Drake - singer, rapper, actor

[JuJu]

Any ideas on this man's type..?

quotes: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/d/drake.html

[Gilly]

Same type as you, whatever that is.

He's an even bigger ****** though.

[Gilly]

Actually I take that back, he's less pretentious than you are. He's still a tool though.

[JuJu]

Added homophobia to your repertoire..?

[Gilly]

No actually I've had some excellent gay friends.

I'm just giving you SHIT Justin. You're crappy at pretending to be a Beta.

[JuJu]

George, you're acting childish. Anyone have a Socionics opinion..?

[Gilly]

George, you're acting childish. Anyone have a Socionics opinion..?

The type with no reason to be famous?

[Gilly]

Ethical and irrational IMO.

[JuJu]

So it's a "no" from you... Anyone on the forum have a Socionics-related opinion? Personally, my opinion is that he's ESFj.

[Mediator Kam]

Yeah, ESE works. I really resonate with the 'I study women but not a womanizer" thing.

[ScarlettLux]

Yeah, ESE works. I really resonate with the 'I study women but not a womanizer" thing.

... lol

I actually have disliked him for a long time, but can not now deny the instrumental brilliance of his new album Take Care. =/ I still don't like HIM persay... I think he was done a huge favour by music production of guests, singers, etc.

[Mediator Kam]

Nothing wrong with studying women, as long as you are not @_@ boogly on them.

[Creepy-pokeball]

ENTj 6w7. ENTj gone wrong, lol -- w/a touch of Canadian bacon.

[Beautiful sky]

ISTp

[Gilly]

Democratic for sure, he sticks out like a sore thumb from Wayne & Co.

[Slacker]

Hmm well I watched a video, but beyond that I know NOTHING about him. Based on the interview, he struck me as being kind of Gamma and rational.

Should insert here that I only saw part of an interview and it was just my impression. But he didn't seem ESE at all to me. I don't know if not knowing anything makes me not see the whole person, or if it allows me to see him without excess chatter to wade through.

[HERO]

SLE

“If I can find a connection with somebody that can understand what goes on in this life — and when I say somebody who understands, I don’t mean a girl that understands that I’m going to be with other girls; I mean just a girl that’s supportive and makes it easy to exist and laugh,” he said. “Laughing is a big thing. Conversation’s got to flow. We got to laugh at the same things.”

"GQ: People talk a lot of shit, anything you wish they'd stop saying?
Drake: That's tough. I wish that we lived in a time and a generation where people would stop viewing my honesty as overly emotional. People always act like I spend my life crying in a dark room. I don't, I'm good. I'm a man. I want to be remembered as an artist that gave you a piece of me, as opposed to some surface bullshit. I don't think people realize that we die, we leave here, and either they forget about you or remember you. And how they remember you is up to you. I just want to be remembered as a poet that was open and honest because I wake up every morning and I'm me."


http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_a...php?name=Drake

[Gilly]

Lol that might indicate SLE superficially if it wasn't utter bullshit

There is no way in HELL Drake is SLE.

[Gilly]

Lmao..."I'm good, I'm a man..."

[JuJu]

Personally, I'm open-minded as to his type and won't try to make a case for ESE. I'll just say what I see, from basic to more specific. To agape, all I'll say is that I'd use that same quote to show ethics and rationality.

* Ethical > Logical ... This person is fixated on his own feelings -- they're not surface feelings either, or "idealizations" as he put it... They're analyzed to excess and sometimes to annoyance (my own personal opinion,) although I admire that he's willing to put it all out there.

* Democratic > Aristocratic (like George noted above... And, like ScarlettLux noted: his propensity to work with everyone -- I agree, it makes his stuff better -- seems Democratic, given the varied people he's collaboratorated with.)

* Rational > Irrational -- Drake focuses on actions and (usually his own) emotions rather than on states of mind.

The only two types with those characteristics are ESFjs and ISFjs. Supposedly, he's a close friend of Rhianna's (personally, I haven't tried to type her.)

[HERO]

I'm still leaning towards SLE-Ti (Dominant subtype) [ESTp-ESFj]. I could be wrong about both the subtype and the core type of course.

