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Last edited by glam; 12-23-2011 at 06:35 AM.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
I am unable to have basic respect for the suggestion that he is ENTp; he doesn't remotely show any signs of creative intellectual drive and unconventionality; sooner a lack of both. The guy is all about pragmatism, real-politik, meeting expectations and looking good doing it all. I don't see why anyone would not immediately recognize the brimming glut of Te and Si in him.
Anyway, you're probably upset about being called his conflictor or something. Conflictor doesn't mean you can't like the person from a distance. It just means you don't interact well with them.
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Last edited by glam; 12-23-2011 at 06:35 AM.
And vice versa for dual and semi-dual.
Hi Glam.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Somebody ordered a non-boring LSE? Well, here I am.
Have you considered ISTj for Mark Rutte?
Bruce Weide is definite LSE.
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 12-04-2011 at 06:07 PM.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
go away.
Uggg....the site of you. Your arrogance makes me cringe. Just F-ING type yourself ISTj and save yourself.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Oh, and by the way, I type Mark Rutte SLI and I confirm that.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
The site?
Haha, I love him/his character!
No. Not LSE; SLE!!!
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Anyone who's seen him in an interview would type him an introvert. He's NOT LSE.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Jeff Rubin, economic analyst:
Fred Harrison, economic analyst (skip to 2:00):
look for a somewhat droning, flowing, edifying, narrating voice in ESTjs. both of these guys have it.
James Randi:
Yeah, he's an LSE. He says a lot of FACTS about himself.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4328/Opinie/article/detail/3090362/2011/12/22/Bekroonde-Mark-Rutte-is-iedereens-darling.dhtml
Title in English: Awarded Mark Rutte is everybody's darling.
Mark Rutte is SEE. Typings such as LSE, LSI or SLI show a clear lack of understanding of Rutte's outstanding social and political skills, by which he fools most Dutch (although it's a bit odd he's still single).
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
I can't point directly to his sayings and say this is why I think he's SLI because I haven't been able to find good amount of info on it; but, I go by VI and he looks like an SLI.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
This is exactly why one shouldn't type a person without knowing about his behavior, especially when you're prone, like you are, to type most people Delta-ST.
If you have been able to see this person in real life (i.e. without television cameras around), like I have, you would have seen a person that has an attitude of "As a matter of fact, I do own this place!"
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
Charles Ingram is Te-ESTj and he seems kinda not-boring, considering the things he's done. He seems like a good example of an ESTj E6.
There are 4 other parts to the documentary. It's really interesting if you are/were into Millionaire. His wife Diana is likely Te-ISTp.
Last edited by Galen; 12-23-2011 at 06:09 AM.
Heh this is interesting. When the host said the wife was disappointed by her performance, that was a kinda Fe-PoLR moment there.
That $500,000 question just kills me to watch. He makes it so painfully obvious that something is up, and his overt nervousness about every baby step he takes makes me cringe.
Lord Alan Sugar:
Here's a picture of non-boring.
Note the potential to be boring.
Why LSE if I may ask? He's always struck me as Beta ST, particularly from articles like this doesn't sound particularly Si/Ne valuing....
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on another note, I think Yvonne Strahovshi could be an easy going LSE
Last edited by Marie84; 01-19-2012 at 10:32 AM.
EII INFj
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Baseleading function - business logic
Extroversion
Dislike of people who try to play the emotions card, dislike of overt expressivenes i.e. dislike of=> Fi/Te values
EJ - linear-assertive temperament
ST - pragmatist club.
This, IMO, is sufficient for a reliable typing.
"Emotional card" could easily apply to Fi ethics just as much as Fe, in the sense that Fi could identify offense or boundary crossing and react in either a direct subversive or withdrawing mannerBase
Extroversion
Dislike of people who try to play the emotions card,
Fe doesn't necessarily mean "overt" though, and even than, you'd have to define what overt expressiveness even means, since it sounds more subjective than anythingdislike of overt expressivenes i.e. dislike of
Which couldn't apply to any Se ego as well?EJ - linear-assertive temperament
This, IMO, is sufficient for a reliable typing.
