I declare myself SEE Se subtype for good

[ScarlettLux]

SEE fits best on a personal, deep, core level... although EIE still best explains my intertype relations.

However, I am waiting for an ILI to show up in my life and then we will see.

[Radio]

You're not anything, sorry.

[Creepy-Snaps]

I declare myself... for good

we will see.

Sounds good to me. If I go Delta, I don't want you in an opposing quadra.

[Gilly]

IEI-Fe

[blackburry]

Well if you are, I hope you come off different IRL than you do online
but who knows.

[Slacker]

Why don't people like SL? I had no idea.

I don't know what type you are but SEEs do have demonstrative Fe. I guess so kind of seem Beta-ish to me but, again, I have no strong opinion at all.

[ScarlettLux]

OMG. I AM NOT AN INTROVERT GILLY. I AM NOT IxxP TEMPERAMENT. I'LL TAKE EIE INTO CONSIDERATION BUT DEFINITELY NOT IEI.. Please everyone get that straight There is no way in hell I am an IEI

[Creepy-Snaps]

OMG. I AM NOT AN INTROVERT GILLY. I AM NOT IxxP TEMPERAMENT. I'LL TAKE EIE INTO CONSIDERATION BUT DEFINITELY NOT IEI.. Please get that straight

Alpha vs. Gamma conflict?

*pot stirred*

@Slacker, I like SL too. Smart, bold, beautiful, what's not to like? Maybe the haters are just jealous.

[ScarlettLux]

Why don't people like SL? I had no idea.

I don't know what type you are but SEEs do have demonstrative Fe. I guess so kind of seem Beta-ish to me but, again, I have no strong opinion at all.

You are sweet, thanks. I know people don't like me because I come across sort of vapid and silly on here. People think I'm stupid and do not bother getting to know who I am besides what I present. I sort of have foot in mouth disease as well. I just blurt things out. Don't really think much about what I post on here. I am also confrontational and reactive to a fault. People find it easy to pick on me because they are amused by the over exaggerated reactions I have.

[Beautiful sky]

Yeah, I agree.

[glam]

boooooo come back

[InvisibleJim]

SEE fits best on a personal, deep, core level... although EIE still best explains my intertype relations.

However, I am waiting for an ILI to show up in my life and then we will see.

I think you could be either. There is little practical difference between Se-Fi and Ne-Fi.

[Creepy-female]

fwiw Gilly typed me as IEI before we met irl. You could be SEE. Personally, I haven't seen much from you that ever really said Fi to me though. I agree with Gul that you are probably a 3/4 and you have some image issues that you haven't worked out. I don't know what you're dealing with in life right now that makes you so, and it isn't my business. But I do think it is why some people react negatively to you on the forum.

[Gilly]

OMG. I AM NOT AN INTROVERT GILLY. I AM NOT IxxP TEMPERAMENT. I'LL TAKE EIE INTO CONSIDERATION BUT DEFINITELY NOT IEI.. Please everyone get that straight There is no way in hell I am an IEI

OH MY GOD FREAK OUT HARDER ITS GOING TO CHANGE MY OPINION

Fucking harpy.

Some IEI-Fes are really outgoing, sometimes even aggressive. They can be really active and busybodies. I suppose you could be EIE but SEE is way off IMO.

Re: what dolphin said, you two strike me very differently and my typing of her as IEI was more a diagnosis of elimination than anything, whereas when I saw pictures and videos of you in the past, IEI was the first type to mind.

[ScarlettLux]

Some IEIs are really aggressive. Some SEEs are really soft-spoken. Gilly what is your point here? And this coming from someone who has made a gazillion self typing threads and is STILL unsure of his own type. So really, can you talk? Now you're xLE-Ti?

If you met me in person you would REALLY know that I'm not an introvert. That's one thing I'm sure of.

[Gilly]

Some IEIs are really aggressive. Some SEEs are really soft-spoken. Gilly what is your point here? And this coming from someone who has made a gazillion self typing threads and is STILL unsure of his own type. So really, can you talk? Now you're xLE-Ti?

If you met me in person you would REALLY know that I'm not an introvert. That's one thing I'm sure of.

Blah blah blah, same old shit everyone says...I've been at this for a while, you think just because I don't know my own type means everything else I know is worthless? Are you really that simple? Do you genuinely think I'm stupid? Please.

It's easy to say that kind of shit. Boring. "WAAHH COME GET SOME!" Please.

