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IEI through SLE's eyes: what is that like? (INFp-ESTp)
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Last edited by Kent Lorne; 02-20-2012 at 01:05 PM.
http://socioniko.net/en/1.3.rels/dual-2p.html
IEI sends out the signs of the quiet emotional dreamy reflective person who can do foresights and the SLE wants to protect that fragile victim.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Pffft.....but thanks for making me sound like a super hero.
Originally Posted by Agee The Great
I've often experience that for myself. When I feel like I can't get something done because I can't influence or change people's minds, an SLE finds the idea or knows just what to do to get it done. My LSI boss is hard to deal with and he can get demanding about things that are too detailed and insignificant; I run to the SLE manager and she knows how to talk to him, to get across him. It's nice.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Hi Maritsa. Thanks for your post and the link! I have read this article before. And I totally get the quiet, dreamy, emotional, reflective thing ... especially the fragile victim aspect. But... would you have some examples of situations and interactions between SLE/IEIs you might have witnessed? I am kind of looking for specifics in that hemisphere.
Also, I have read that IEIs can take on a lot of different personalities. I always think of them somewhere as shapeshifters. I do have my own identity, but I can live out another identity, just not for long. Eventually I will grow tired and I need to revert back to how I naturally look and feel. I would love to know whether other IEIs feel this way. Instead of long term behavior modification, I have always found it easy to shift states of consciousness, which is relatively easy for Ni s and it's almost like you empathetically morph the personality mask on to yourself and you have all the emotional and energy information you need regarding this image and you start functioning from it. I presume an SLE needs spend a lot of time with an IEI then to realize first of all that they are IEI ! If the world is a tough place and a place that is less than, then this is the best form of protection for IEIs. You can't hurt an IEI if you can't recognize em. So, While the dreamy, reflective, emotional is true, there is so much more going on behind that. When I am quiet, I am very quiet...but when I start talking, that's it! I won't shut up. I will have a million questions and the more I ask the more I wanna know.
In terms of foresight, I have always related to the word vision more than foresight. When it comes to vision I feel the same sense of drive and fire to manifest it, as much as an SLE would have for, everything else. Except low Se energy takes a toll.
You know, here is the thing, the descriptions of the IEI and SLE all in their own way make sense and what they cover seems accurate, but not the whole story.
For example, I never got this "play dead" attitude with SLEs. I would never play dead with an SLE. When I pick a fight with an SLE, I have this sick perverse need to fight back! I never fight back generally cause either I feel too tired, or in shock, or don't know how to fight back or respond... I come up with great come backs like 2 hours later! Or sometimes I feel the consequences are not worth it. I should shut my mouth, and address the problem some other way which won't affect the relationship, which might prove to be helpful at a later time. So in that sense, I think IEIs can be just as calculating as SLEs. But the one type I love to fight back with is the SLE. I am always curious as to what they are gonna do. Is it gonna hurt or is it gonna feel great, or both! I think an IEI needs to vent! Badly! And no place like the SLE to vent at. Now this is a bit contradictory to the descriptions. The IEI is suppose to be the one to take it, the SLE is the one who barks. So somewhere the quiet, demure, angel look seems a bit stereotypical. As in, sure, the IEI has that look, but that's just a look. There is A LOT going below that surface. Such as WW3! What the SLE experiences and sees outside, the IEI according to me, sees inside. It's a war inside! But it's all an illusion. I feel the relationship somewhere is about breaking out of illusions. The SLE grabs and shakes the IEI vigorously telling it that what's happening inside is not real! The IEI grabs the SLE and shakes it hard on the outside and says " This ain't real too! This is as big an illusion as any inner world! You can reconstruct the world ! Now get to it, I got a blueprint, I was up all night workin on it, that's why I look tired !" And the SLE suddenly realizes why the IEI always looks tired. He thought it was weakness and inertia, it was actually overwork! You can't tell with ILIs and IEIs.... they are like planets. They are spinning but you can't tell with the naked eye!
I have read that the IEI and SLE experience a play - fight relationship. Now that makes sense! I once slapped an SLE and it felt just as good as kissing him. Now this description of the play - fight. That made a lot of sense.
Just as much as SLEs don't constantly have this look that they are out to conquer the world, IEIs don't always look like the 2nd coming.
That's what I call a wall of text,
Cocaine is a helluva drug.
"The Humanist, as a rule, is an exceptionally honest and conscientious partner. He willingly processes great quantities of information, draws general conclusions and schedules actions. The Administrator sees planning as a problem."
The only time they see it as a problem is when they can't do everything they want to do; they don't strive to compartmentalize the things to do instead striving for efficiency, which is getting as much done as possible. This is where they need me to not overemphasize onpreference which is to prioritize tasks or to organize but to schedule action; that is take out a calendar and say this is when you should do this and that; to spread out their to do list and to schedule rest time for them, because LSE always have work coming up (they are always working for find that there's work to do and get very little rest as a result of massive energy output).
