Using quadra values to determine type

[Suz]

Yeah, quadra values don't seem like a bad idea. You've got to know the IEs to be able to find your type anyway.



Not necessarily; I'm a definite ego with the same habit and motivation. The more I dislike someone, the less I become concerned with playing the nice guy, but I'll probably still care about how they view me. Open enemies is just a further progression; it's already out there that we don't like each other, so there is even less reason to play nice.

I dont see how this is any different from what i was trying to say.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I dont see how this is any different from what i was trying to say.

I think what you described here (the two phrases taken together) is definitely consistent with an Fe-ego:

More than anything else, I am very sensitive to being criticized or rejected by others. So I try to generally be the friendly, nice guy (in a positive sense) so that I am not generally rubbing anyone the wrong way.

It isn't that Fi types arent' decent at this too, it's just that Fi types dont think of it this way.

Not necessarily. See below.

Instead of caring about rubbing anyone the wrong way, an Fi type might care more about being thought of as a kind, good person and to be thought of as a good friend. At least, per my understanding.

Sure, I seek to be thought of as a good person; that said, I treasure people who accept me despite my flaws far more than people who like me for my put-on politeness. But I don't do things just to be thought of as a good person or a good friend. I also do things because I don't want to rub people the wrong way, because they might then reject me - be it through criticism or through leaving me. So saying that not wanting to rub someone the wrong way due to possible rejection is is not necessarily accurate.

[Suz]

Not necessarily. See below.



Sure, I seek to be thought of as a good person; that said, I treasure people who accept me despite my flaws far more than people who like me for my put-on politeness. But I don't do things just to be thought of as a good person or a good friend. I also do things because I don't want to rub people the wrong way, because they might then reject me - be it through criticism or through leaving me. So saying that not wanting to rub someone the wrong way due to possible rejection is is not necessarily accurate.

Well true i mean i see your point, i also relate. I guess what i was trying to get at is that's not a defining characteristic you or I might think of when presenting who we are to people, which is what I thought the OP sorta did.

[Pookie]

You used the best method for determining type.

The Si/Ne Ni/Se & Ti/Fe Te/Fi dichotomies (Decisive/Judicious - Merry/Serious) are the easiest things to type with a pretty high level of accuracy. But then again this is just my opinion on the matter.

I find the differences between the introverted and extroverted form of the same function profound(Fe/Fi for example). And odds are you're not going to end up in the wrong quadra through that method, since each quadra is a mix of certain function values, and it's consistent through the whole quadra.

[mikesilb]

holy hell, you got 3/4 of Alpha quadra in that sig of yours alone haha

Neil Peart - Ti-LII
Geddy Lee - Ti-ILE
Alex Lifeson - some Alpha SF

I don't believe quadras have any gestaltic qualities above and beyond what occurs when the types that compose it interact. Therefore a quadra would simply be the sum of its parts, and it is not worthwhile to dwell on the idea that one could type reliably based on them. That being said, if you really love RUSH as much as your avatar implies, then you are probably Alpha, seeing as the band is composed of 3/4 that quadra's types. I would not suggest typing by quadra as a general rule.

I find it very cool that all three members of RUSH are alpha. I have been a fan of theirs since the late '80s, and two elements that have absolutely attracted me to this band is a certain intellectual and energetic (especially in Neil's lyrics) and combo (showing up in the Geddy/Alex goofy dynamic) that exists here. While they don't feel as alpha to me as a group like "They Might Be Giants" might be, I still can see how Rush totally fits the alpha side of classic/progressive Rock. Love their music and totally can't wait for 'Clockwork Angels' to be released!

I'm not sure how indicative the RUSH connection is to my own potential of being alpha. Maybe it implies that I relate very well to the style of music that they crank out. It has such a deep complexity for your typical rock band (especially with their funky time signatures, etc.) Whatever it is, I love all aspects of their music and I truly enjoy how they have changed so dramatically from album to album, while still retaining their technical excellence in all that they do (even as they are entering their 50s). While my potential alpha-ness may or may not relate to being a fan of the band, perhaps a certain connection between the two can be made.

