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    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstorm View Post
    They appeal to Stalin.

    Honestly, a five year plan is used to get other people on board of a vision of the future. It is very creepy Fe, it is not Te at all. When somebody says "Glam, I want your five year plan" it is a Fe type (likely a rational one ESFj or ENFj) trying to tie you down into an agenda that they can influence.
    sounds more like a Te-valuer feigning Fe.

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    i just skimmed this thread but does anybody besides joy actually do five year plans? it seems silly to talk about how its related to type if hardly anybody actually does it. i dont think ive ever met anyone who said "my five year plan is.." i thought it was something in fiction or for corporate types to bullshit about in interviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    sounds more like a Te-valuer feigning Fe.

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    lady definitely unnerves me... I wonder if she's LSE? Reminds me of Katie Hopkins from the apprentice. Similar smile.


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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    sounds more like a Te-valuer feigning Fe.

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    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Good eye ^^^ Yes, she definitly would

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    My LSE co-worker had that zombie fembot look too, but she also had yellow eyes and glasses that magnified them so it was super frightening.
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    To die and go to heaven.

    Oh nil, look what did here.

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    Ewww typhon why do you quote Anton lavey...that guy sucks cock. How you gonna make a church based on having no rules other than self rule, then follow it with a fucking roladex of commandments? Fuck Anton LaVey.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Ewww typhon why do you quote Anton lavey...that guy sucks cock. How you gonna make a church based on having no rules other than self rule, then follow it with a fucking roladex of commandments? Fuck Anton LaVey.
    He never made a church based on no rules other than the self rule so I dunno what you're talking about. Thats your interpretation of "satanism". Maybe you are a little jealous because he was a badass. . I mean, the man created a power structure out of nothing, he had nothing in life and he created a worldwide power structure which had the potential to become more powerful than the catholic church, and still would if given a voice.

    Edit: You obviously have some strong feelings on these issues, but do you think you could actually make your point without making immature inflamatory arguements?
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    It is my belief that anyone promoting the deliberate exercise of free will for everyone, they should not lay out scriptures or sell tomes for money. It's sadistic and appeals only to those looking to be coddled beneath an intellectual wing, which in itself stands in direct opposition to the core of what exercising free will is about. The true message of "Satanism" should be: go, create, interact, and live; not "do this, do that, read my book." This is the kind of message that can only be spread personally if it is to be conveyed with any real meaning; putting it in a book with a black cover is just begging for cult status.

    The goal of a real leader should be to help people lead themselves, not giving people reasons to worship.
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    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    How pretentious is it to direct people to "be themselves" and then turn around and ask them to memorize all this shit? What the fuck?

    You should read Siddhartha by Herman Hesse. Hesse has changed my life, and I think you would enjoy his work.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    It is my belief that anyone promoting the deliberate exercise of free will for everyone, they should not lay out scriptures or sell tomes for money. It's sadistic and appeals only to those looking to be coddled beneath an intellectual wing, which in itself stands in direct opposition to the core of what exercising free will is about. The true message of "Satanism" should be: go, create, interact, and live; not "do this, do that, read my book." This is the kind of message that can only be spread personally if it is to be conveyed with any real meaning; putting it in a book with a black cover is just begging for cult status.

    The goal of a real leader should be to help people lead themselves, not giving people reasons to worship.
    While I agree that Peter Gilmore's CoS claims to have a monopoly on Satanism, as they do not recognize any other organization as being Satanic, they also claim you do not have to be a member of their church to be a Satanist. I think thats pretty un cult-like.

    Also, its difficult to argue that Lavey advocated free will, since his views on human nature(as opposed to moral nature) are mainly Nietzschian, and Nietzsche's views on free will as it opposed morality as a second nature are Schopenhaurean, and Schopenhauer denied the existence of free will.

    And whats wrong with the man having a little ambition, wanting a little admiration and glory, as long as you recognize this isnt worship? Satanists are people who can see greatness in something other than themselves, unlike nihilists, and their is nothing wrong with taking inspiration from this greatness if it helps strengthen oneself in return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Little Satans View Post
    He never made a church based on no rules other than the self rule so I dunno what you're talking about. Thats your interpretation of "satanism". Maybe you are a little jealous because he was a badass. . I mean, the man created a power structure out of nothing, he had nothing in life and he created a worldwide power structure which had the potential to become more powerful than the catholic church, and still would if given a voice.

