to be some disagreement on Hawkeye's type, and there hasn't been much argument. Why can't he be ESI and Natasha's dual?
Sure why not.
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I got an instant sense of ILE vs ESI from Iron Man and Captain America respectively.
Why doesn't anyone see Pepper Potts as SEI? The first Iron Man film shows just how an overactive ILE can forget to value the SEI in their life until later.
I say an SEI would be more of a pushover. How about ESI for Pepper?
I still say Captain America is LSE. It's a basic leadership role. He prefers action to talking and is happy to leave technical stuff to others. He fights with a shield, which is exactly what I would prefer to do. But then again...he is blonde. Do LSEs come in blonde?
Well having seen the movie three times now here's what I've got. Also I'm only using this movie, not any background from any of the heros' own movies.
Iron Man/Tony Stark: ILE
He is very much a narcissist and I think that is what may have confused me and others initially but after a few more viewings I think hkkmr was right, There are some fairly obvious Si+Fe values present in his behavior.
Hulk/Bruce Banner: XLI
I liked ILI before and I still do think that typing makes a lot of sense due to his intellectual prowess, but I'm pretty sure SLI's can be smart too. I'm not so sure about delta values or male SLIs when it comes to emotional expression as I have little real life experience with either however I do think his behavior has a few delta themes in his need to help others at the start of the movie. I think SLI also makes a lot of sense with regards to explaining his and Stark's relationship.
Thor: LXE
I'm not sure, he's fairly underdeveloped but he seems to exhibit a typical LSE behavior in his inability to make harsh judgments about anyone beyond a surface level. He does condemn his brother's actions but decidedly does not condemn his brother which makes me think Delta more than Gamma. But LIEs can act in a similar way at times. Obvious Fi values.
Steve Rogers/Captain America: ESI
I think his behavior is a bit reminiscent of ESIs in that he places his job or mission as his first and foremost priority and his relationships with others as second. I also think his need to actually physically investigate the nuclear weapons that shield wants to build are not so much a Se PoLR thing to do. However, I could see an argument for EII as he is very much a peace maker. I think this typing makes a lot of sense with relation to Thor's type, they seem to get along very amiably and Captain America also does a good job of handling Thor's entrance scene in a way that I don't think offended Thor at all. I also think this typing makes sense in relation to Stark's typing, the two don't get along very well most of the time and he doesn't seem to value Ne specifically when it comes to his explaining Loki's behavior to stark right before they figure out Loki want's Stark tower. He claims Loki wanted to divide and conquer and really doesn't seem that interested in investigating the issue further as I view Ne values would sort of necessitate.
Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow: Beta introvert?
I'm not so confident about this typing. She does seem to have an ideological connection to the organization she was previously a part of, she makes comments about how she needs to "Remove the red from her ledger" so she doesn't seem interested in doing good for the sake of good but does like the idea of being a part of something she views as meaningful. I think her and Hawkeye's relationship makes sense if they are a introverted beta activity pair, but they could also be identicals. Her ability to be a sort of social chameleon and manipulate people through that venue make me think IEI over LSI but beyond that I think she sort of shifts between those two types throughout the movie.
Clint Barton/Hawkeye: LSI
There really isn't much to go on besides his relationship with Balck Widow, I do like LSI for his comment near the end of the movie "You and I seem to remember Budapest very differently" which is a reaction I view as very necessary in getting along with an EIE. He doesn't say she's wrong but does acknowledge the difference. This is mostly just a theme I see instead of an actual typing.
Loki: EIE
This one is fairly obvious, he truly believes he is in the right in his quest to enslave humanity which displays a sort of mental delusion I would think is common of an EIE archetype, also obvious Se values. Beyond the character though, it's a comic book and duh. Comic books need EIE villains, it's how they work.
Agent Phil Coulson: LII
It's what others seem to think and I like this typing as well. I'm not very confident in it, but he does have a bit of quirky-ness to him that is endearing. Seems to exhibit Fe values.
Agent Maria Hill: LIE
She has like 20 lines in the whole movie so there is very very little to go on. I don't normally like typing on relations alone but she seems to be supervised by Nick Fury.
Professor Erick Selvig: EII
This typing makes sense to me in that yes he is a very smart individual but he also seems to treat the tesseract as if it is a person which makes me think Fi values. While he is under Loki's control he also seems very excited about "a whole new universe" toward the end of the movie, which sort of makes me think Ne values. I suppose IEE could make sense too.
