Democracy - a problem

[Gilly]

I think problem with democracy in this thread is that it is just futile and empty talk, quckie quackie rubber duckie. No action whatsoever.

What are you doing? Waging war?

[Absurd]

What are you doing? Waging war?

That's correct. Socionics is under siege.

[Gilly]

Being an ant must suck. If one ant brings poison back to the nest, everyone gets infected. If one ant leads the others to a trap, all that follow die. If some ants disobey the nest or become handicapped, they are killed/eaten. So if someone tells you to do something stupid, you have to do it. Some ants cannibalize other ants. Ants don't exist well on their own, but are dependent on each other, and have to go along with whatever implicit social orders are enacted because it's their best option. Being an ant means not having much of a mind of your own. Ants, ants, fuck that. :-P

Humans should be cheetahs. Cheetahs are fast. Cheetahs are fun. Cheetahs.

Being a human living in a city implies a lot of those same things.

How could you ever understand what it's like to be an ant? Maybe its great, maybe they love it.

[IEI]

If one ant leads the others to a trap, all that follow die..

I used to live in spain which has lots of ants. I liked watching them, they help each other out. You are never alone when you are an ant. They display the best team work I have ever seen.

I think it would be cool knowing an army of ants have your back.

[Gilly]

I used to live in spain which has lots of ants. I liked watching them, they help each other out. You are never alone when you are an ant. They display the best team work I have ever seen.

I think it would be cool knowing an army of ants have your back.

Right? Those fuckers are industrious and loyal as hell.

[Ave]

I think problem with democracy in this thread is that it is just futile and empty talk, quckie quackie rubber duckie. No action whatsoever.

This is called a forum. You do know what the point of discussion forums is, right?

[Gilly]

Absurd does srs biznass all day long

[Absurd]

This is called a forum. You do know what the point of discussion forums is, right?

To discuss things you won't do in real life. Cost-effective. I like it.

Absurd does srs biznass all day long

Completely. I have a black belt in world peace.

[Aquagraph]

Absurd does srs biznass all day long

As do I. Many bottles of it.

[Gilly]

Ron Paul is still in second...hope.

[Absurd]

I'm confused - who is aristocratic and who is democratic?

[ArchonAlarion]

New Haven county is pretty ghetto Gilly lol. I walk through the ghetto every night basically, and I do so to keep it in mind. My school (where I live most of the time) is in a semi-ghetto area.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...239513/#slide7

"New Haven has historically had the highest rate of violent crime on the east coast. The impoverished, crime-ridden parts of the city stand in stark contrast to affluent Fairfield county to the West and elite Yale University, which is located within the city itself. The number of murders in the city doubled last year. New Haven has the eighth-highest rate of robbery and the fourth-highest rate of assault in the U.S. The New Haven Police Department is considering adding cameras at every intersection in one of the neighborhoods where shootings are the most common."

[Gilly]

New Haven county is pretty ghetto Gilly lol. I walk through the ghetto every night basically, and I do so to keep it in mind. My school (where I live most of the time) is in a semi-ghetto area.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...239513/#slide7

"New Haven has historically had the highest rate of violent crime on the east coast. The impoverished, crime-ridden parts of the city stand in stark contrast to affluent Fairfield county to the West and elite Yale University, which is located within the city itself. The number of murders in the city doubled last year. New Haven has the eighth-highest rate of robbery and the fourth-highest rate of assault in the U.S. The New Haven Police Department is considering adding cameras at every intersection in one of the neighborhoods where shootings are the most common."

Huh? I know New Haven is ghetto. I have a friend who used to run coke between New Haven and Madison. It's not the worst of the worst but it does have some really ghetto parts.

Do you go to Yale?

[mu4]

Nagel concluded that democracies rarely or never elect the best leaders. Their advantage over dictatorships or other

forms of government is merely that they "effectively prevent lower-than-average candidates from becoming leaders."

I think this is generally why democracy is successful and one of the reasons why a core component of democracy does not involve voting at all, and that component is the protection of minority rights. Generally I've found the most adequate and capable people do not enjoy engaging in politics but engage in science, art, and innovation as these are areas where concrete advancements are made. Government is bureaucracy and regulation is unnecessary for the most capable people to waste their time pushing paperwork and fighting each other for scraps. The thing about politics is struggle, and to succeed in politics requires more time be devoted to struggle than actual productivity.

I think when the best and most capable leaders begin to engage in political struggle as well as when below average leaders engage in political struggle, it causes social instability which can be undesirable to many.

[ArchonAlarion]

No, the University of New Haven (in West Haven). It's a smallish private university in Allingtown (a dingy borough of West Haven adjacent to New Haven).

Anyways, the point was that I'm not totally aloof from impoverished communities. Not that it is necessarily relevant to my anarchist philosophies.

[Gilly]

Well its less to do with having to walk through shady neighborhoods and such and more about actually having experience with people.

I just find it convenient that most people who advocate such politics are either academics or sheltered/have not been sufficiently exposed to "humanity."

[Creepy-pokeball]

C'mon Gilly, you were raised in a plush middle-class upbringing like the rest of us here.

Uhm, lol. I went to about 14 schools K-12. I'm not sure where to start or end, lol. Im not sure 3 different schools in Sturgis, SD and Gillette, WY at the age of 5 qualifies, though. Although I escaped WY soon enough to not become indoctrined into homophobe manslaughter

[Gilly]

Yeah, until about 14 when I started selling drugs and hanging out in the poorest city in the state, then to college in rural Tennessee and then a year and a half in Richmond 2 blocks from the ghetto and 3 from the projects. The last 10 years of my life have been spent as far away from middle class -anything- as I could get.