[Raver]

I have met SL recently a few days ago, so I'd like to offer my opinion. I think Se-SEE is the most likely type based on my interactions with her and with other people. She seems to value over and I think a lot of what is misconstrued as is really just her . It was funny at the beginning of the night I thought she was EIE, but by the end of the night I thought she was SEE as I got to know her better. I will not rule out another type, but it was pretty obvious upon meeting her that she is extraverted and ethical. So that leaves EIE as a possibility, but there is no way she is an IEI as I can assure you that she is not introverted at all.

[Cat King Cole]

What makes an "obvious" Extratim though? Their extraversion? The predominance of Xe (through thematic focuses e.g. Interest, challenge, passion) in their speech? Something else?

[Creepy-Snaps]

Aww

lol I know they're not "jealous" ... I'm easy to troll. Ask thePirate.

Are you saying Gilly is Alpha?

I'm suggesting it, yes.

Blah blah blah, same old shit everyone says...I've been at this for a while, you think just because I don't know my own type means everything else I know is worthless? Are you really that simple? Do you genuinely think I'm stupid? Please.

It's easy to say that kind of shit. Boring. "WAAHH COME GET SOME!" Please.

To Te-valuers, the accuracy of the statement made isn't necessarily as important as the credibility of the person making the statement. Even if you're right, Gilly, the fact that you wobble between types devalues your opinion in this case. For me, I type-switch too, but the difference is that I don't go around telling someone else that they can't be a certain type.

SL, I can see SEE. But really, you remind me of someone on my business team, also who I type SEE, who also doesn't smile very widely in pictures. I get an Fi-vibe from you, of course with the Se. You like to challenge people. EIEs come across more like they enjoy influencing people, imo, and can use Ni in a way that borders manipulative.

I don't see that from you at all. Furthermore, I feel 75%+ people on this forum confuse Fe with high emotionality. That's why I can come across ESE-ish to many people, which might not necessarily be the case. SL, when I see you become emotional, it's more in a REACTION to what someone else has said. You don't PROACTIVELY influence the emotions of other people, or cheer people up, or show any desire to do so. You seem to simply want to stand your ground.

TLDR: Back off Gilly, and I vote SEE.

[Gilly]

I'm suggesting it, yes.

I am not in your quadra

Of this much I am certain

To Te-valuers, the accuracy of the statement made isn't necessarily as important as the credibility of the person making the statement. Even if you're right, Gilly, the fact that you wobble between types devalues your opinion in this case. For me, I type-switch too, but the difference is that I don't go around telling someone else that they can't be a certain type.

blah blah blah...by the way, this is incorrect.

TLDR: Back off Gilly, and I vote SEE.

Fuck you, Big Daddy.

[Creepy-Snaps]

I think you've got that mixed up. Accuracy is prized above mere credibility. I wouldn't consider someone credible unless I saw they had a consistent history of being accurate.

Hmm that's true. When you say that, reminds me how Te-egos usually say "prove it" when told something new.

[Beautiful sky]

There are a lot of misconceptions about Se's or even SEEs because of bad things that have been attached to them that have nothing to do with Socionics. SEE can be anything from shy and reserved to outspoken and loud, to mean and manipulative and kind and giving. Those things have nothing to do with Se. Se is mere perception, viewing, absorbing, taking in through the senses; this allows the person to be highly aware of reality, highly in the real world and their senses in it, observing colors, anything physical, that exists and then responding to people from their subjective emotional evaluations of what goes on in relation to them and others.

[Roro]

I'm not going to say you're not Fi, and I'm not going to say you're definitely Fe. Maybe you are Fi, maybe you aren't - but I haven't met you in the real world yet, and I know personas can be different via the virtual world compared to the real world. The only thing I know is, I don't have much trouble engaging with Fi types on this forum, where as you seem somewhat standoff-ish when I try to approach you. But I really can't use you not being very sociable towards me as an indicator of your type - that wouldn't be very valid. So, *shrug* if you say you're SEE, then we can go with SEE - until people meet you offline and get the real gist of your personality.

[Beautiful sky]

I DECLARE YOU SEE

*Now off with her* To some dual or another

[Creepy-Snaps]

SL, I identify strongly with your last post, on multiple things: in love, wanting the other person to be a loner, overcoming things in life, being goal-driven, etc. etc. fwiw, I feel I relate to you strongly, and understand where you're coming from. I'm contemplating IEE for myself, as suggested by Krig, and perhaps we could be Look-alikes? Not sure. But socionics or not, I wish you the best of luck in pursuing your goals and getting in life where you want to be.

[Anglas]

VI doesn't working this time.

