Will you please give an example? What kinds of things do you teach? And in what situations? How do you go about it -- do you lecture or what?Originally Posted by Director Abbie
How do others react? I assume Delta NFs like it. True?
Will you please give an example? What kinds of things do you teach? And in what situations? How do you go about it -- do you lecture or what?
How do others react? I assume Delta NFs like it. True?
Actually, Delta NFs like to teach too. One of the EII subtypes is called "the teacher."
I teach whatever someone is curious about. I enjoy answering questions. Lecturing isn't really my style; I like to be concise.
That's one of the ways i actually feel i can recognize delta STs. In my normal state when i'm not worried about monitoring myself or what i say, i have a lot of random questions. Also, my learning style is such that I learn best when i can be doing something and asking as i go along. If i have to sit in a lecture and listen for an hour or two and save my questions for the end or for office hours, it just doesn't work too well for me because by then my question is out of context, and also i had to listen to the rest of the lecture with that question (or those questions) lingering in my mind, so the rest of the lecture may not have made sense to me. And furthermore, when factual information is provided to me, I suddenly have a flood of new questions, and also I start coming up with ideas (that may be how Te activation works for me)
As such, the delta ST teaching approach has worked really well for me. As Abbie mentioned, delta STs seem to be invigorated by my questions and feel honored at the chance to share their knowledge. There is no such thing as a stupid question to them. In contrast, betas (STs as well as NFs) that I've worked with tend to get annoyed if not outright MAD at me asking questions. Also what often seems like a stupid question that I am asking, in my mind it isn't stupid because there is a reason i am asking it (and usually if they think it's a stupid question it's because they aren't seeing what i'm seeing yet, or they havent stopped to consider what i am considering).
p.s. I zone out and daydream in lecture. That is, unless it's a clear, concise presentation that holds my attention. those are usually provided by Te egos, Te-doms specifically. Fe-dom can deliver a captivating presentation too though. They hate questions and interruptions though, i've noticed.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
I think I often do things like that. It wouldn't be something like "Today kids, we learn how to craft pretty figures with chestnuts." but rather things I have realized myself and which amazed me.
Once during an excursion with my study course I rambled for two hours about my current ideas what's wrong with our society. I talked to 2 or 3 people, but they simply sat there and listened, that was pretty cool. They even asked some questions and I was glad to answer them. And if it comes to teaching people how to do stuff (like handling computer programs, I used to explain a lot when I was still in school), I helped whenever I could. I was really proud when somebody told me that I could explain it much better than the teacher. I just tried to put myself in the position of the person who doesn't understand how it works. I figured that teachers often explain things from their professional position which isn't necessarily understood by their students.
It is a really satisfying experience to me to explain things and to help somebody with that, or simply show them another way of thinking.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
I remember really liking the Teacher/Student archetype that whoever-the-hell wrote about somewhere. The best relationships for me are always ones where both sides are able to learn from each other, where each side has their own perspective that they love to tell each other about. If it gets too one-sided where I'm the one who's "learning" everything then the relationship will get uncomfortable to me, like he ultimately has greater control over my actions and thoughts. This isn't necessarily relegated to romantic relationships either, this happens with most of the teachers I've ever known.
I would have to agree with what Galen wrote here. If a person is doing a lot more teaching/instructor to me and I am back, I'll feel like I'm worthless. If I'm doing more of the teaching, I get irritated by either one's lack of comprehension or more uncertain about my methods of teaching. I do not like to be seen as useless or incompetent, but I also don't like being the instructor constantly.
From my experience, I believe the true value for Delta STs is that they point out how certain things are much easier to do one way or another. Sometimes, I expend too much energy on some small things like washing dishes or doing one particular homework problem in chemistry and it's no wonder why I can be turned off by such unpleasant tasks so easily. Somebody like a Delta ST is a true gift in my presence because where the simplest tasks to get something done get made so difficult, the ST serves as the corrective force to keep things moving smoothly.
As EII I dont especially like to teach "cold" material like math, how to do X how to do Y how to improve Z with rationnalz ect. Im generally more teached than teacher on this, or perhaps even forced in some field.
What amaze me instead is to "teach", more like "guide" for things I like or previous passion Ive had, things Ive spend time into ect. 2 year ago Ive been associated with a guy who had a vinyl records shop (was student at this time), we was strongly involved into some movement like free party, actual parisian underground, zen buddhism (more he less myself for this one)... It was great to discuss with "customer" with different view, to "guide" them to what I previously discovered in music or idea or related stuff, discover hidden personnal personnal story, sharing idea, ect... I like when ppl unexpectedly get interested into things they was not inclined to before entering the shop, like thats a part of themself they ignore.
Ive discovered lately that the motivation for that was 100% egoistical, lol. But that was a great experience
For the thread topic I think that depend of what you call teaching, in my scholarity for example a vast majority of teacher Ive had was EII or IEE (esp in language matter for the last), and "some" LII esp. in college... Delta ST teacher possibly being more frequent in teaching more "factual stuff" and "way to do things" in the work world outside education.
admit thats a big problem as Fi user, at time you dont know if you do things for yourself or other, or worst for other validation... That suck, I actually try to "overcome" thati've been criticized by many by my need for validation (the vast majority being Ti- valuing types)
Last edited by noid; 04-19-2012 at 09:10 AM.
"The final delusion is the belief that one has lost all delusion."
-- Maurice Chapelain
Not true. A stupid question is one you already know the answer to. For example: Anon, are you a guy?
great point lol...
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Yeah, I love to teach, explain, decontruct, rebuild, debate, etc. In fact, it's one of the few ways I'll begin to seriously relate to you. Extra bonus if you can teach me about something I'm interested in. In university, I used to be quite popular among my circle of peers come lab and exam time since I would always sit down and explain a concept that was immediately present in a paper. A lot of people try to hoard info, but I also take a more democratic approach by disseminating it. I like to think it's because it empowers others, but maybe it's just an excuse to brag.
SLI/ISTp -- Te subtype
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Cool. That's probably why I like how the Te types I have met irl communicate. They seem to be able to make a complex theoretical subject more "digestable" and easily associated with real life.
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