ILI or LII
I'm a pretty new to socionics although I've been into MBTI for a while now. I've been interested in socionics on and off but i've never really been able to get into it fully because it seems to be so unclear and contradictory in places however I've decided to make more of an effort this time round.
My main problem at the moment is trying to decide between ILI and LII, as an INTP in MBTI a lot of resources say that I am most likely an INTj and a lot of it does fit but I don't relate to being a rational much at all. I am one of the most appalingly messy people i have ever met, 5 minutes after I walk into a room it will look like a hurricane has swept through the place and it's not something that bothers me. I am, for the most part, quite happy to live in a mess but I am also happy in tidy surroundings, although it's unlikely that I'll keep them that way.
Another reason I doubt I'm and INTj is because although I can be decisive I don't like being so and I am likely to change my mind several time, what I prefer is when someone else makes the decisions, as long I can see the logic and reasoning behind them I'm generally quite happy.
I also have some views and opinions which, I know are potentially illogical. I think these are mainly due to my upbringing though, i grew up in a military family for the most part and so i am quite patriotic even though i can acknowledge that it's silly to be proud and protective of my country just because i was born here.
I am an enneagram 6 if that helps at all.
When i was deciding on my MBTI type i wrote a very long post answering a few questions which i think might be relevent to this so i'm just going to copy and paste it below.
1) What aspect of your personality made you unsure of your type?
Quite a few really, I am very sensitive to criticism although few people seem to realise, most of the time I'll just pretend it doesn't bother me but it'll linger for any where from a few hours to a few days and upset me. I wont change my behaviour, i'll carry on doing whatever it was but I still feel hurt. Sometimes I'll even encourage people that - don't like to insult me when i argue with them, it hurts but i feel strangely elated and energised. When I say it hurts I mean that I get this sinking feeling in my stomach.
When I was a younger teen i went through so many stereotypes it was shocking, a girl who i started secondary school with recently said that when she first met me she thought i was going to be really popular. I'm not, in fact at the moment I have like 3 friends, only one of which goes to school with me. I spent about a year speaking to nobody after i split up from a group of popular kids as the bitching and back stabbing was annoying me. I did the 'emo' thing, the anorexia thing where me and my at the time best friend would fast and binge until we started to get seriously ill and we stopped. None of it seems at all INTP to me.
I don't seem to think a lot, not in the way other Into seem to talk about it. i don't sit in my room thinking about life after death all the time, i'll do it occasionally but i much prefer to debate it than think about it if that makes sense however I only do that if someone else initiates it. I seem to spend most of my time reading fiction and watching tv shows. I get very obsessive about them at times and can watch at least 7 hours of something like gossip girl and still want more.
I pretty much live in a fantasy world, I will take characters from stories, films, history and books and make a world where I'm the centre of attention. Close my eyes and pretend I'm there for hours. I'll do it at school, work, in my room or in the car and a day rarely goes by when i don't read at least one novel they can range from anything as bad as twilight to something such as On the Road and I'll love it. Sometimes i think i might me addicted to stories.
I care about what people think a lot and I hate people judging me, if I think something I do might be less than average then i just wont do it and if i'm not naturally good at something I tend to give up. The only reason I'm doing a chemistry degree is because I showed a natural talent for grasping concepts in science easily when i was young so that's where i focused. I enjoy it but i'm not passionate about it, some areas can get me excited but most of the time it's just okay.
2) What do you yearn for in life? Why?
As sad as it sounds i just want to belong and be loved, i want to be able to be me without having to let worry about not meeting expectations, letting people down and making other people sad. I was a very sensitive child, i was the one who used to cry when my fish died, not because I was upset that i'd lost my fish but because I was sad and worried that the fish might have been upset or in pain. I lost that somewhere though and now I hate it when people know I'm upset.
3) Think about a time where you felt like you were at your finest. Tell us what made you feel that way.