EII INFj
Forum status: retired
It couldn't because no Se type is EJ - linear-assertive temperament. Some pretty good resources here: http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...EJ_temperamentWhich couldn't apply to any Se ego as well?
In other words: Te-Base + E>I + Fi/Te values + EJ temperament + ST-club => LSE.
Thanks for the correction, I didn't recall that Gulenko named the temperaments and thought you were referring to general assertiveness, my bad
On that note, I don't really see Sugar as heavily Ej according to the description, he comes across more Ij; not that I want to use temperament as a basis for his type. It's from what I'd read and how he comes across in videos that doesn't at all strike me as Si/Ne valuing; he doesn't seem to be just a hard working busy body like an LSE, rather his motive comes across as being power seeking and domination with no regard for simplistic pleasures in the Si sense.
I mean, if you can find something or make an argument to show that he has Delta values I'd change my opinion, but so far I haven't seen any
That's what I'm trying to figure out, how does he devalue Fe or value Fi?In other words: Te-Base + E>I + Fi/Te values + EJ temperament + ST-club => LSE.
You said he doesn't like overt emotionality, fine, but that doesn't really tell me much since like I mentioned, I could see that applying to either ethical IE
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Forum status: retired
While I've noticed that some SEE tend to be spontaneous and impulsive in love, as in jumping into relationships without consideration about compatibility, I've also noticed that LSE get starry eyed about their love choices; they tend to fall head over heels with women only to discover they are not assessing these women for who they are and conjuring unreal or fantasized images of them until things go wrong in the relationship and then they may consider that their object of affection wasn't like they fantasized of them in reality. This might be due to Se and Ti being in the subconscious. I'm a lot more careful and have always assessed people I've dated for all sorts of qualities before seriously considering them as a relationship. In this way, you can say that I'm a lot more realistic than my LSE dual, who I help understand and overcome their feelings associated with not being able to let go of the image of the fantasized woman who in reality is not compatible with them.
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Besides for blindly putting people on a pedestal and rationalizing and overlooking or dismissing their flaws, an LSE needs constant reassurance of ones love and affection for them. They love and appreciate spontaneous gestures of affection, romance, words of affection like "I love you" on a constant basis. Being a negativist type, they have a hard time accepting that their SO loves them unless they are constantly told; they don't like it when people say "why don't you believe me, I told you how I feel." It's not that they don't distrust the person's affections for them, but that they have a low self-esteem; it doesn't matter that they are handsome or successful or what, because sometimes they don't trust it, they are insecure. This is why they need an introvert who has no problem expressing love, words of love, hugs, kisses, gestures of affection, romantic meals, candlelight and roses...
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I do not have a low self-esteem! I have yet to determine whether I would need reminded of affection, whether it's safer to convince myself the other person's last claim regarding their opinion of me is still true or that everyone moves toward ambivalence over time. But either way, being unsure of another person's current feelings does NOT point to low self-esteem. I've been assuming I can get anyone I want, and even when that was disproven I remained stuck in that mindset.Besides for blindly putting people on a pedestal and rationalizing and overlooking or dismissing their flaws, an LSE needs constant reassurance of ones love and affection for them. They love and appreciate spontaneous gestures of affection, romance, words of affection like "I love you" on a constant basis. Being a negativist type, they have a hard time accepting that their SO loves them unless they are constantly told; they don't like it when people say "why don't you believe me, I told you how I feel." It's not that they don't distrust the person's affections for them, but that they have a low self-esteem; it doesn't matter that they are handsome or successful or what, because sometimes they don't trust it, they are insecure. This is why they need an introvert who has no problem expressing love, words of love, hugs, kisses, gestures of affection, romantic meals, candlelight and roses...
It's kind of a wild guess, but Antonio "Minotauro" Nogueira strikes me as LSE:
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