    Edit: You obviously have some strong feelings on these issues, but do you think you could actually make your point without making immature inflamatory arguements?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan...Satanic_Virtue

    Fundamental individualism
    Central is the idea that an individual must enforce their own meaning on life and rise above the perceived conformity of the masses. The Satanist is seen as equivalent to Friedrich Nietzsche's Übermensch; LaVey claimed "Satanists are born, not made" and that "[Satanists] have a disease called independence that needs to be recognized just like alcoholism." There are progressive and libertarian elements here; diversity is encouraged, everyone is expected to discover his/her own sexuality, chart his own personality, and decide their own ambitions in life. In this stress on individuality, Satanism is considered a "Left-Hand Path" religion.
    [edit]Satanism and self-transformation
    Adherents to "life-denying" religions are often regarded as self-abnegating in their devotion to their own servility. LaVey's Satanic creed views religion as promoting an impersonal relationship with what the churches referred to as "God". Satanism was presented as an opportunity to self-identify with one's own concept of God. Great attention was paid to details gleaned from noir films like White Heat and The Big Sleep in creating one's ideal Self from deliberately invoked forms. Satanism encourages a follower of the religion to grow throughout their life as they see fit.
    [edit]Satanic Virtue
    Lex Talionis, or "The Law of Reprisal" (from the Latin lex/legis (f.), "law", and talio, -onis (f.), "retaliation", "rejoinder") informed much of LaVey's Satanic formulation. "Do unto others as they do unto you" supplanted the directive to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", so that you are only to give compassion and sympathy to those who deserve it. It is a reactive rule, compared with the Christian proactive rule; by the rule, love, compassion, and sympathy are not to be wasted upon "ingrates"; these are to be given only to those who the practitioner feels deserves them. The religion of Satanism, as LaVey espouses it, is centered almost exclusively upon the concept of being one's own god; as such, values and attachments such as love, affection, and caring, along with opposing concepts such as hate and wrath, are to be disseminated at the discretion of the individual Satanist. As such, it is the individual's responsibility (and not that of a god, or the fault of any devil) to both justify and accept the consequences of their actions. LaVey felt that intelligent and strong people spent too much time caring for psychic vampires — weak individuals who always demanded attention and care, yet would never give any back. He taught that Satanists should strive to remove themselves as much as possible from such people in order to live in accordance to their instincts and individual wills.
    [edit]The Nine Satanic Statements
    Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence
    Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams
    Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit
    Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
    Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek
    Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires
    Satan represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
    Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification
    Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years[16]
    [edit]The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth
    Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
    Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
    When in another’s home, show them respect or else do not go there.
    If a guest in your home annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.
    Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
    Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved.
    Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
    Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
    Do not harm young children.
    Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
    When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them.
    [edit]The Nine Satanic Sins
    Stupidity — The top of the list for Satanic Sins, the Cardinal Sin. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. One must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.
    Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.
    Solipsism—Can be very dangerous. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won’t. Instead, one must strive to apply the dictum of “Do unto others as they do unto you.” It’s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.
    Self-deceit—It’s in the “Nine Satanic Statements” but deserves to be repeated here. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it’s fun, and with awareness. But then, it’s not self-deceit!
    Herd Conformity—That’s obvious - it’s all right to conform to a person’s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.
    Lack of Perspective—Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints—know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.
    Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies—Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it’s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.
    Counterproductive Pride—That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you’ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.
    Lack of Aesthetics—This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It’s not what’s supposed to be pleasing—it’s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one’s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.[17]
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Reminds me of Suze Orman, who's some extroverted Te type. LIE or LSE. That's such a Fe role smile.

    http://www.blogcdn.com/jobs.aol.com/...93nm122110.jpg

    She would definitely be the type to push 5 year plans.
    haha totally, the first time i saw her on TV i knew within 10 seconds that she was probably Te base. i think LIE fits, and she even dresses like one (with her flashy, expensive, "gaudy" sort of wardrobe):

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    Suze Orman looks "nightmarish" wtf, I immediately thought politician or health guru when I saw her pic. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if she was the 5-year-plan sort... she dresses/ smiles/ poses a lot like a conflictor female I know irl. LSE> LIE, LIE's give off a whole different vibe.

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    I sort of "do" a six-year ... vague mental outline? It's not a detailed plan. It's like a map of contingencies and a few solid goals. It contains distant pictures of how I want things to be, and what I want to accomplish, and it has more to do with waging a couple of long wars versus getting hung up on every little battle. Details personal, though.
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    There is a big difference between someone who is 20 with no financial obligations and someone who has kids, debt, etc. I don't like planning out my life, but I also don't have the luxury to live day by day when I need to keep a roof over my head and avoid deportation.

    My point is, I think having a plan like that is as much related to circumstances as it is to type.
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