Nick Fury: SLI
It's what other's think and I have no reason to argue. Again though, I don't have much experience with SLIs or delta values so *shrug* Does seem to exhibit strong Te though.
Easy Day
If you really want Hawkeye and Black Widow to be duals Director Abbie I suppose I could see Black Widow as EIE.
Easy Day
It looks like you're way outvoted on Black Widow, JWC. Most people type her as LIE. But why would an LSI be any more likely to say that quote than an ESI? Which type would be more interested in knowing how many people were killed because of him?
A lot of people have been typing Captain America as ESI. And a lot of them have good reasoning. But I have yet to see a reason he can't be LSE.
Aw man, I hate it when I disagree with popular opinion *kicks dirt* This is the worst.
Easy Day
I think Robert Downey Jr. is Ne-IEE imo.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
haha perfect!
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It looks like people want Bruce Banner to be ILI...I didn't see that in him, though. The Fe-PoLR feel. I still think Brilliand's suggestion of LII is more realistic.
Me. I think my logic is in control of my feelings now. And I know better than to be attracted to extroverts.
Note to forum members: alcohol makes Starfall turn green.
There it is again. People type him ESI without a good reason for him not to be LSE. I still think he's LSE.
I am an LSE. I have been mistaken for an ESI and an LSI. Interesting: those are what he's been types as. Coincidence?
(I can hardly believe I'm trying to convince people I'm identicals with a blonde.)
I get very giggly when drunk. And if I'm with people I like, I might start hugging them. Doesn't matter if it's girls or guys.
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I can't see duality with Pepper and Stark. It's a movie, so it looks funny, but the actual relationship is bad. He's out of control to her, while he likes to see how far he can push his limits. She's the only person who doesn't laugh along, just kind of says "Ooookay", and nags him about stuff.
She's probably supervisor, but his ego is so big he thinks he can win her over eventually.
why am I so attracted to big egos?
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Because we're fucking SEXY AS HELL
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
SEI character played by EII actress?
There's some interesting typings here.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I watched Iron Man. He's more obviously ILE in that.
Yeah I'm definitely buying ILE as his typing now. I need to see Iron Man also!
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I've seen this. I thought Tony Stark was ILE (he seems to be pretty much the same character as in Iron Man). I'm not sure about Bruce Banner... I was tossing around IEI in my mind. He has this incredibly laid back way of coming across that seems really IP to me. I keep thinking back to that scene where he meets Romanoff and shouts, "Stop lying to me!" getting her to freak out and pull her weapon. Then he just kind of smiles and says he wanted to see what she would do. There's just something about using anger or an emotional display as a test that seems Fe related to me... it doesn't reflect his actual feelings necessarily as we don't know what his actual feelings are, but it's very calculated. He doesn't seem like a short fuse at all, but as someone who is perhaps rather emotionally savvy inside. He's not very expressive emotionally at all, but I think it's possible for a really detached IEI to be that way maybe. I'm also not sure about Thor. I had thought in the movie THOR that Thor was SLE, at least I think that's what I thought. However, now I've been wondering about something like ESE. Thor seems really impulsive based on feelings... it's easy to rile him up so he'll get mad and start throwing his hammer around and he seems to have no emotional cork (his heart is on his sleeve). He also thinks very little before rushing in with his hammer (something that Loki takes advantage of a lot). I wasn't sure how to interpret his regard for Loki either. I thought it was rather sweet of him to still want to keep Loki despite how rotten he's become (or perhaps always was). I really did like his level of devotion to his brother. I love hateful brother stories. I didn't really think anything would really ever turn Loki around though. You can't bring him back with moving speeches or something. Not to mention I suspect he wasn't ever really there. The relationship Thor thought existed between them probably wasn't real. Anyway I definitely think EIE for Loki. Oh, and I think LSI for Clint Barton.
Yeah yeah whatever
Don't get me started on you
I don't think it has anything to do with Se, by the way. A gajillion Se egos out there are insecure and flagrant about it, look at Courtney Love or Lindsay Lohan. Being Se doesn't make you "forceful;" I know plenty of Se egos who are total wusses, and LIIs I would never fuck with. I'm sick of this "Se = cocky confident" crap.
Also quit the bullshit self-reassurance. I know you self-type Se ego and all, so quit blowing up your own balloon. Talk about insecurity...
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
@Starfall bitch
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Iron man ILE.