I think the most 'emotional'/sensitive SLE's tend to be the ones that are singers, musicians, song-writers, etc.

http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...ual_behavior_2

'Sexual behavior
Tend to occupy a “wait and see attitude” as they are prone to doubt others feelings towards them. Their emotional expression may appear somewhat forced as they prefer to await the initiative of others; afterwards are tender and attentive with an aim of improving sexual techniques. Internally are sentimental; love uncommon adventures. Not quick to forget past offences. Have need of someone reasonable, flexible and diplomatic. Their partner should be affectionate, attractive, merry and optimistic.'

I still think he has an SLE face. Compare him to Courtney Love, for instance --



And the random SLE's here: http://www.socioniko.net/ru/type-foto/fl-fil.html
[especially the second woman in the central row counting from the right-hand side and the second guy in the first row counting from the left-hand side]

And Nick Nittoli (from 'Platinum Hit'), who I also type SLE:




Anyway, regarding Drake, I listened to a song which I kind of like:



If he's not SLE (since SLE does seem rather unlikely considering the reactions), then I'd say that ESE or EIE-Fe seem plausible. Either way, I don't really know enough about him (or his music...) to make an informed opinion. I definitely agree that he's Fe/Ti (a Merry type). There seems to be quite a variety of opinions on his sociotype. JuJu has a strong argument for Drake being an ESFj.

[JuJu]

and wtf his hairline is freakishly straight.

Last week, I got a haircut in Springfield, Massachusetts, and the "barber" cut me a straight hairline... It's beginning to grow out, and it's in an awkward phase already.


@ agape: Thank you for that well-thought out response. I'm wondering, can you sense Se in Se-base individuals? Drake, to me, comes off softer than Se egos do, generally speaking. There's some aggression in his music... With that said, in my opinion, his mind is generally elsewhere -- even more than Common, who raps about violence in a "teaching you a lesson" way.


Could you, agape, or someone else expand on whether they see him as Merry or Serious?

[JuJu]

Starfall!! long time no see on the internets?

If Rihanna is Beta NF, most likely IEI -- any idea what that would make Drake..? (Aside from one lucky guy?)

[Beautiful sky]

This person is fixated on his own feelings -- they're not surface feelings either, or "idealizations" as he put it... They're analyzed to excess and sometimes to annoyance (my own personal opinion,) although I admire that he's willing to put it all out there.

All introverts not ethical types are fixated on their own person.

Drake focuses on actions and (usually his own) emotions rather than on states of mind.

Te

[JuJu]

Maritsa, could explain why you believe serious over merry..?

[Gilly]

The more I watch the more I find myself agreeing with Jadae. He is kind of Ashton-y. Did you see him at the VMAs performing with Wayne and Eminem? His lack of composure and sloppy stage presence were a rather drastic contrast to the two IEIs. Almost definitely not Merry.

Drake seems to me like the epitome of where sucking a dick can take you.

[Beautiful sky]

Maritsa, could explain why you believe serious over merry..?

That's very obvious IMO; he never jokes, he looks laid back, relaxed and serious. Name one line where he gets a laugh out of someone.

In the video, he demonstrates Ti in saying that there are two types of rapping about women...categorizing that genre for the purposes of inferring thought from his comparison; and he talks about himself way much rather than the art and what he can make of it, that would be Te creative type.

A more natural interview here:

[JuJu]

@George: why do you think "not merry?" In my opinion, in his 'more natural interview: Drake seems to joke around and smile with ease -- he has a natural smile that seems to flash, almost embarrassedly, as he giggles (and it does seem to be a giggle.) His interviewer is clearly not in his quadra and smiles when Drake does, seemingly only to humor him.

When I think of an ESTj, Mitt Romney comes to mind... His (as other ESTjs) smile strike me as plastered on (Jack Nicholson's joker comes to mind,) as though they're exerting effort to smile and appear congenial -- it does not appear natural. Additionally, ESTjs, generally, place no emphasis on feelings.

Drake, I'd argue, has a natural (non plastered-on, non Joker-like) smile, and places excessive emphasis on his own feelings and past actions.

@Maritsa: why would you say that talking about himself make him a Te base type..?

[Gilly]

I don't see what placing an emphasis on feelings has to do with being ethical. Ethical functions are used to make qualitative judgments, not "describe their feelings."

