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    Recommend your favorite books. I look forward to reading them.

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    You won't like what I read; I read mostly non fiction books, biographies and psychology books.

    I'm reading Quiet, a book on introverts, by Susan Cain, now.
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    The State by Plato, Terry Pratchett's Discworld series, The Little Prince, Tao Teh Ching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    The State by Plato, Terry Pratchett's Discworld series, The Little Prince, Tao Teh Ching.
    Terry Pratchett has been recommended to me by a friend.

    Which book should I start with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinxi View Post
    Which book should I start with?
    Basically anything from the Discworld series. The quality is pretty stable from one book to the other.
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    If I could only ever recommend one book, now or forever, I'd recommend "The Magic of Thinking Big" by David Schwartz. By far better than any book I had to read growing up for school, through college, etc. I know some people may think I'm gung-ho about success principles. But truly, if you want a better life, in whatever you do, want to be more successful, however you define success, I recommend that book. In particular, Chapters 2, 12, and 13 will push your mindset way ahead of your peers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    The State by Plato, Terry Pratchett's Discworld series, The Little Prince, Tao Teh Ching.
    Damn I was gonna recommend The little Prince too! haha. One of the most amazing books I have reread for a long time.

    I read an interesting book by Louisa May Alcott called A long fatal love chase. It's very interesting. It's part of the Gothic Romanticism Era literature. I like Anne Rice. She proves you don't need to be born in an era in order to belong to it. She is mistress of Gothic Romanticism. It's one of my favorite eras..age of enlightenment following after.

    Gosh there are lot's to think of.... Aristotle's Metaphysics... George Orwell, Marcel Proust (Incredible work.... just incredible) H.G Wells and Jules Verne. Interesting connections between the latter twos work.

    Carl Sagan, Richard Feynman and Stephen Hawking's books are amazing! If you are interested in those subjects.

    What do you like to read?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kent Lorne View Post
    Damn I was gonna recommend The little Prince too! haha. One of the most amazing books I have reread for a long time.

    I read an interesting book by Louisa May Alcott called A long fatal love chase. It's very interesting. It's part of the Gothic Romanticism Era literature. I like Anne Rice. She proves you don't need to be born in an era in order to belong to it. She is mistress of Gothic Romanticism. It's one of my favorite eras..age of enlightenment following after.

    Gosh there are lot's to think of.... Aristotle's Metaphysics... George Orwell, Marcel Proust (Incredible work.... just incredible) H.G Wells and Jules Verne. Interesting connections between the latter twos work.

    Carl Sagan, Richard Feynman and Stephen Hawking's books are amazing! If you are interested in those subjects.

    What do you like to read?
    +1 to Carl Sagan. Joseph Campbell is a treat as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    +1 to Carl Sagan. Joseph Campbell is a treat as well.
    Joseph Campbell is amazing! Oh the things he can do to your soul...

    I have personally never read The Illustrated Man. I'll take that recommendation too Gilly. Sounds wonderful. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    The State by Plato, Terry Pratchett's Discworld series, The Little Prince, Tao Teh Ching.
    Wow, this is like perfect!
    Moonlight will fall
    Winter will end
    Harvest will come
    Your heart will mend

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    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    Wow, this is like perfect!
    Strange that you found them all attractive options. It's not like there's a clear red line between them. I get the feeling that you and I have nice share of similarities.
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    The Perks of being a wall flower is very much a Ni book. I would advocate it to anyone.
    Novel wise - I like Odd Thomas, the ending was gut-wrenching.
    Philosophically - The Tao Te Ching, the tao of physics. The latter has a nice way of connecting the eastern mysticism's and by a small leap, the western religions as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    You won't like what I read; I read mostly non fiction books, biographies and psychology books.

    I'm reading Quiet, a book on introverts, by Susan Cain, now.
    That sounds interesting. How is it going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkster View Post
    The way you think/talk about "getting ahead" of others is a bit distasteful to my liking.

    And your general forum presence doesn't fit the ENFp sociotype at all. Maybe you're just pushing your mindset way ahead of us. Don't try too hard though.
    Oh really? Distasteful to your liking? Good for you and your opinion.

    Why wouldn't you want to 'get ahead'? You're not a 'everybody should be equal' socialist, are you, Parkster?

    By the way, "Last edited by Parkster; Today at 02:56 AM." I saw what your originally posted. Why you felt the need to change your post to something more insulting, 2 hours later at night, is beyond me. But yes, it teaches integrity too.

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    Ohhhh PLEASE this is NOT literature, SIGH.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jinxi View Post
    Recommend your favorite books. I look forward to reading them.
    I believe it qualifies as a "book" and fits the context of this thread. Perhaps if you read it, FDG, you'd understand why I recommend it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Oh really? Distasteful to your liking? Good for you and your opinion.
    Did you take offense at that, MD? Would you rather have me lie and tell you I like/agree with it? Maybe you would prefer if I kept every negative thing to myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Why wouldn't you want to 'get ahead'? You're not a 'everybody should be equal' socialist, are you, Parkster?
    No, but there are certain aspects of humanity in which I do regard and do my best to treat everyone as equals. Some people have called me libertarian in the past, even though I do not subscribe to any particular philosophy.