[Absurd]

In a nutshell?

[mikesilb]

It isn't that Fi types arent' decent at this too, it's just that Fi types dont think of it this way. Instead of caring about rubbing anyone the wrong way, an Fi type might care more about being thought of as a kind, good person and to be thought of as a good friend. At least, per my understanding.

Not necessarily; I'm a definite ego with the same habit and motivation. The more I dislike someone, the less I become concerned with playing the nice guy, but I'll probably still care about how they view me. Open enemies is just a further progression; it's already out there that we don't like each other, so there is even less reason to play nice.

Sure, I seek to be thought of as a good person; that said, I treasure people who accept me despite my flaws far more than people who like me for my put-on politeness. But I don't do things just to be thought of as a good person or a good friend. I also do things because I don't want to rub people the wrong way, because they might then reject me - be it through criticism or through leaving me. So saying that not wanting to rub someone the wrong way due to possible rejection is is not necessarily accurate.

This begs the question (that I have been seeing asked over and over again in the board archives) of how and would view this differently?

How might the sensitivity, friendliness, and interpersonal receptiveness differ between, say, an EII and an SEI?

I find this question incredibly poignant because I initially thought that I was an EII. However, now that I claim that SEI (and the alpha quadra) might fit better for me, I'm curious if I am on track or if I overlooked something.

I find that my relationship to 'Feeling' has a lot of both and . On one hand, I am big on looking at external cues (whether one is happy, angry, sad, etc.) as a way that dictates a sense of OK-ness and a sense of feedback. This sounds very . On the flip side, I try to focus on being respectful, warm, etc.as a simple way of being/living life. This could be at play as well.

(To add to the camp, I find myself to be very expressive and passionate in a place where I feel that it makes sense to do that. Let's say...at a rock concert or karaoke bar. In that case, I can let all my inhibitions go. In fact, my fav. songs to do karaoke are the ones that require a certain dynamic flavor (examples: Superstition [Stevie Wonder], Purple Rain [Prince], By the Way [Red Hot Chili Peppers], or Just a Gigolo [David Lee Roth]). The more dynamic the song, the more I like it. Even with all this stated, my modus operandi is probably not an dominant extroverted type. I still think that I have more of a reflective, introverted feel to me most of the time).

So this difference (in sensitivity, receptiveness, friendliness) between a -creative introverted type vs. a dominant- type, and the corresponding nuances is definitely something that piques my interest. Any thoughts?

[mikesilb]

You used the best method for determining type.

The Si/Ne Ni/Se & Ti/Fe Te/Fi dichotomies (Decisive/Judicious - Merry/Serious) are the easiest things to type with a pretty high level of accuracy. But then again this is just my opinion on the matter.

I find the differences between the introverted and extroverted form of the same function profound(Fe/Fi for example). And odds are you're not going to end up in the wrong quadra through that method, since each quadra is a mix of certain function values, and it's consistent through the whole quadra.

Thanks for your feedback here, and I find it resonating with my general feelings about this topic.

From what I understand of Socionics, the relationship between types (and especially the quadras) are the linchpin of the typology. In other words, the focus on how specific people/types mesh or don't mesh appears to be core here. While I have wondered why there can't be an alpha type or an alpha type (and why by definition heads in a delta-ish direction, and how goes beta), I also think that the answer probably represent something inherent in how and team up, how and team up, and how and team up (which I may or may not understand perfectly right now).

There is something about the open, receptive, passionate, goofy, fun-loving aspect of alpha that is bringing me to SEI. I am simply not as earthy (by default) as the main delta types (although I can be earthy as a backup style to my more lighthearted alpha preference).

In order of preference, I lean
alpha > delta > beta > gamma

I hope that my logic here is on track in terms of how the Socionics theory (in terms of all IM elements and the 8 functions in their proper order) should be interpreted. Otherwise...it would be back to the drawing board....I hope not.