Using quadra values to determine type

[mikesilb]

Hi everyone,

From out of nowhere, I decided to return to Socionics after a two year hiatus. Very soon after getting back into all this material, it suddenly dawned upon me that I have been potentially wrong all along about the type that I am, and want to see if I might be more on the right track.

Last time I was here, my big debate was EII vs. EIE. I now think that I am actually neither of those types. More likely, I actually think that SEI is actually right.

The main basis that I used to determine SEI is the fact that far and away, I can relate the most to the alpha quadra (above delta, beta, or even gamma). There is something about the innocent way of relating to others in a friendly, passionate, warm, and positive way in the manner that alpha is described that makes me think that it fits me better than the alternative quadra options.

Looking at the quadra values, the type of receptive warmth (in sort of a buddy-like style) that represents happens to be right on for me. I can rule out ESE since I don't have nearly as much proactive, giver/caretaker energy, but rather my comes out in a friendly, open, not wanting to offend type of manner that appears to be classic for an SEI.

Additionally, I am a Ph.D. level scientist who is in a career transition to become a science teacher (since I want to make a positive impact on others through my scientific knowledge/background). I can live in the world of the without necessarily being the greatest at generating theories and testing their validity. Yet, I love thinking like a scientist (by theorizing about interesting ideas). So I feel that I can complement the world of scientific ideas, and I love to delve in that information.

More than anything else, I am very sensitive to being criticized or rejected by others. So I try to generally be the friendly, nice guy (in a positive sense) so that I am not generally rubbing anyone the wrong way. More than being dominantly , this type of receptive friendliness to me smacks of the dynamic. For a while, I would have never given any room to the possibility that I might be an S type. However, now, I think that it can totally work. I love an ease and flow of everyday interactions, and I love to live in a pleasurable world where everything is truly kick-back and relaxed. I am way more favoring an / dynamic than a / dynamic. I think that for this reason, beta and gamma simply don't fit in my case.
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OK...so I have just mentioned my rationale for SEI. Here is my question:

Did I use a plausible typing method to determine my type? Obviously, I started off with seeing myself fitting well in the alpha quadra (more than delta [assuming EII] or beta [assuming EIE]), and I looked amongst the four alpha types to determine which one (with its set of functions, including PoLR, HA, etc.) fits me the best. From those four, SEI solidly wins. (By the way, I can totally relate to the -PoLR of having considerable trouble with being organized, efficient, pragmatic...Can also relate to the -HA of seeking to understand and to logically build concepts from the ground-up).

So, to restate my question, is determining my type through the path of 'quadra values' a legit way to determine/confirm my own type as well as others' type? Or should I look again for suitable NF types in the manner that I previously thought fit me?

I am becoming more and more able to see myself as an alpha-SF, and I'm glad that I have been able to 'free my mind' just enough to allow this possibility to emerge.

Thanks for listening, and any feedback you have about this question (or my type determination), I would definitely appreciate it!

Glad to be back!

[ArchonAlarion]

I don't believe quadras have any gestaltic qualities above and beyond what occurs when the types that compose it interact. Therefore a quadra would simply be the sum of its parts, and it is not worthwhile to dwell on the idea that one could type reliably based on them. That being said, if you really love RUSH as much as your avatar implies, then you are probably Alpha, seeing as the band is composed of 3/4 that quadra's types. I would not suggest typing by quadra as a general rule.

[Suz]

I disagree, I think looking at quadra values is a good way to start assessing one's type.

I think what you described here (the two phrases taken together) is definitely consistent with an Fe-ego:

More than anything else, I am very sensitive to being criticized or rejected by others. So I try to generally be the friendly, nice guy (in a positive sense) so that I am not generally rubbing anyone the wrong way.

It isn't that Fi types arent' decent at this too, it's just that Fi types dont think of it this way. Instead of caring about rubbing anyone the wrong way, an Fi type might care more about being thought of as a kind, good person and to be thought of as a good friend. At least, per my understanding.

So I agree, SEI seems to fit you pretty well!

[Cuddly McFluffles]

Yeah, quadra values don't seem like a bad idea. You've got to know the IEs to be able to find your type anyway.