Captain America ILE.
@Absurd.
Because they got on swimmingly, no gap of understanding at all.
I'm just typing based on the actors themselves.Because they got on swimmingly, no gap of understanding at all.
You could be my dual for all I care, if the director puts an argument between us in the script we're going to have an argument in the movie.
You should always try to avoid that. It skews the results in a bad way.
I see what you did there. As for that film seen it in a crappy version, so I'm going to wait for a better one.
Yeah but the characters that actors portray are a manifestation of their brain chemistry. Thats why someone say might say, "oh you'd fit that role perfectly!"
Jung once said something like, "Hate for others is that which you hate in yourself." I see no reason why identicals wouldn't bicker and argue over dumb things, at least initially.
Have you seen Captain America: First Avenger or something like that?
I saw the original captain america: first avenger. I haven't seen the avengers yet. (hmmm... sounds like a good thing to do tonight, actually)
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Iron man: SEE. I think when people call him "ILE", they're focusing too much on the "genius" part of "genius billionaire playboy philanthropist", and not enough on the "playboy" part. Remember, this is Hollywood, and if they want an SF type to be a super-genius with computers, they can make it so. In terms of his personality and how he interacts with the others, though, I think it's pretty clear he's SEE. He's cocky, status-seeking, very charming and good with people, and tends to have little patience for Fe-related sentimentality. I don't think even the most charismatic ILE in the world could ever be described as a charming playboy, but that's the first thing that comes to mind when you see Tony.
Bruce Banner/The Hulk: Based solely on what I saw of his personality, I would have guessed that Bruce is an LII, who is terrified of his Supervisor -- the enormous green SLE rage monster that lives inside of him. However, the fact that he gets along well with Tony makes ILI an interesting hypothesis. I'll have to watch the movie again.
Captain America: an obvious LSE, in my opinion. Practically the poster-boy for LSE. Tactical leader, loyal to the old-school Delta code of ethics, very practically-oriented, prefers to get things done now instead of debate high-minded concepts.
Fury: LIE. Captain America is the tactical leader, Fury is the strategic leader. Their respective ranks of captain and general reflect that. Willing to compromise ethics in the present for the greater good in the future. Always thinking a dozen steps ahead of everyone else.
Thor: SLE. I dunno, this seems pretty obvious. He seems to find his Kindred Iron Man more amusing than his Quasi-Identical Captain America. Actually, he seems to get along better with Loki than his fellow heroes. For mortal enemies, they're on pretty good terms.
Loki: EIE. Obvious EIE villain is obvious. I don't think I need to spell it out.
Natasha and Hawkeye: I didn't really get a good enough sense of their personalities to be able to tell. The idea that they might be Duals is interesting, perhaps plausible.
Quaero Veritas.
The challenge of typing the characters of actors is that you can't take anything physical into account. Instead you have to look at the character's abilities and values. The argument between Captain America and Iron Man is not one that two ILEs would have. If the actors were playing themselves they wouldn't be actors.
Nowhere did they say he was a 'charming' playboy. Indeed, he's anything but charming in this. I don't know where you've seen him being 'good with people' but he says the opposite as his reason for initially not joining the Avengers.
Well the reason that the avengers wouldn't allow him to join. He didn't qualify because he "Didn't play well with others" among other things.
Easy Day
yeah exactly. which is why Fi polr I think fits Iron man. and so-last. he's the lone wolf. SLEs/ILEs don't *always* light up around Fe anyway. Not if they're in their Ti-mode, working or thinking about something or solving a problem.
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I'm not talking about a line in the movie, I'm talking about the image that he projects -- a charming, socially adept, womanizing playboy type. That's obvious from the Iron Man movies and this one. Tony says "I don't play well with others", not because he lacks social skills (he has those in abundance), but because he prefers to work independently. It's his Irrational dislike of being confined to an orderly Rational group. Basically he's saying he doesn't like following the rules, which is understandable for an EP type.
In unfamiliar social situations Tony is cool, confident, and cocky, like an SEE. Not awkward, stumbling, and oblivious like an ILE usually is in unfamiliar social situations.
[Edit: An SLE in unfamiliar social situations tends to cover up his weak social skills either by putting on a show of "toughness", either by being aggressive or by being dispassionate. Alternately, a more mature SLE may simply admit his weak social skills. In general, their social skills are more crude and blunt than those displayed by Iron Man.]
Quaero Veritas.
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