What do you think of me being Beta?

[Suz]

I think you are more likely LSI or ESI, maybe SLE but you don't seem like one on the forum and describe yourself as an introvert. XSIs can be more relaxed than the sterotypes make it. Upon initially meeting me, people think I am very easy going and go with the flow. Once they get to know me better not as much lol. I could see Ne polr and devalued Fi. It's hard to say though since I haven't met you in person and you say you are very different in person (which I relate to since I think I am a lot more fun and jokey in person).

I think ur pretty jokey online... i like your jokes!

[Bardia]

I think ur pretty jokey online... i like your jokes!

Good to know some people appreciate them haha

[Raver]

Well, Jessica I'm inclined to think you're most likely SLE from what I've seen from you in chat and the kind of experiences you've had, however SLI is not out of the question and I'll leave it as a possibility. You could just be a very active and outgoing SLI. LSI just doesn't make sense to me though because you seem to be much more experimental and chaotic than an LSI would ever be. The thing is extraverts can appear like introverts if they are going through a tough time in their life. I've experienced that enough times for myself, so instead of thinking whether you're introverted or extroverted just look at what functions and quadra you can relate to the most.

[Creepy-Snaps]

Definitely not LSI. You don't have the causual-determinist style of logical thinking I see from LSIs. I could see SLI as a possibility, but something seems slightly off there as well. I've considered other possibilities for your type. What makes you always so confident that you're an ST?

Regardless of type, I get the feeling maybe you're going through a tough time in your life... exactly as Traveler suggested. This may cause you to appear very differently from your normal sociotype.

[thePirate]

SLE-Ti, any 'caregiving' or 'SLI' resemblances can be explained away by her being SP first and people like WA not being able to tell the difference between that and Si.

[Suz]

SLE-Ti, any 'caregiving' or 'SLI' resemblances can be explained away by her being SP first and people like WA not being able to tell the difference between that and Si.

I appreciate this feedback! thanks!

[DividedsGhost]

@Jessica

Which dual pair do you think you relate to when threatened, personally offended, or under stress:

1. You have convictions about how other people should behave or seem to require that other people treat each other with a certain level of predictable respect.
or
2. You have a desire to make sure people are getting their needs met or seem to require that other people are not being mistreated in some way.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Hmm.

Jessica: I think you are still Delta. SLI/ISTp. Your posts and behavior always came across as Ne dual seeking to me.

How were you like as a child? Think back to how you acted as a child before you did the 20something 'soul search thing' and analyzed everything and questioned everything and questioned the world. How did you act naturally?

Whatever the answer, there's your type.

[Galen]

Given your vocal preference for ENFps in the past ISTp would have to be the case. I think you're just depressed and angsty, which puts you in an unhealthy state of mind and distorts your self-perception type-wise. Not that I'm pinning this exclusively on you, because I find that people tend to change their type when they're not in a good mental state.

[Absurd]

I find that people tend to change their type when they're not in a good mental state.

Cough.

[jessica129]

Yeah but the thing is, I don't think I was in a good mental state AT ALL when I typed SLI haha so you're right in that but now that I'm getting better (even if I do still come across as a sad and lonely (HAHA) person, I still feel 1000 x better than I ever did a year ago), I don't identify with SLI at all.

[Galen]

Yeah but the thing is, I don't think I was in a good mental state AT ALL when I typed SLI haha so you're right in that but now that I'm getting better (even if I do still come across as a sad and lonely (HAHA) person, I still feel 1000 x better than I ever did a year ago), I don't identify with SLI at all.

I think I've asked you why you don't connect with it before, and I don't remember specific answers but there was something about not identifying with caregiver/infantile dichotomy. You don't strike me at all like 8w9 in any case; you just don't have the same overt brashness that 8s have when under the sort of stress you've talked about.

Also, people keep putting me in delta but there has to be something to the fact I get along much better with Betas and that I find Beta NF's more appealing than Delta NF's.

Stop making Shaun White and Cher cry.

[jessica129]

I think I've asked you why you don't connect with it before, and I don't remember specific answers but there was something about not identifying with caregiver/infantile dichotomy. You don't strike me at all like 8w9 in any case; you just don't have the same overt brashness that 8s have when under the sort of stress you've talked about.
Stop making Shaun White and Cher cry.

Well my reasons are plenty..I'm about to dumb this down because that's how I prefer to do things so get ready.

