Schizotypal Personality Questionnaire

[Raver]

Except if you read how introversion is defined (outside of common parlance and pop-psych), it's obviously the same thing. I'm not going to argue with you about this.



Introversion trait might be correlated with it—at least insofar as how this particular test is measuring schizotypy. Obviously it doesn't impact whether you have schizotypy or not, since correlation ≠ causation.

But c'mon, if you've a test with questions like "I am mostly quiet when with other people," introverts on average are going to score slightly higher. Don't see why you're debating this.

I'll agree with you on this, but what I don't understand is why would being an introvert disqualify 10 points from schizotypy? It shouldn't be deducted just because their personality makes them more schizotypal. Plus taking out 10 points seems highly arbitrary anyways.

You're missing the point. A reliable screening instrument for ADHD diagnosis would exclude EXXp traits.

So I assume that you follow the same standard for the schizotypal test by subtracting exxp traits for ADHD and subtracting inxx traits for schizotypal? If you're going to subtract points for introversion, you might as well subtract points for intuition, while you're at it.

[Raver]

Again, I'm just talking about how this particular test measures schizotypy. It's obvious that there are questions on it which tend to cause introverts to get higher scores.

Because it's not obvious to me, judging by the questions on the test, that it conflates N w/ schizotypy.

The only clear trait that would signify introversion that would cause you to get a higher score is probably suspicion imo. What do odd speech, eccentric behavior, points of reference and magical beliefs have anything to do with introversion? I'd say eccentric behavior might be linked with intuition if anything. Having no close friends is probably irrelevant to introversion as introverts put more energy into having less, but more personal relationships, even though it might be more difficult to achieve for them than extraverts, so it balances out that way. I think what's the most obvious to me is the correlation between being a 6 and being schizotypal. Being tested for levels of social anxiety and levels of suspicion, which are clear 6 traits.

[Raver]

Hurrrr, I never said it did. Jesus fucking christ.

Nobody claimed that was relevant.

So you agree then there is no link between introversion and schizotypy as you just said there is little to no relevance at all to any of what the test measured with introversion, thanks for proving my point.

[Raver]

No you stupid shithead. I said that some of the questions on that particular test unfairly weight towards introversion. That's it.

I had a feeling you'd degenerate to a childish insult, though knowing you this is not a surprise at all. So debating this with you for any longer is completely pointless because all you do is just undermine claims and insult rather than give any substance to your argument. Anyways my main argument is you are clearly overestimating the link between introversion and schizotypy and I'll leave it at that.

[Saberstorm]

Ideas of reference 3.5 out of 9 Unsure 0
Excessive social anxiety 2 out of 8 Unsure 0
Odd beliefs or magical thinking 2.5 out of 7 Unsure 0
Unusual perceptual experiences 3.5 out of 9 Unsure 0
Odd or eccentric behavior 2 out of 7 Unsure 0
No close friends 2 out of 9 Unsure 0
Odd speech 2 out of 9 Unsure 0
Constricted affect 0.5 out of 8 Unsure 0
Suspiciousness 1 out of 8 Unsure 0
Total SPQ-A 19 out of 74


I guess I am not that weird...

[Cat King Cole]

Introversion, in particular introversion stemming from a lack of pleasure derived from social interactions, is an aspect of schizotypy. In addition, some of the questions about lack of friends and suspiciousness might suggest that schizotypes are loners out of fear.

Traveler, you'd do best not bringing pop psych and questionable systems like Socionics into actual psychology. Enjoy each hobby for what it is. Trying to use Socionics as a hermeneutical tool for Socionics (of course you're more schizotypal, you're INXx!) makes as much sense as using Socionics as a hermeneutical tool for astrology (of course you're less perfectionistic than a Virgo, you're an ISXp!) or the Enneagram or whatever. In general, mixing and matching systems is like trying to fit pieces from different jigsaw puzzles together. It doesn't work, the pieces don't fit, and all you wind up with are broken edges and a nonsensical picture.

[Saberstorm]

Does "actual" psychology look down on socionics? I bet. But does it not also look down on Meyers Briggs?

[Creepy-pokeball]

Does "actual" psychology look down on socionics? I bet. But does it not also look down on Meyers Briggs?

MBTI only has its place in career counseling and not other formats of psychology. Simple formats such as overall Introversion/Extroversion are usually more acceptable as a whole to the field of mental health. However, there are other similar exams which some practioners would find more helpful. I am called a Global/Visual in one exam, for example. I cannot recall the exam name right now, and I know these sorts of psychometry are updated/changed almost yearly. Another factor to consider is that those in the diverse world of mental health often disagree on what is legitimate and what is not. Hell, even the DSM-V is huge controversy. I own the DSM-III and DSM-IV-TR, and the changes as time flows is astounding. Who and why dictates what is and what is not "real" is always a huge debate.

[Raver]

I'm insulting you because you've concocted entirely frivolous argument which has little to do with what I actually said, which was that some of the questions on this test seem to be unfairly weighted towards introversion. I did not allege a definite link between schizotypy and introversion (there may be a correlation between the two, but I haven't looked into it, so I'm not prepared to say one way or the other).

Either you're an idiot with poor reading comprehension, or a liar who's bent on misrepresenting my position. Which is it?

Neither, I was just stressed out at the time and wasn't able to think clearly so I overreacted as a result.

[Raver]

Ah, okay. My apologies then. Hope you're doing better.

Thanks.

[Aquagraph]

Introverts have more of their own world whereas extroverts live more in a world 'shared by others' and thus in a 'normal' world. Look at all the nuts! Introverts all of them.

[DividedsGhost]

I got like 23 or something. The page flashed before it went to another one.

I don't know why, but this test seemed to be testing for symptoms of projecting via paranoia, which I guess apparently has a lot to do with schizotypal then...huh. Ashton's right though, the more introverted you are, the higher the score will be, generally. Some of the questions were directly related to testing introversion and assuming it automatically has to do with schizotypal....imo, anyway...

[jessica129]

I don't think Chrome displays it for some reason, I had to us IE.

[Absurd]

I don't think Chrome displays it for some reason, I had to us IE.

You're not nutty?

[Trevor]

self-reported introverts:
maritsa 37.5
marie - 28
bg - 27.5
trevor - 24
walker - 23.5
divided - 23
uniden - 22
jessica - 17.5
squark - 14.5

self-reported extroverts:
ckc - 42
aquagraph - 38.5
anndelise - 37
traveler - 33
abbie - 19
saberstorm - 19
agee - 17.5
galen - 12
absurd - 7
jadae - 5.5
ashton - 4
ssmall - 3.5
confimed - 2.5

[Trevor]

why u no post ur results? @introverts

[Aquagraph]

self-reported introverts:
marie - 28 EII
bg - 27.5
trevor - 24 LSI-Ti
walker - 23.5 IEI
divided - 23
uniden - 22
jessica - 17.5
squark - 14.5

self-reported extroverts:
ckc - 42 ILE
aquagraph - 38.5 ILE-Ti
anndelise - 37 IEE
traveler - 33 IEE
abbie - 19 LSE
saberstorm - 19 Beta
agee - 17.5 SLE
galen - 12 IEE-Fi
absurd - 7 LSE
jadae - 5.5 EIE-Fe
ashton - 4 LIE-Ni
ssmall - 3.5
confimed - 2.5

Added some of your types.
This is very unscientific, but maybe we can see something type-related here.

[jessica129]

You're not nutty?

I only got a 17.5 so no. I actually thought I'd score a lot higher and wasn't going to post my results but that's pretty damn average if I do say so myself. I'm proud.