[Gilly]

Personally I think Fe has less to do with smiling and more to do with being objective dynamic ethics. While being emotionally responsive is often an exaggerated trait in Fe types, the fact that his expressiveness is not blatantly deficient is not really a sign of being ethical. He actually seems to be going on an Fi rant when talking about his interest in women's behavior. Personally it struck me as kind of pervy and idiosyncratic. It seems self-centered from an Fe point of view; the behavior itself is unconcerned with the women's responses to this observation, more covertly developing a "model" of how they are. That sounds like static ethics to me, and is a very Te approach to dealing with people.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Not my type at all. I like punk/rock/pop music. hip hop & rap is my least favorite type of music.

Anyways with that personal rant/vent fest out of the way, he definitely seems to be a sensor, and I think ESFj fits the best over-all. His intuitive insights about people seem rather crude, undefined and not very deep.

I don't see how he's Gamma at all. Gammas have this seriousness about them, as well as a superiority complex about themselves. The guy doesn't seem arrogant, and is really thankful for his fame. "I'm just one person out of many" etc. Gammas like Will Smith will talk about themselves in a very 'My shit don't stink as much as yours' way.

(It's never my intention to hurt people's feelings but I can't help but see people incredibly accurately, since nobody is watching me. It's a blessing gift/curse for being so much out of the spotlight. And so just admit that Gammas do this, even my beloved ESFps who I love very very much. )

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Okay, I lied. I will totally hurt somebody's feelings intentionally but only if you hurt mine first.

=0

[JuJu]

Personally I think Fe has less to do with smiling and more to do with being objective dynamic ethics. While being emotionally responsive is often an exaggerated trait in Fe types, the fact that his expressiveness is not blatantly deficient is not really a sign of being ethical.

I agree with this. Personally, I've seen logical types act emotionally, and vice versa. With that said, would you say that Drake -- both in his natural interview, and in his music -- harps on ethics (in the Socionic sense?)

He actually seems to be going on an Fi rant when talking about his interest in women's behavior. Personally it struck me as kind of pervy and idiosyncratic. It seems self-centered from an Fe point of view; the behavior itself is unconcerned with the women's responses to this observation, more covertly developing a "model" of how they are. That sounds like static ethics to me, and is a very Te approach to dealing with people.

Would you explain why you think that Drake is unconcerned with womens' responses? I'm interested.

Thank you, BulletsandDoves -- that's my thinking as well at this point, (ESE,) although I'm still open-minded.

[Gilly]

I didn't say Drake was unconcerned with women's responses. I said that particular thing he's talking about, the way he observes women, does not involve how they react or the actual exchange, but rather sort of him "figuring them out." I don't think an Fe type would word it that literally, I think seeing how people "work" is a much more natural and intuitive thing for them and they would probably talk about it much more casually rather than outlining it as some kind of "method."

[Beautiful sky]

@Maritsa: why would you say that talking about himself make him a Te base type..?

I'm not saying he's Te base; I'm saying he's SLI

[Gilly]

Juju has a thing for twisting words.

[glam]

When I think of an ESTj, Mitt Romney comes to mind... His (as other ESTjs) smile strike me as plastered on (Jack Nicholson's joker comes to mind,) as though they're exerting effort to smile and appear congenial -- it does not appear natural. Additionally, ESTjs, generally, place no emphasis on feelings.

i think Romney could be LIE-Te, but LSE would be my next guess.

[HERO]

Well Romney's definitely a Te-base: I'm pretty sure I don't like him.

Regarding Drake, what Gilly said about him coincides with the supposition that Drake might be a Logical type, yet probably not Fe-PoLR. I'm still not convinced he's Fi-valuing ("Serious").

And the idea that collaboration is the sole domain of Democratic types is something I disagree with. To be honest, I'm not even sure how type-related something like that can be. Maybe it's more common in Extroverts than Introverts. Maybe.

Courtney Love has collaborated with a lot of people in music -- Billy Corgan, Linda Perry, Kat Bjelland, Eric Erlandson, Jordon Zadorozny, Melissa Auf der Maur, Charlotte Caffey, Bernie Taupin, Patty Schemel, Jerry Best, Larry Schemel, James Barber, Samantha Maloney, Chris Whitemyer, Micko Larkin, Pete Thorn, Jill Emery, Kurt Cobain, Caroline Rue, etc.

[Gilly]

Well collaboration isn't exclusively Democratic, but if you look at Aristocrats they tend to be a bit more incestuous, ie Dre produces all of Eminems records, whereas Drake his a bit more promiscuous in his dabbling.

[Creepy-male]

I heard somewhere that he likes to get his ass eaten out --- so Fe-IEI is my guess.