I don't identify with Delta values whatsoever. Nothing. Everything they value, I don't. I value everything Betas value. Everything. I don't give two shits about Si related things (at least not enough for it to be my leading function). I am far more attracted to Beta NF's than Delta NF's. I much prefer Fe to Fi and most of my relationship problems have to do with lack of Fe. If I were supposedly SLI, why on earth would I crave Fe so much if that were my POLR? Why would I need it? Why would a relationship end because of lack of it? Why don't I like the majority of the Deltas here and get along with all of the Betas? What speficially about my personality possibly points to valuing Delta over Beta? Is it because I was a dumbass and typed myself that for 5 years because I was in a blackhole I couldn't get out of? Probably. I respect your opinion Galen, but honestly I really have a hard time seeing where you guys are coming from --it feels like you're just going off my own SLI typing and not even giving it a second thought because you have some image of me you've made up. If you disregard that self typing and looked at who I am as a whole and what I've just said here, if it still points to Delta, then I honestly think the idea you have of Socionics is fucked.

I'm not an 8? Have you read anything about 8w9? The description is basically my life story as is the SLE-Ti description. But this isn't a personal attack against you and your typing...you just don't know anything about me and that's ok.

[Suz]

Yeah but the thing is, I don't think I was in a good mental state AT ALL when I typed SLI haha so you're right in that but now that I'm getting better (even if I do still come across as a sad and lonely (HAHA) person, I still feel 1000 x better than I ever did a year ago), I don't identify with SLI at all.

aww jessica... i'm sorry i didn't mean to put it that way I regret that choice of words... I'M actually the sad and lonely one...

[Wittmont]

Jessica is SLE.

[Morcheeba]

You remind me of an ISTp I used to work with, thats my input anyways.

[Korpsy Knievel]

Jessica, instead of attempting to find a best fit within a dubious psychological schematic I think a better question to ask yourself is: "What insights have I gained from viewing myself as an SLI, SLE, hokey-pokey dancer, Zimbabwean bobsled team captain, or any other categorical type?" That's something immediately knowable to you that doesn't require the validation of people who can only offer guesses at the contents of your head.

[jessica129]

Jessica, instead of attempting to find a best fit within a dubious psychological schematic I think a better question to ask yourself is: "What insights have I gained from viewing myself as an SLI, SLE, hokey-pokey dancer, Zimbabwean bobsled team captain, or any other categorical type?" That's something immediately knowable to you that doesn't require the validation of people who can only offer guesses at the contents of your head.

Yeah I know.

It's funny how betas think I'm beta and deltas think im delta. I must be loved.

[silke]

Yeah I know.

It's funny how betas think I'm beta and deltas think im delta. I must be loved.

Well I don't really know you, got not reason to love your or hate you lol, but just applying all the socionics theoretical voodoo that I've read from Russian articles to your posts on this forum it's pretty clear to me that in no way can you be SLI, that your type is static Se-ego one. The way you express yourself is similar to Allie actually, same kind of directness, and she is Se-creative type. I've typed you as Se-LSI but Ti-SLE is close enough.

From what I remember of you past typing thread, you were intuitively picking up on this yourself, that delta typing is a poor fit for you. If this sense is still persisting after all this time, then may be something is off.

... LSI just doesn't make sense to me though because you seem to be much more experimental and chaotic than an LSI would ever be.

I'm inclined to think that Jessica is wing-7 on enneagram rather than wing-9. That fits with the experimental approach. The rigid, structured LSIs tend to be type 1s.

[Raver]

I'm inclined to think that Jessica is wing-7 on enneagram rather than wing-9. That fits with the experimental approach. The rigid, structured LSIs tend to be type 1s.

Well I won't deny the possibility that Jessica may be a 7 wing on the enneagram, but being a 7 wing doesn't seem that common for an LSI, even though it's not entirely impossible. I think LSIs can be adventurous and outgoing, but not to the extent that Jessica is. This is why I'm pretty sure she is an irrational ST and most likely SLE with the possibility of being SLI. Her behavior seems to be reflective of these two types much more than LSI imo.

[Ave]

I havent been following this discussion but let me just say Im not sure what type you are Jessica - you seem like kind of a puzzle . Im more inclined to say you are EST rather than IST these days, though this is subject to change.

K Ill try reading through this thread and see what is said and whatnot.

[Gilly]

It's funny how betas think I'm beta and deltas think im delta. I must be loved.

You're hot. You do the math.