[Gilly]

Oh ok, so I didn't "piss you off" even though you post 3 times in a row, then twice in a row again, and you're not letting it go? Hmm ok, yeah you're good with understanding your emotions.

NOW you're trolling :-D Welcome to the Big Boys Club!!!!!

[Creepy-Snaps]

NOW you're trolling :-D Welcome to the Big Boys Club!!!!!

I'm torn between being polite to strangers on the internet, and just trolling the living daylights out of them for the lolz. What do you advise, Gilly?

[Absurd]

I'm torn between being polite to strangers on the internet, and just trolling the living daylights out of them for the lolz. What do you advise, Gilly?

Gilly advises you to identify with other member's posts more just to say you don't identify with them.

[ScarlettLux]

Why. Why why why why. Good lord you contradict yourself. How does saying I am not SEE over and over with no furtherdetail make more sense than me saying I am ? The SEE descriptions fit. Period. I have strong Se. All I do in life is seek out experience.. I crave it. I lose myself in the music I play and listen to simply because.. I do not analyze why things affect me so much like dance or the sound of a thunderstorm raging against the ground . You have no idea who I really am as a person. The years I have been on this forum have not been me entirely healthy. Right now however, I am. Why don't you learn to read my posts explaining why I think I am SEE and respond to them? To me real life interaction means so much more than what you think you know about me online. My way of relating to his world is by doing .. Acting .. Pushing through. Maybe this is hidden agenda but I do not think I need help with Se. What about me doesn't fit Fi is what I am more interested in

[Beautiful sky]

All I do in life is seek out experience.. I crave it. I lose myself in the music I play and listen to simply because.. I do not analyze why things affect me so much like dance or the sound of a thunderstorm raging against the ground .

He can't read what you write? What you wrote in the above is Se.

lol no matter how many times I read the above posts, I'm still confused as fuck.

I don't understand these kinds of descriptions. Socionics becomes more and more of a joke to me as time passes. It's so ridiculous the amount of abstraction and theorizing that some people put into it when yeah, everyone's viewpoints will always differ somewhat and there's no way to confirm any objective truth about any function. Damn why am I here?

Ti PoLR; because Ti is like diffusion of information and an abstract analysis; you'll get it eventually if you keep forcing yourself to review it.

[ScarlettLux]

I don't care if you compare me to Joy btw. I think she's a nice woman and a lot of people are unnecessary dickheads towards her. I relate to that.

But now you're throwing around ESE? Don't make me laugh... and bring down your credibility even further

[Gilly]

I DECLARE YOU SEE

*Now off with her* To some dual or another

Maritsa said it, its confirmed.

Seriously maritsa I admire your courage, if people made fun of me as much as they do you I would cry and never come back...

[Jenna]

Guurrrrl please. You aren't stupid enough to get made fun of as much as her BUT even if they did, they would definitely get a bite back, which would probably get them to back off.

SL I do have to say, by saying "I declare myself SEE" is way too arrogant for an IEI. Why are you switching despite the LSI friend? Do you now think she supervises you? Not that supervisor friendships can't happen.. Khamelion (most obvious SEE since ever) and dj are BFF.

As for baby photo albums.. They aren't the kinds of things that you need to be there physically to buy (like say, clothes or shoes that you need to try on first) so just find one online.. On the other hand, and imo the better thing to do, is to make a scrapbook.. Unless the friend (I'm assuming ) is still only pregnant and there is not yet a baby, then go for the baby album. But if the baby is already born, go for the scrapbook. It means a lot, and you can personalize each page and be all creative and shit, mixing and matching pictures and decorations according to the colors in the background. Although it's also kind of time consuming sooo it depends on how close you are, etc.. Which also means it will probably be late... But that may not be a problem ...? Idk, just keep it in mind lol

[ScarlettLux]

Guurrrrl please. You aren't stupid enough to get made fun of as much as her BUT even if they did, they would definitely get a bite back, which would probably get them to back off.

SL I do have to say, by saying "I declare myself SEE" is way too arrogant for an IEI. Why are you switching despite the LSI friend? Do you now think she supervises you? Not that supervisor friendships can't happen.. Khamelion (most obvious SEE since ever) and dj are BFF.

