im really bored and everybody else is doing it okay yeah i'm weak.
"Everybody is doing it" part is worth mentioning.
I voted for ESI, because being a standard chatter in IRC almost eliminates beta/alpha (except for some visitors who are kinda immune to the serious quadra charm) and I don't get the "holy"-vibe from you like from some other EIIs (since Fi looks like a good choice). I also don't think that Se is your polr, you don't seem to be too afraid of conflict situations or generally a thin-skinned person. Ne makes more sense as polr.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
i agree but i'm curious what this looks like from the outside since it seems to be pretty much taken for granted by most. and i wonder if it just has become a standard like when you first came and you were "either LII or ILI" and i was like duh ILI of course. and now SLI seems obvious but i wasn't taking that into account at first because the "standard" was INTx.Originally Posted by Pa3s
edit: when *i* first came. i see myself as omnipresent, apparently.
This is a very justified question. Of course, as everyone else, I'm influenced by the "public opinion". But as we know, you have to have at exactly one leading IE and since you are introverted in my opinion, there are only four left. I could also say that you appear to be more rational than perceiving, and that would basically leave Ti and Fi. You're also different from all those IEIs (and we have a lot) and Te fits you better than Ti.
It's similar to the approach how I tried to identify my type. I oriented myself on the IEs, their meaning to me and which I preferred and that quickly leads you to your preferred quadra, in a more or less reliable way. The last thing you have to do is to pick your type of those four.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
If all my friends jumped off a bridge I can without a doubt say that I would too... I mean all my friends just suicided themselves and now I have no one to talk to about it
Easy Day
*grabs lungs by the lungs and takes her with him*
That's self-explanatory. You're dead.If all my friends jumped off a bridge I can without a doubt say that I would too... I mean all my friends just suicided themselves and now I have no one to talk to about it
Aw man... *plays dead* I hate this game. Can I stop yet?
Easy Day
Fangs too. Voted ESI.
I don't think you're weak.
"We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.".
ISFj is the safest bet at this point. if woofl, wookie and dolphin can be gamma SFs i don't see why you can't. but i still think you're the shittiest Ne-PoLR ever and i don't regret having been skeptical of it up to now.
thanks but I wont hold it against you when you change your mind again.
yeah I get confused when people type dolphin and wookie gamma sf but think I'm too good with abstraction. a different kind of abstraction? that's why I was confused by wookies vote.
I probably make a shitty ne polr as well as a shitty se polr. I also think I'm something more like fe/ti polr and the most attractive types are ips and only like two or three reinin dichotomies tops actually apply to me. cest la vie.
its probably due to not having a similar ISxJ to compare to and/or attributing the abstraction to "Ne role" or what not. ttytt i don't think they're entirely illegitimate arguments, although weak ones on their own.
i'm being told the same holds for me, so there is always a temptation for me to think you're going through the same thing as me and should just stick to what you've typed yourself from the start like i do. i personally think it's a bad mind warp to turn your back on past convictions. it creates this weird "this time is different" effect where you say "i was crazy then, but TRUST ME now!" i think if i ever found out i was mistyped, that would be the end of my interest in the theory. but the funny thing is, that is sort of what you describe you're going through. and all this reminds me of my old INTp type doubt episode i told you about as well.
the Fi base is in a sense more of a "core" to your personality than the PoLR, so i don't think the dislike of Ti/Fe is all that strange. that being said though, if you get any sort of supervision sense from my Ti you must be very good at hiding it.
about IP types: wasn't it Si base types particularly? i spy a little bit of selective citing there.
about reinin: ignore it
Bah. I do see a similarity between you and dolphin. I officially hate Socionics.
I've seen you dualize with Ashton the gamma way.
It was like insulting...but for fun. I don't remember the details.
Some kind of IJ I think. ESI or LSI works. All of my efforts to communicate with you have been downright confusing.
@lungs
In the recent reinin test thread, for yourself, you had chosen Introvert, Static, Constructivist, and possibly Tactical. For some unknown reason, I was curious which traits I would choose if I had to type you this method. The ones I came up with were Sensing, Asking, Rational. What do you think of those as applicable to yourself?
I chose Sensing because of "Slowly absorbs new information, but thanks to good digestion keeps it in memory for a long time." I chose this because you don't seem to jump on new information/ideas quickly, jumping to conclusions about the idea/situation/etc. Watching you in irc and many of your posts and questions regarding socionics on the forum, I can almost see you slowly chewing over the information, tasting it, smelling it, and testing it out, before temporarily swallowing it. If it seems to settle, then it 'sticks'. If it comes back up, it's rejected, at least partially. This does not in any way imply that I think you are slow. Far from it. Cautious might be a better term?
I also chose Sensing because of the variety of links you bring up from tumblr and such. And the pictures and music you collect or link to. The ones that seem your favorite are ones that seem to demand paying attention to it, in order to see what you found so attractive in it, much in the same way that you chew over ideas.
