Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan
In the following threads, two views of ESFj are presented:

http://the16types.info/forums/viewto...=4301&start=45
http://the16types.info/forums/viewto...r=asc&start=60

One extreme: nurturing, friendly people who are willing to do all the grunt work and are not very demanding themselves.

Another extreme: overbearing, demanding type-A personalities who are illogical but still want everyone to do things their way and get angry if that doesn't happen.

These views seem pretty opposite. Which ones are the real ESFjs?
I think both are good descriptions You just have to combine them to see the whole elephant. If you totally submit to their illogical and overbearing ways and demands they become nurturing and friendly people who wash your clothes, cook your meals, take good care of your children and your old parents and fulfill your every wish. If you refuse to submit or even dare to openly rebel against their illogic then they will crush you like an annoying bug.