As for baby photo albums.. They aren't the kinds of things that you need to be there physically to buy (like say, clothes or shoes that you need to try on first) so just find one online.. On the other hand, and imo the better thing to do, is to make a scrapbook.. Unless the friend (I'm assuming ) is still only pregnant and there is not yet a baby, then go for the baby album. But if the baby is already born, go for the scrapbook. It means a lot, and you can personalize each page and be all creative and shit, mixing and matching pictures and decorations according to the colors in the background. Although it's also kind of time consuming sooo it depends on how close you are, etc.. Which also means it will probably be late... But that may not be a problem ...? Idk, just keep it in mind lol

Bahaha IEIs can be arrogant doeee just saying, I love Nick (strrrng) but he's pretty arrogant - in his beliefs and stuff
Yeah I dunno Supervision might work. We've had a couple of huge fights =/ Her biggest problem with me is me being chaotically emotional and having no order.. we're extremely different. I dunno how our friendship works actually though, we get along extremely well like I dunno, joking laughing.. but our core values are so vastly apart that we can't discuss them without going - WTF? How are we friends? We ask this a lot actually.

My worst enemy (lol) is also an LSI. -__- So I dunno what the deal with intertype relations really is.. My parents are also LSI & ESI and we do NOT get along but they are parents.. I'm just really disorganized, messy which they can't handle.

Didn't Khamelion think she was IEI too when she was more depressed?

Thanks for the tip re: album but I don't have time for the scrapbook thing.. gonna rush to the mall now

[Jenna]

Mmm, I am not sure I would define it as arrogance. I am similar, and I'm guessing many IEIs here are too - I'd relate that to Ni base + Fi demonstrative + being beta.. Being reflective and having an objective sense of ethics leads us to fiercely defending our values. Actually it may be a beta thing in general. With you I was talking about the kind of.. Bold, pushy, forceful way you just announced it - THAT is what I can't see an IEI doing.. Maybe not any introvert lol, unless they are joking around.

And I believe kelly did think she was IEI when she was depressed, not certain though... Though I am certain she was depressed.

Is your mom the ESI and dad the LSI? Or swapped? And how certain are you of their types, could they potentially be other types?

I don't think your enemy is type related.. Bad relations can happen with any type, whether they are duals, activators, supervisors, opposing quadra members, etc. and she may just be a bitchy person with lots of angst and hatred and maybe she for some reason sees you as an easy target (though this probably isn't a conscious thought of hers or anything).. However with your friend, it honestly sounds like the way LSI-EIE relations get all fucked up. My sister is LSI and my mom is EIE and my sister's complaints about her are exactly the same - that she lacks order and her emotions are chaotic. I actually get along better with my mom, even though we are mirrors and have lots of annoyances about each other. And EIEs really can be so over the top lol
What are your complaints about her? And why did you get into the fights?
And your core values.. In what way do they differ?

The main problem I see with you being SEE is that you aren't as lowkey as most I've met.. Though the Se subtypes aren't as lowkey as the Fi.. You don't seem to have demonstrative Fe.. The SEE I know that displayed the most Fe didn't use it as a tool, with her it just came with the loads and loads of Se. When you use it it's more calculating in a way. Bleh I can't think of how to describe it lol.


Anyways someday if you do get the time to do a scrapbook I highly suggest it beats any gift possible lol.. The receiver is always always always very touched.

[Khamelion]

And I believe kelly did think she was IEI when she was depressed, not certain though... Though I am certain she was depressed.

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Must be pretty cool to be certain about someones mental state who you've never met and barely spoken to O_o

Also, lol @ me being the "most obviously SEE since ever"....again, I wonder what this opinion is based off of...I suppose my old posts...

However, back in the day I was randomly depressed and at those times I identified with IEI descriptions....when I'm feeling healthy and "like myself" SEE fits perfectly. These days...I am able to be objective enough about myself and my habits...my trends...my moods....and SEE works for me however I've been question my subtype lately.

Havn't read this whole thread yet, just had to post before I forgot about this. And I'm not sure what conclusions anyone came too, but I'm not entirely opposed to SL being SEE...although Ive always felt EIE fit very well (I'm extremely familiar with EIE's, my best friend is one and so is my grandmother who raised me).....she has a sort of aggression that I do not associate with Gamma's.....but I'm the type of person who likes to get better ideas of peoples type by interacting with them in person or via cam etc. And I havn't with her. My view is similar to Starfalls all in all.

Sorry about resurrection this thread lol, just reading some stuff I've missed....

[Gilly]

I'm torn between being polite to strangers on the internet, and just trolling the living daylights out of them for the lolz. What do you advise, Gilly?

Trolling is the universal language of love...self-love. SPREAD THE LOVE DEWY

[Gilly]

I type khamelion IEI-Fe.

[Gilly]

DJ accuses me of being too chaotic all the time. We also share very different views and debate a lot...