Fi suggestive/dual-seeking of LSEs-ESTjs and LIEs-ENTjs

[Beautiful sky]

How do you guys think LSE handle relationships, personal, emotional, familial, etc.

[InvisibleJim]

It appears they motivate neurotic IEEs to keep talking about it on the internets.

[DirectorAbbie]

Do you only want the guys' input?

[Creepy-theticalanti]

How do you guys think LSE handle relationships, personal, emotional, familial, etc.

Objectively.

Gauging emotional reactions and distances is something valued by us, but we are naturally bad at it. If we act formally, objectively, and stay consistent in our actions, it's easier to measure how the other person reacts to make an accurate comparison between how they feel about us and how others feel/act towards us.

Work has a certain appeal. It's important to mention, since sometimes LSEs will push away even family for their work. We like work because in most cases it's fun for us, fulfilling our Te; and in other cases, in healthier LSEs, we do it ultimately to provide a better lifestyle to our families, be more in-control with our lives, and spend more time with them.

That being said, in family relations, if things become strained, LSE will resort back to work. We subconsciously expect others to maintain/develop relationships. Healthier, more developed LSEs can do this better ourselves, and continue to add value to the relationship.

Lastly, LSEs tend to keep a mental log of all experiences with a person, using Si. In general, the longer we know someone, or the more time we spend with them, the closer the relationship. Time is crucial to developing trust. Delta relationships, especially LSE-EII, tend to develop much more slowly than Beta relationships. Because of this, there is a weakness in LSEs to disregard family members who have been inconsistent in our lives and to reject them just like anybody else. This is actually the furthest from what the LSE desires, close relationships with family - but when push comes to shove, we are objective because that is most natural for us.

This is just my perspective. I'm sure I've projected some. Not all of this will apply to every LSE. Hope this adds value to the discussion.

I'll also add, I don't view any of this behavior as necessarily "neurotic", as implied by the thread subject title. It's natural and works.

[Beautiful sky]

How do you handle neurosis, maritsa?

OMG, what creates it in me is when too many things happen at the same time. The last case of neurosis was when I was visiting Michael and my sister txts me with news about her new premi baby, my dad ending up in the hospital, my mom worried about everyone; when too many events are created at the same time, when I sit there and imagine how everyone must be feeling, when I imagine what must be happening, when I think of the worst possible scenarios and how I might have to prepare to handle each one; I don't live in the moment, I can't focus on what's in front of me, I get so scattered with my thoughts and paralyzed with actions, I get excessively worried about other possible things that may or may not happen. Too many thoughts in regards to actions are created within my mind. At that moment, I need someone to sit next to me, hug me and say "this is what's happening now, you don't know the rest, you need to live in the moment, focus on getting this done, this is the most important action to take now, don't focus on his/her behavior/actions, do this."

[Beautiful sky]

Um, it's so strange and sad to hear people, especially some LSE, say that they would rather have a dog than a human being in their lives; I was so emotionally moved by this suggestion that I cried almost all day to my LSE friend and asked why I was so deeply impacted by such a saying and I just asked him to help me work through my flustered emotions about this topic, and you will also notice that this isn't the first time I've mentioned this, which only means that it's been very impactive on my. Well the discussion went:

LSE: "Do you want me to compare what it's like having a dog as a companion rather than a human being?"
Me: Yes, please.
LSE: "Well, you give emotional support to a dog but you can't get one from them, but with a human being you can get emotional support from them, which is what I need."
Me: So you do value relationship.
LSE: "I only said what I said to you the last time because I was frustrated and was dealing with a lot of small problems, that were insignificant, but I didn't mean it."
Me: You better not say something like that again.
LSE: "Why are you so tied up about it."
Me: It's wrong to not value relationships, human beings, not to appreciate people, even if you don't agree with minor things just because you're the type of person who is so emotional about what they say as it's in regards to you.
LSE: "I know. I didn't mean it." (laughs, hugs me)

[Kim]

I prefer being with dogs over people most of the time. Very few humans make me giggle at least 5 times a day every day.

[DirectorAbbie]

I certainly wouldn't rather have a dog than a human being. Do you realize how much training they would require just to understand how to "close the curtains?"

[InvisibleJim]

I certainly wouldn't rather have a dog than a human being. Do you realize how much training they would require just to understand how to "close the curtains?"

Is it more or equal to the amount of training required to get an EII to understand how to 'close the curtains'?

[Creepy-theticalanti]

I certainly wouldn't rather have a dog than a human being. Do you realize how much training they would require just to understand how to "close the curtains?"

It requires much training to teach certain individuals how to pick up after themselves. And sometimes they still don't get it. At least dogs respond to treats and positive reinforcement.