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
If you're really Ni subtype then Se subtype is your dual. They stick out like a sore thumb.
Sorry I didn't read your new posts. True, going out there and meeting them is the best. Real life, nothing like it. Well Se subtypes stick out like a sore thumb to me! I guess I was wondering if my Ni subtype sticks out like a sore thumb to them! (-: But like you said, you have to go out there and meet them. I do have experience with them. But I worked for them. It was a business relationship. Not a romantic relationship.
Well the walls of text were replies to Octo. I don't see the problem with walls of text. Just a mattering of sharing. When one talks it's fluid, but when one writes that fluidity is lost. Anywho, is there a way to delete the walls of text?
Okay found a way to delete the texts.
pretty good thread. I second everything octo has said. Very similar to what I've experienced also. And I do think some of this is just instinctual. An SLE just feels calmer or relaxed around IEI once he knows she's not going to judge him, and that most of the stuff he says makes her laugh which validates him. And I think it's also about mystery. IEIs can be mysterious and unpredictable. SLEs love that. As well as the open-mindedness that surprises him when he sees her as pure or untainted initially. And then he feels he can let down his guard even more and that he's accepted by her, even his less traditional and dirty-minded self. LOL
Hi Redbaron! Thanks a lot! You actually cleared a lot of things for me in your post. I like the way you put it that it's about a non judgmental environment. More than perception, you actually explained the reason behind that perception. Thanks for that. Doesn't the SLE ever laugh at the IEI's jokes? (-: I think I was a bit confused with the stereotype of the cuddly bear look. I know IEIs who don't look like they belong on a care bear episode! haha. I don't get the pure and untainted aspect... The confusion is in how I feel versus what SLEs see. I don't feel calm. My mind is going through a million thoughts. But to the SLE I still come off calm... I don't feel pure and untainted, but yet that's how it comes off. That's where I am confused.
My type is yet unconfirmed but I guess some I'm SLEish as most IEIs agree it for my typing and I usually date only IEIs. So I think I might have some kind of say on these matters.
Realize that your run-of-the-mill SLE would be like "TL;DR" by now. Please use more paragraphs. My EP can't handle this much text on this context. This thread is about IEIs through the eyes of SLE and so far it's basically two IEIs making a long analysis about it, one SLE making his typical one-liner comment, Absurd's remark, a confused self-proclaimed humanist showing that she can understand her conflictors as well.
All of this applies perfectly.Not being SLE, I can't really present a coherent image of what they see, but from what I've been told, they see me as cute, surprisingly dirty-minded, with a good sense of humour (laughing at their jokes, feeding their Fe-HA). I often find that I tend to voice whatever mundane thought pops into my head when I'm around SLEs, and they'll find it completely original and unique. SLEs also seem to feel like they need to protect me from certain realities, because I'm somehow uncorrupted or something - for example, my bf was afraid to let me meet this even crazier SLE friend of his, because he thought I'd be scared
. I think Starfall has had a similar experience with her bf having an image of her being somehow purer than him. I'm not sure if it's strictly type-related or simply because IEIs tend to be a lot less worldly than SLEs. SLEs have also told me that they feel like they can say tings around me that they can't say around other people, because they're afraid of being judged as a bad person, but somehow I'm not judgemental of them. This might just be a stronger version of same-quadra interaction though...
I feel like I've got to protect IEIs from something not specified and a part of me wants to get real caveman-ey about it tbh. There has to be a fight for it, me being the pursuer. If you see something on discount on the mall you automatically think there has to be something wrong for it. And yes, my gfs are prizes to boast with as well. This actually sounds so stereotypical that it would almost sound to me like I would be trying to pretend to be SLE. My main focus on the dating aspect has been XEIs but when SEIs look the sorta person you wanna play with, IEIs seem the kind of person you wanna play. idk.
Last edited by Aquagraph; 02-19-2012 at 10:16 PM.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
Hi Aquagraph. Yes you are right, my posts are LONG! Sorry about that. I'll try to cut it down way back. Thanks for answering. Really appreciate it. Haha, well if there are no SLEs replying us IEIs got to give it our best shot! Octo's post really helped. I get what you mean and a lot of the descriptions I have read through validate what you say too. But these are probably things you felt after a certain time of knowing your IEIs. But I would appreciate a little more detail if possible, only when you got time of course, no hurry. I was kind of hoping you could tell me a bit about your first interactions with the IEIs you know... how they came off to you at first glance, how the relationship grew and what you felt attracted to. Like I said in the chat forum, how did Ni + Fe come across to you in terms of ideas, mannerisms, behavior, etc. Just examples of such situations. Something like that. About the initial stages.