I think what you described here (the two phrases taken together) is definitely consistent with an Fe-ego:


It isn't that Fi types arent' decent at this too, it's just that Fi types dont think of it this way. Instead of caring about rubbing anyone the wrong way, an Fi type might care more about being thought of as a kind, good person and to be thought of as a good friend. At least, per my understanding.

Not necessarily; I'm a definite ego with the same habit and motivation. The more I dislike someone, the less I become concerned with playing the nice guy, but I'll probably still care about how they view me. Open enemies is just a further progression; it's already out there that we don't like each other, so there is even less reason to play nice.

[woofwoofl]

holy hell, you got 3/4 of Alpha quadra in that sig of yours alone haha

Neil Peart - Ti-LII
Geddy Lee - Ti-ILE
Alex Lifeson - some Alpha SF

[Suz]

Yeah, quadra values don't seem like a bad idea. You've got to know the IEs to be able to find your type anyway.



Not necessarily; I'm a definite ego with the same habit and motivation. The more I dislike someone, the less I become concerned with playing the nice guy, but I'll probably still care about how they view me. Open enemies is just a further progression; it's already out there that we don't like each other, so there is even less reason to play nice.

I dont see how this is any different from what i was trying to say.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

I dont see how this is any different from what i was trying to say.

I think what you described here (the two phrases taken together) is definitely consistent with an Fe-ego:

More than anything else, I am very sensitive to being criticized or rejected by others. So I try to generally be the friendly, nice guy (in a positive sense) so that I am not generally rubbing anyone the wrong way.

It isn't that Fi types arent' decent at this too, it's just that Fi types dont think of it this way.

Not necessarily. See below.

Instead of caring about rubbing anyone the wrong way, an Fi type might care more about being thought of as a kind, good person and to be thought of as a good friend. At least, per my understanding.

Sure, I seek to be thought of as a good person; that said, I treasure people who accept me despite my flaws far more than people who like me for my put-on politeness. But I don't do things just to be thought of as a good person or a good friend. I also do things because I don't want to rub people the wrong way, because they might then reject me - be it through criticism or through leaving me. So saying that not wanting to rub someone the wrong way due to possible rejection is is not necessarily accurate.

[Gilly]

I disagree, I think looking at quadra values is a good way to start assessing one's type.

I think what you described here (the two phrases taken together) is definitely consistent with an Fe-ego:


It isn't that Fi types arent' decent at this too, it's just that Fi types dont think of it this way. Instead of caring about rubbing anyone the wrong way, an Fi type might care more about being thought of as a kind, good person and to be thought of as a good friend. At least, per my understanding.

So I agree, SEI seems to fit you pretty well!

Your understanding is horribly over generalized.

[Suz]

Your understanding is horribly over generalized.

Oh that was a gross over-simplification, i dont deny that at all...
Just a gestalt i got, that's all.

[mikesilb]

As a quick update, I now realize that ESE/alpha is most likely my type/quadra. Feel free to browse this particular thread in light of this new information.

[Olga]

As a quick update, I now realize that ESE/alpha is most likely my type/quadra. Feel free to browse this particular thread in light of this new information.

Could you please make a list of 5 - 7 songs from u-tube which you like the most and always liked which you can listen to at any time nearly. You can comment if you wish on every piece of music you like ( what and why do you like it). And also the art - 3-5 pictures which you would enjoy to look at and put into your room, maybe something you always liked. Here.

[mikesilb]

[mikesilb]

[Olga]

mikesilb - thannk you! will not be able to look into your usic until Friday - going away.

[Olga]

Hi mikesilb,
I listened to your music and I think that leading is TPE Ego. As regards to TPE profile I think that rationality is quite strongly evident that is why I would suggest Superego as a subtype TPE. I will need to listen again to have a second thought. Please, post your favourite pictures/artists here. I usually ask for pictures because in music and in pictures may be different subtype evident - it is similar but different criteria.
And if you can make the temperament test which shows not just one leading temperament but a profile like choleric - sunguinic then please do it and post the results here. Temperament is also an important criteria.