I was doing coursework when i was younger for a chemistry exam and our teacher told us that no one ever got higher than 36 on it and non of us would either. I didn't even make an effort to prove him wrong, i just remember being fascinated with the topic and i loved being able to read through a paper, select relevant information and write about how it related to information from other sources and analyse what it meant for the hypothesis and draw a conclusion based on the information gathered from all the references. I ended up with 42 but although the mark was nice it didn't really mean that much to me until everyone else started complementing me on it. I just loved the process of writing the paper.
4) What makes you feel inferior?
Other people doing better than me, i'm not really competitive but if other people do better than me then they get the praise and the attention. Writing this has just made me realize how completely shallow i am. Might have something to do with me being an only child, and an only grandchild on one side though.
5) What tends to weigh on your decisions? (Do you think about people, pro-cons, how you feel about it, etc.)
It depends, when choosing my a level options my two main concerns were 'would it fit into future plans' and 'would it make my family proud', bare in mind that my future plans were also decided my things such as job prospects, level of difficulty and how my parents would perceive it. At one point i did consider doing history at university but i knew that my dad wanted me to do a 'real' subject like a science so that's where i started looking. Lucky for me it turned out pretty well though.
6) When working on a project what is normally your emphasis? Do you like to have control of the outcome?
I'm not really sure what is meant by this, do i want to be able to control the outcome of a project? If i like the project then no, i let it lead me but if I don't like the project then yes, i just want to get it over and done with.
7) Describe us a time where you had a lot of fun. How is your memory of it?
The last time i had lots of fun was probably my 18th birthday, never really felt closer to my friends than i did then. What i remember i remember clearly but i did drink quite a bit so that might be the reason.
8) When you want to learn something new, what feels more natural for you? (Are you more prone to be hands on, to theories, to memorise, etc)
When i learn something for enjoyment then i tend to theories but if i'm revising for a
test then i have to memorise otherwise i forget everything.
9) How organised do you to think of yourself as?
Trick question right? I know i had a carpet when i moved in...
10) How do you judge new ideas? You try to understand the principles behind it to see if they make sense or do you look for information that supports it?
I look for information that supports it, if someone tells me an idea i'll go 'ah, so it's like..." And give a real world example.
11) You find harmony by making sure everyone is doing fine and belonging to a given group or by making sure that you follow what you believe and being yourself?
The former without a doubt, if everyone else is happy then i tend to be as well. I hate seeing people left out or upset i'm just really bad at comforting them, i know how they're feeling i'm just not sure how i'm supposed to respond so i tend to offer solutions or give them example of how things aren't as bad as they seem.
12) Are you the kind that thinks before speaking or do you speak before thinking? Do you prefer one-on-one communication or group discussions?
I think before speaking, i've always hated being asked questions in class because they need an immediate, route memorised response. I like group discussions as it means i have more people to bounce ideas off it debate with and it also means i can just sit back and listen if i don't feel like talking. With one on one you're forced to talk or sit in an awkward silence.
13) Do you jump into action right away or do you like to know where are you jumping before leaping? Does action speaks more than words?
I think and then act, although if thinking doesn't show the most appropriate course of action then I'll go with my gut.
14) It's Saturday. You're at home, and your favourite show is about to start. Your friends call you for a night out. What will you do?
Tell them that I'm poorly and stay in. If i tell them that i don't want to they'll just ring and ring until i agree.
15) How do you act when you're stressed out?
Spoilt, self centered, i lie and avoid what ever is stressing me out. Read more than normal.
16) What makes you dislike the personalities of some people?
I hate people being loud and intrusive, i don't like it when people constantly need me to reassure them, very literal people can be annoying as well. People who act really emotional bother me as well as i don't know how to respond to it, if it's attention seeking then it just passes me off. People who act superior annoy me.
17) Is there anything you really like talking about with other people?
science and politics as long as they not acting stuck up or too forceful about their opinions. Can be partial to gossip but i don't go looking for it.
18) What kind of things do pay the least attention to in your life
Being tidy, i like looking pretty and wearing nice clothes but a lot of the time it's just too much effort. I tend to neglect my friends for long periods of time and then reconnect with them for a few months before i start neglecting them again. I have a really bad tendency to just ignore rules, i don't try to break them but if it takes effort to follow them then i don't
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