You wanna play poor little IEIs! Oh so the SEI gets the playmate, we get the scoundrel???? How is that fair!
Well, they're (a) game in a way. But yeah I was a bit intentionally cynical about it to get the point across. Then again, what does it tell of the hunter if it cannot even catch the rabbit? It's a thing of recognition and merit to SLEs and IEIs see the devotion behind it. That man is not scoundrel but a noble hunter.You wanna play poor little IEIs! Oh so the SEI gets the playmate, we get the scoundrel???? How is that fair!
Well, I guess I have found a way to talk about my ex.. Well I don't know what part of this information is related but it's XLE-IEI love story and it feels good to write about it as I still miss her like I do.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
I am very sorry for your heartbreak. I hope I don't sound well brain dead stupid here, I haven't been keeping well so I might sound a bit strange, loss like that always hurts, especially when it leaves you changed at some level. I think there is a lot you took away from this experience. Maybe now you are more aware of... everything. Aware of relationships and how they can be, probably a more evolved understanding of how you would like relationships to be, how you would like to be. Regret is not a bad thing. Not for anyone. Regret just tells us, we have the ability to still grow. Unfortunately our bodies can't grow after a point. I know tonnes of people who would love to continue growing so they can be their ideal height! Thank god we can do it emotionally and mentally... and spiritually! I think somewhere you did real good here. Yeah you made a mistake. But I always feel, it's not the mistake one should be ashamed of, but not having learned anything from it. And you learned so much. If I knew you better, I would be proud. Since this lovely young lady has to leave the country and study, that anyway was a problem, I presume for you? Long distance etc. If you still feel she is the one person you would like to be with, then pursue it. But if it isn't... don't worry. You will experience this again. All the relationships we encounter help us grow in remarkable ways. More than experiencing love with others sometimes, it's even more important to experience that love within ourselves. I feel you experienced that capacity and depth of affection and love. Maybe that was what this love was about. Future love will be about sharing this aspect of yourself and achieving even more self realization. And if you want it to be in a long term relationship then that's great. I think forgiveness is imperative when growth is so evident. Did you ever have the chance to apologize to her? Even if you didn't, you still can, and even if you can't do that now cause of whatever circumstances, if you say it to her in thin air, she'll feel it. The human being's vibrational power is as strong as any cosmic energy. It's what causes synchronicity. A person might apologize from a distance and suddenly out of the blew the other person feels a deep sense of release, peace and love towards that person. Intuitively, in-corporeally, they have received each others thoughts and emotions. That lovely heart of yours will have a life it deserves, a good life at that. One filled with the love you have realized with such passion. Don't feel like your dying. There is so much yet to come. You paved the road for it to come to you. A road which probably never existed before.
I apologize if I have stepped over my boundaries in anything I said, but thank you so much for sharing something like this with me. It's deeply regarded.
Oh and I was just pulling your leg and making light with the scoundrel thing... (-: I didn't mean it. The noble hunter makes a lot of sense. I read somewhere probably on one of the forums here that SLEs stalk IEIs in order to grab em and then protect them! haha. I thought that was pretty cute. And kind of accurate. Though I think it's less stalker, more " I'll take over the entire planet, so you got no place to hide!"
Sometimes I feel like the rest of my life is a little marked by the apologetic burden I bear, this case being on the top. But yeah I have apologized to her in many different ways.
Yeah, I thought you meant so. Yeah that conqueror mentality is awesome!
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
Even when you try to be short you're still long. Have you been taking speed?Hi Aquagraph. Yes you are right, my posts are LONG! Sorry about that. I'll try to cut it down way back. Thanks for answering. Really appreciate it. Haha, well if there are no SLEs replying us IEIs got to give it our best shot! Octo's post really helped. I get what you mean and a lot of the descriptions I have read through validate what you say too. But these are probably things you felt after a certain time of knowing your IEIs. But I would appreciate a little more detail if possible, only when you got time of course, no hurry. I was kind of hoping you could tell me a bit about your first interactions with the IEIs you know... how they came off to you at first glance, how the relationship grew and what you felt attracted to. Like I said in the chat forum, how did Ni + Fe come across to you in terms of ideas, mannerisms, behavior, etc. Just examples of such situations. Something like that. About the initial stages.
You wanna play poor little IEIs! Oh so the SEI gets the playmate, we get the scoundrel???? How is that fair!
Haha! I know ... damn it! I tried I really did!
What does speed have to do with it? You don't require drugs to type long posts! If I type a one liner THEN I am probably on speed!
it's because of the "lock" that stimulants give people.
I would love it if people would comment on the content of the post rather than it's length! Only Octo seems to be commenting.
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