[ScarlettLux]

Jessica this thread reminds me of my SEE thread lol.. fuck hataz
I love how typing people has now become a popularity contest of sorts.. or just based on whether you like the person or not. Oh yeah, that person's cool he/she can be my dual.. no I don't like her, I definitely supervise her *coughAshtoncough*

[Kim]

I think you are SLE. You seem like an extrovert in terms of needing human interaction to feel energized. I can totally see how a depressive phase could make you feel like an introvert. I can also see Fi PoLR in that you are often surprised at how people perceive you around here (intimidating, aggressive). I think SLIs are actually aware that they might come across as stand-offish or even unfriendly. It seems as if you have a hard time gauging where you stand with people (perhaps that's why you were bothered by WA's comments - you are likely to take them more personally than they were intended to be). An IEE will not give you much verbal affirmation of affection, whereas an IEI will, and it seems to me as if that would bother you (?). And if I remember correctly, you like relationships to be exciting and intense (I might be wrong), which does not exactly describe IEE-SLI duality.

I might be way off-base, but I think you are SLE. You annoy me in the same way my SLE boyfriend annoys me (and I am sure I annoy you in the same way I annoy him ).

[Jenna]

I think she assumed SLI because of appearing irrational and introverted (and almost certainly ST), and even though things like belonging to delta quadra didn't fit, she basically said "eh fuck socionics anyways" and just stuck with SLI, occasionally switching to LSI because it fit better based on quadra & functions but there are still obvious flaws, which makes her say "fu socionics" even more. SLE she probably didn't consider because they are extraverted and a lot of the stereotypes don't fit (the majority of those being about Se subtypes).
Her only conflicts in this thread are with delta types, both IEE's with Fi subtype.

Edited: oooops I forgot to finish this before posting lol..

I agree with what Kim was saying. I think another thing to add to the confusion is that you seem to be weakest in ethics, but it's not very clear which one. You aren't similar to other Fi HA types, which seem to come in two varieties:
1. Mrrr, go away, Clint Eastwood type. Kind of rough around the edges. They often say things that are very harsh, seem misunderstood I suppose, but there's an underlying feeling that they just want to be accepted.
Examples:
Clint Eastwood, k0rpsey, Parkster
2. The traditional/moralistic variety. I'm not even sure what else to add, that basically sums it up.
Examples:
nanashi, Timmy, Slackers husband seems this one, ESC, MD.. The ones I can think of are the ones I know IRL so that doesn't help much.
The point is, you don't fit either of these. Some may argue that you do fit the first but I don't see it. There are some aspects that are similar, like the "mrrr, rough around the edges" part but you give off an intimidating kind of vibe, not a leave me alone vibe.


If she is delta, why is it that almost everything she likes beta? Particularly IEI's? She does have a fondness for cute things, like weird animals, which could be sort of delta I guess? But that's a really weak case and could be her Fe HA.

I suppose I don't know her that well, but here are things I am pretty sure she likes a lot:
cute animals, guy in her avatar, some rap artist that I believe everyone agreed was IEI (don't remember the name), cher, tattoos

I am pretty sure she does not like:
Boring and stuffiness.. Damn I had like 3 things in my mind and I forgot them, heh


I also agree with pirate that the reason she seems "caregiving" is because of being sp first.


These are basically the reasons (there are more - possibly more telling - but I need to go to bed within like 10 min) I lean towards SLE. I had never thought about SLE as a possibility so I was stuck when deciding between LSI/SLI for her, and just didn't choose either, waiting for more of an indication. SLE fits well enough that I at least consider it more likely than the other two, even though it didn't seem she could be a type other than ISTx

[jessica129]

I suppose I don't know her that well, but here are things I am pretty sure she likes a lot:
cute animals, guy in her avatar, some rap artist that I believe everyone agreed was IEI (don't remember the name), cher, tattoos

Wait, these things aren't universally liked?


I'm really and truly trying to get to the bottom of how I come across intimidating. I wish I knew what exactly is giving that impression. It's not just because I shoot guns. Bluntness maybe?

[jessica129]

This video has absolutely nothing of substance but maybe it points to something???

DON'T QUOTE

[Galen]

I don't think I've heard your voice before. You seem very down-to-earth.

[jessica129]

I don't think I've heard your voice before. You seem very down-to-earth.

I sound like a 12 year old boy who hasn't hit puberty but it's all good. I am very down to earth

[mu4]

You talk like my SLI friend who not from the Midwest and still for some reason talks like you...

I think you two VI very similar as well.

[jessica129]

Good thing I made a video!