    And it isn't about "wanting" (or not wanting) to get ahead, it's about the concept of thinking about life as a horse race that goes against some of my values.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    I saw what your originally posted.
    Okay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Why you felt the need to change your post to something more insulting, 2 hours later at night, is beyond me.
    I didn't feel the need to change my post to something more insulting, so back off with your assumptions. I returned to the forum, read the post, and thought of something that better reflects how I felt about you said. I didn't think about it in terms of whether and/or how much insulting it is going to be received as. Emotional connotations are something I rarely ever think about (consider) when writing or talking to people. What matters to me the most is to be truthful and accurate in depicting my views/opinions/feelings/etc. If you* get insulted in the process, I don't care. If you think I said something with the intent to insult you, you're probably wrong. And if you insist on thinking I intentionally insulted you after I tell you I didn't, you're a douche.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    But yes, it teaches integrity too.
    Good.


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    Anything by Herman Hesse. A prophet if there ever was one, and one of the most brilliant storytellers in our history.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkster View Post
    Would you rather have me lie and tell you I like/agree with it? Maybe you would prefer if I kept every negative thing to myself.
    I'd rather you control what you say. I'll simply quote the great Lou Holtz on this one: "Don't tell your problems to people: eighty percent don't care; and the other twenty percent are glad you have them."

    Quote Originally Posted by Parkster View Post
    No, but there are certain aspects of humanity in which I do regard and do my best to treat everyone as equals. Some people have called me libertarian in the past, even though I do not subscribe to any particular philosophy.
    Yes, I believe in some aspects we are all equal. I believe people can put themselves in a position to win, however.

    Quote Originally Posted by Parkster View Post
    And it isn't about "wanting" (or not wanting) to get ahead, it's about the concept of thinking about life as a horse race that goes against some of my values.
    *edit* I just removed my first answer, perhaps it could be viewed as offensive. Mind if I ask, Parkster, are you independent, working and paying all your bills, rent etc., have your own place? Your not wanting the world to be a 'horse race' just makes me feel like you're not independent yet, or experienced what it's like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    *edit* I just removed my first answer, perhaps it could be viewed as offensive. Mind if I ask, Parkster, are you independent, working and paying all your bills, rent etc., have your own place? Your not wanting the world to be a 'horse race' just makes me feel like you're not independent yet, or experienced what it's like.
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    I don't think the world should be a horse race either.

    Hmm two books I've read lately both coincidentally are set during the Holocaust: Sarah's Key and The Book Thief. Both very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    I'd rather you control what you say. I'll simply quote the great Lou Holtz on this one: "Don't tell your problems to people: eighty percent don't care; and the other twenty percent are glad you have them."
    Wow, you're a douche.

    I mean, it's not like I LIKE hearing my girlfriend and friends and people on the forum bitch, it sucks and brings negative energy, but as long as it's not excessive, it's a very healthy practice to vent frustrations and negative feelings. Not doing so is a recipe for nothing but self-hatred, anxiety, and emotional isolationism.

    I just removed my first answer, perhaps it could be viewed as offensive. Mind if I ask, Parkster, are you independent, working and paying all your bills, rent etc., have your own place? Your not wanting the world to be a 'horse race' just makes me feel like you're not independent yet, or experienced what it's like.
    Lol wow, you presumptuous ass. I actually don't get along with Parkster but I have to stand up for him on this one.

    You, my friend, are a relic of the 1950s and what was once again reflected in the 1980s: sterile American success-idealizing who's-the-best-ant mentality and it's rather pathetic. In fact I personally find it repugnant. I can see it in your face in your avatar; you have the glazed look of someone who has been seduced to believe that he will be happy or get what he's looking for as long as he follows a certain formula. It's a lie and it will make you die unhappy and emotionally alone, whether you wind up in an expensive high-rise condo or a bougie mansion with 4 kids. Prescribing a "recipe for success" is what institutions like religions are based upon: setting false expectations in order to encourage compliance and subservience. These values are promoted by the wealthy or those in positions of power or influence to make people feel as though their hamster wheel is going somewhere. You are being jerked around by your dick and I hope you realize it before you wind up with an even emptier look in your eye in exchange for a full bank account.
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    If you want to read the most poignant short stories you'll ever encounter, read The Illustrated Man by Ray Bradbury. Absolute genius.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I mean, it's not like I LIKE hearing my girlfriend and friends and people on the forum bitch, it sucks and brings negative energy, but as long as it's not excessive, it's a very healthy practice to vent frustrations and negative feelings. Not doing so is a recipe for nothing but self-hatred, anxiety, and emotional isolationism.
    I can understand where you're coming from. I thought the quote was rough the first time I heard it, but then I realized, anytime you vent to get out negative, it's only a short-term relief. It creates a bad cycle of needing to vent to feel better. It's tough to hold back at first, but when you can overcome your problems on your own, you become more confident and more independent. I don't feel the need to vent anymore about anything, I'm quite relaxed. I feel bad for others who still *need* to vent to overcome, sorry that they haven't discovered peace of mind yet.