I chose Asking because on irc and in the forum, you do more asking than you do declaring anything. Even when you do declare something, there's a sense of unsureness about it, as if the sentence/statement ends in a question mark. As if asking "Does that make sense?" One of the things that I admire about you is that you ask questions. You don't pretend to know something even if you've only got a glimmer of an idea of it. You're willing to explore things, even if you don't particularly care for the subject. (like socionics) And you want to know what other people's opinions and thoughts are while you're chewing over the info. (yes, I'm sick of the chewing metaphor too, sorry)
I chose Rational because it seems that when someone brings you information, it seems that you assess it almost immediately, and then "comes up with a response to the situation using his/her experience". The person gets feedback almost right then and there..almost..about how it might or might not relate to your own experiences/thoughts on it. This is one of the reasons why I enjoyed talking with you on irc. I ramble, you don't. And I could almost rely on you to help keep me focused on the topic/subject at hand, even though you probably didn't know that I did that. (Hope you're not bothered by that.)
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Anyways, I was just curious what you thought of those three traits. Where my perceptions might differ from your own on these. Hopefully none of them were offensive to you.
none of this sounds really off to me. what stood out to me as easiest to identify with was the metaphor for how i take in new information. i have to try it on and wear it for awhile before deciding if it like it. i still might reject it outright and i still might have opinions about it that might weigh on my final verdict (and i think this came in when you talked about rationality). whats kind of interesting is that some of the stuff you say about me in regards to sensing and asking are things i think people attribute to intuition - thinking things over instead of jumping to conclusions, being willing to explore ideas.
interesting what you say about the pictures i post. when i'm on tumblr i scroll through thousands of pictures and the ones that i put on my blog or share here are the ones that grab my attention out of the huge heap. so they do demand i pay attention, but i never really thought about it as "to see what you found so attractive" and i don't really get that part? i'm always curious about peoples' reactions to the art i like because i know that pictures strike everybody differently and its interesting to see how somebody else got something out of it that was so much different than i did.
i'm not bothered by anything you wrote and its nice what you said about irc. (: unlike me, you seem to always have something to say and to be able to keep things interesting so its nice having you around there.
lol, aw. i never noticed it was that bad. i can be a shitty conversationalist when i dont have anything to talk about so it might just be that. thanks for the input though. (:
SEI; I've already made my case.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
yes, you did:
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
I think I was confusing her with someone else. There were three women who came here when she did at the same time, so I couldn't manage effectively (duh!!! for very obvious reasons, which I need not mention again -Te DS) who was who.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
i like your looks, lungs. i can sort of see why people see you as "earthy" like you once said. you have a nice deep voice, i had imagined it higher pitched for some reason.
ISFj makes sense based on your vid.
The real question is; how do you know that and how can you make that assessment?
The next question is:
Do you trust the wiki socion descriptions of types? and when you read external sources, are they convincing to you?
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
So the process is this:
1. You watch my activities. I typed you two different things.
2. You observe my activity patterns. I am confused a lot.
3. You make an assessment based on the above? Errotic typings and unmanageable approach, which is Te DS, you assumed I was confused.
4. What do you think you were doing most of? Perceiving (watching things happen) or judging (concluding things that happened)? And, what were you perceiving/judging, my conscious functions or my subconscious functions?
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Actually three different. Wait until you get to eight.
Why do you remain so quiet when you're asked questions? Does it hurt you to think and ponder on these things?
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
She's just not so humanist as you are.
Pretty certain that remaining quiet doesn't have anything to do with the qualities of being a humanist.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Judging by your behaviour, the only true EII humanist who jabbers 24/7, it doesn't have anything to do with being a humanist. I think you confused those scholars of the Renaissance who were called humanists with a person having concern for other peoples values and so on.
Anyway, what is your unchanging and confimed typing of lungs?
lol. i was getting dressed because i was about to go to the store but now i'm waiting for someone and i have a little time. i'll have to be brief.
wikisocion/external sources
i find them useful but i don't know any particular reason to trust one more than any other unless they correspond to my own experience in which case i'm just going by my own experience anyway.
What do you think you were doing most of? Perceiving (watching things happen) or judging (concluding things that happened)? And, what were you perceiving/judging, my conscious functions or my subconscious functions?
i can't exclude one or the other. i observed and i made a guess based on my observations. i never did make any conclusions; though, like i said, it was just an educated guess.
Does it hurt you to think and ponder on these things?
what things in particular? socionics? it depends on how its framed and what questions i'm being asked to ponder.
k, later
Te PoLR
Yes you did observe and yes that was followed by a guess based on the observation, rather than you making a theory and following it or gathering facts to support it; hence the reverse of what I or any other rational type does. Jung makes a very specific point that Perceptual types observe other people's subconscious and that Rational types observe other people's conscious functions; that would actually mean that you were looking at my Te DS and not my Fi. That would also mean that you're a perceptual type.
nevermind about this point
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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