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Most hipsters are Ni or Fi. This is type related because Ni-egos are more prone to mental disorders and Fi-valuers "don't want to be put in a box because you can't define people based on bla bla bla because I'm really deep and blurry and ironic at the same time"
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Didn't the constructivist / emotivist say some about this.
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"Hipster" often implies nostalgic, from my understanding.
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Hmm. I was assuming it meant the opposite -- someone who doesn't follow hipstery trends, and prefers a more old-fashioned, out of date style of dress. If I was wrong, then disregard my vote in the above poll!
I follow fashion trends so little that I have only a vague idea of what these terms mean.
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Hipsters I know always say how much they love something new, like it's the best thing they ever seen/heard, then the next day they know nothing about it and are all about something new again. Also this is why it reminded me of some emotivist description I read.
I'm like the opposite; I've had my favorite piece of music for several years, mostly have been with the same style and interests, always liked the same video games, been best friends with someone since first grade, etc.
Oh, I see what you meant before. What you described should be Inert Ethics or Constructivism, vs Emotivism with Contact Ethics which entails seeking new emotional experiences rather than sticking to the old(or something like that).
Ne + Emotivist = Hipster
Ni + Constructivist = Nostalgic
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I detest the label "hipster" and even more so those who would willingly label themselves as hipster (an irony of ironies), but I will say what I am about to say for the sake of the definitions.
The way I see it, there are two main types of hipsters: the "fanboys" (most commonly these are the Apple sheeple who are convinced their >$1000 laptop is better than anything else on the market and refuse to listen to the multitudes of evidence disproving this) and the "nostalgics" (those who are disgruntled with modern industries and complain that their is no originality or quality in the world anymore). The latter oftentimes use old technology and wear old clothes and the like. This thread is a great example.
The two above definitions are almost polar opposites, but yet they both derive from one definition of the hipster ethos: "Mass consumption in the eternal quest for what is cool, distinct, difficult to acquire, or just plain ugly." (obtained from urban dictionary)
Of course, for a person to truly be hipster, he has to have some kind of integral group identity with others like him. It's not about the individual but instead about the whole group, which is almost always elitist and always incredibly ironic, considering people with such mindsets tend to shun the popular trends and cliques on account that they're "too mainstream" or something similar, yet this mindset of rebelling against everything conventional and commonplace becomes, in itself, conventional and common place.
So, my whole point is that rather than trendy and cool being hipsterism and old being nostalgic, they are actually both covered under the definition of "hipster." What's even more bizarre is that these seemingly opposite qualities can actually be present in the same person at the same time (simultaneity much?). So, I guess another point I am making is that the two are not nearly so binary as ESC makes them out to be (then again, ESC seems to thrive on making dichotomies that aren't really there).
Also, trying to correlate one being trendy to Ne and being nostalgic to Ni?
Last edited by nil; 12-22-2011 at 09:28 PM.
Like I said, retro is a subset of hipsterism, in which people don "oldschool" styles and engage in "oldschool" activities because it's the hip and modern thing to do.
The nostalgia I had in mind was that of random, unrelated people who tend to be conservative and stick to their old styles of dress or activities, not because they're hip but because they can't get over the past or don't want to change. Someone listening to Black Sabbath and all the other 60s/70s bands instead of picking up on contemporary music, for example. Sure they're not incompatible, but it's possible for people to have a preference for one over the other.
Besides, I think you took the thread too seriously. I just made it after seeing a post on hipsters here.
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Then define your terms in the OP. It would probably help for the people to know what it is you are talking about. If you don't define your terms, then the people will vote based on their perceptions of the terms you are using, and your data will be skewed and useless.
I guess this post and this post and the premise of the thread to begin with isn't really serious, then?
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Sure thing, though I did add Trendy and Outdated to give a sense of what I meant by Hipster and Nostalgic, respectively. Did that connotation count for anything at all?
Serious, just not critical. I wanted to know what users had to say.
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Nostalgic and outdated here!
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I don't think I'm either really, I kind of just do shit my way
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I'm crowning my hipsterdom by starting a blog, I think. Then I can use 'blog' as a verb and sound like a condescending smug.
See what I did there? Irony about my hipsterdom, ironic in it? I'm so ironic I wouldn't float.
That''s personal hipsterdom imo.
CKC also admitted some degree of hipsterdom.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
LOL! You're so right, but that's Ti-PoLR, not just Valued Fi. Remember that analytical conclusions are rather trivial for a Static unconscious [1] and Te Ego would not give a shit about being put in a box per se. Then Fi-Base, they put people in boxes themselves and have Ti as Role.
In a way, Si-PoLRs (Ni-Creative) are the same, in the sense of feeling that it's impossible to tell what they can do and what they can't, instead of what they are.
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[1] - Dynamic conscious: Te, Fe, Ni and Si found in the Ego and Super-Ego.
When I think of hipsters, I think of Ni Valuers, especially Gamma. iPhone anyone? Oh no, that's too oldies, we made some progress and we're already looking forward to the always obvious Next Generation! Let's guess what's that gonna be, CERTAINLY not something we expect, perhaps it will come from Iran, N Korea, or even aliens. The stranger, the better.
Iphone is too hipster mainstream imho.
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New trends replacing and burying old trends seems Ne to me. This leads to things being recyled and repackaging. I dont see Ne egos having a problem with repackaging and recycling, because they have strong Ni, but Si egos do,esp Ni polrs. My aunt is LSE and my cousin is ESE and they live in the world of mainstream trends, with no historical sense at all. Weird.
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i have conservative taste towards material things (clothing, furniture, architecture) and progressive taste towards immaterial things (films, games, ideas).
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This might be related to something I was thinking about, the perception of time. I was trying to think of different ways to look at time:
1- Time is a stream (large flow); there is future and there is past, and the future becomes the past by means of the present, yet there is no definite amount of water in either direction.
2- Time is like two connected pools of water (small flow); the high pool represents the future and flows into the lower pool which represents the past, but both pools have a finite quantity of water. The higher pool becomes smaller and the lower pool becomes larger.
3- Time is like the ocean tides (large cycle); the levels of water rise and fall, but you cannot see the change happening. Things change, but if you look deeply enough it has all happened before.
4- Time is like the ocean waves (small cycle); the levels of water are turbulent and unpredictable. You can observe the change before your eyes, and are at the mercy of it.
I'm trying to see if I can think of any others.
Time is an illusion.
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