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    Lol wow, you presumptuous ass. I actually don't get along with Parkster but I have to stand up for him on this one.
    I asked him a question to confirm my suspicion. I left the door open to being wrong, so I didn't just "presume" I was correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    You, my friend, are a relic of the 1950s and what was once again reflected in the 1980s: sterile American success-idealizing who's-the-best-ant mentality and it's rather pathetic. In fact I personally find it repugnant. I can see it in your face in your avatar; you have the glazed look of someone who has been seduced to believe that he will be happy or get what he's looking for as long as he follows a certain formula. It's a lie and it will make you die unhappy and emotionally alone, whether you wind up in an expensive high-rise condo or a bougie mansion with 4 kids. Prescribing a "recipe for success" is what institutions like religions are based upon: setting false expectations in order to encourage compliance and subservience. These values are promoted by the wealthy or those in positions of power or influence to make people feel as though their hamster wheel is going somewhere. You are being jerked around by your dick and I hope you realize it before you wind up with an even emptier look in your eye in exchange for a full bank account.
    I believe in empowerment, not 'compliance and subservience' which you "presume". In fact, I stand against people feeling like a 'hamster' or running the 'rat race' in life, I encourage people to think and take control of their lives. Any time you change, or step outside your comfort zone, it can be uncomfortable, Gilly. I'm going somewhere in my life, going to be successful financially, emotionally, spiritually, personally, etc., and would like others to come along. But hey, you're entitled to live your life however you want, and if you want to stand on the sidelines and criticize how I pursue my goals, you're more than welcome to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Prescribing a "recipe for success" is what institutions like religions are based upon: setting false expectations in order to encourage compliance and subservience. These values are promoted by the wealthy or those in positions of power or influence to make people feel as though their hamster wheel is going somewhere.
    I fully agree. Institutions like the church or the state set up lifestyle ideals in the name of "society" and tell you how to achieve them. However, they always profit themselves from your hard work to reach the said goal. You're better off if you question those ideals seriously and think about if that's what you really want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Wow, you're a douche.

    I mean, it's not like I LIKE hearing my girlfriend and friends and people on the forum bitch, it sucks and brings negative energy, but as long as it's not excessive, it's a very healthy practice to vent frustrations and negative feelings. Not doing so is a recipe for nothing but self-hatred, anxiety, and emotional isolationism.



    Lol wow, you presumptuous ass. I actually don't get along with Parkster but I have to stand up for him on this one.

    You, my friend, are a relic of the 1950s and what was once again reflected in the 1980s: sterile American success-idealizing who's-the-best-ant mentality and it's rather pathetic. In fact I personally find it repugnant. I can see it in your face in your avatar; you have the glazed look of someone who has been seduced to believe that he will be happy or get what he's looking for as long as he follows a certain formula. It's a lie and it will make you die unhappy and emotionally alone, whether you wind up in an expensive high-rise condo or a bougie mansion with 4 kids. Prescribing a "recipe for success" is what institutions like religions are based upon: setting false expectations in order to encourage compliance and subservience. These values are promoted by the wealthy or those in positions of power or influence to make people feel as though their hamster wheel is going somewhere. You are being jerked around by your dick and I hope you realize it before you wind up with an even emptier look in your eye in exchange for a full bank account.
    I still think you're a dipshit, but kudos for being honest. And realistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    I'd rather you control what you say. I'll simply quote the great Lou Holtz on this one: "Don't tell your problems to people: eighty percent don't care; and the other twenty percent are glad you have them."
    I'm sure there's a street beggar in Somalia who knows that, and I bet he never heard of Lou Holtz.

    But I don't understand why you would quote something completely irrelevant to our discussion. I didn't share a problem with you, I expressed disagreement/dislike.

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    Yes, I believe in some aspects we are all equal. I believe people can put themselves in a position to win, however.
    Win what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    *edit* I just removed my first answer, perhaps it could be viewed as offensive.
    Perhaps...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    Mind if I ask, Parkster, are you independent, working and paying all your bills, rent etc., have your own place?

    Your not wanting the world to be a 'horse race' just makes me feel like you're not independent yet, or experienced what it's like.
    No comment...

    But here's a question. Do you, MD, as independent and ahead in life as you are, need "greats" like this Lou Hooever to tell you how much people care about your problems and how to act upon them? Aren't you capable of learning these things by yourself/from your own experience?
    Last edited by Park; 02-21-2012 at 12:06 PM. Reason: slight correction
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkster View Post
    I'm sure there's a street beggar in Somalia who knows that, and I bet he never heard of Lou Holtz.

    But I don't understand why you would quote something completely irrelevant to our discussion. I didn't share a problem with you, I expressed disagreement/dislike.



    Win what?



    Perhaps...



    No comment...

    But here's a question. Do you, MD, as independent and ahead in life as you are, need "greats" like this Lou Hooever to tell you how much people care about your problems and how to act upon them? Aren't you capable of learning these things by yourself/from your own experience?
    I can't teach calculus to someone who doesn't know algebra. I'm sorry, but explaining this isn't worth my time. You'll learn in due time anyway, as you go through life.

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