Is there a correlation between the Big Five and Socionic type?

[ClownsandEntropy]

Pretty self-explanatory, are certain types more likely to have similar scores on the Big Five categories (Openness, Conscientiousness, Extroversion, Agreeableness, Neuroticism)? It seems that, since the Big Five is one of the more accepted personality descriptors, if we can associate type and the five dimensions, it may be beneficial for precision or... something else, no doubt.

And apologies if there is already a thread related to this.

[squark]

Pretty self-explanatory, are certain types more likely to have similar scores on the Big Five categories (Openness, Conscientiousness, Extroversion, Agreeableness, Neuroticism)? It seems that, since the Big Five is one of the more accepted personality descriptors, if we can associate type and the five dimensions, it may be beneficial for precision or... something else, no doubt.

And apologies if there is already a thread related to this.

My guess without thinking too deeply about it:

IJs are prob higher in conscientiousness
negativists are prob higher in neuroticism
ethicals are prob higher in agreeableness
extroverts in extroversion
and I doubt openness has any meaningful correlation

[Aquagraph]

IJs are prob higher in conscientiousness
negativists are prob higher in neuroticism
ethicals are prob higher in agreeableness
extroverts in extroversion

Intuitively, I'd say:
-Ne ego correlates with openness whereas Se ego propably does it the other way around
-Se ego propably propably are more extrovert (even if it would be merely a creative funtion) and less neurotic.
-Fi might have a correlation with being neurotic although Se might bring it down a bit.
-Ti might correlate with being neurotic.

[Cuddly McFluffles]

My understanding of the Neuroticism scale is that it deals with our attention to potential consequences. People on the high end to to get paralysis by analysis, so freaked out by what could go wrong that they never act; whereas those on the extreme low end do what they please with no thought to the consequences. I wish I could remember the name of the book I read that in. I really liked it.

Anyway, I'm an base who consistently scores high on the N scale and lower on the A scale. I think the latter happens because I can be very self-centered and opportunistic, as opposed to my being blatantly rude/mean to people.

[Absurd]

My results:

Factor I : Extraversion (AKA Surgency)

This trait reflects preference for, and behavior in, social situations. People high in extraversion are energetic and seek out the company of others. Low scorers (introverts) tend to be more quiet and reserved. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (42) is relatively high.

Factor II : Agreeableness (AKA Friendliness)

This trait reflects how we tend to interact with others. People high in agreeableness tend to be trusting, friendly and cooperative. Low scorers tend to be more aggressive and less cooperative. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (15) is relatively low.

Factor III : Conscientiousness (AKA Will or Dependability)

This trait reflects how organized and persistent we are in pursuing our goals. High scorers are methodical, well organized and dutiful. Low scorers are less careful, less focussed and more likely to be distracted from tasks. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (42) is relatively high.

Factor IV : Neuroticism

This trait reflects the tendency to experience negative thoughts and feelings. High scorers are prone to insecurity and emotional distress. Low scorers tend to be more relaxed, less emotional and less prone to distress. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (8) is relatively low.

Factor V : Openness (AKA Culture or Intellect)

This trait reflects 'open-mindedness' and interest in culture. High scorers tend to be imaginative, creative, and to seek out cultural and educational experiences. Low scorers are more down-to-earth, less interested in art and more practical in nature. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (13) is relatively low.



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Low E and N, average everything else for me.

[anndelise]

Low conscientiousness/will/dependability
High neuroticism
Avg everything else

[April]

Factor I : Extraversion (AKA Surgency)
This trait reflects preference for, and behavior in, social situations. People high in extraversion are energetic and seek out the company of others. Low scorers (introverts) tend to be more quiet and reserved. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (24) is relatively low.

Factor II : Agreeableness (AKA Friendliness)
This trait reflects how we tend to interact with others. People high in agreeableness tend to be trusting, friendly and cooperative. Low scorers tend to be more aggressive and less cooperative. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (30) is relatively high.

Factor III : Conscientiousness (AKA Will or Dependability)
This trait reflects how organized and persistent we are in pursuing our goals. High scorers are methodical, well organized and dutiful. Low scorers are less careful, less focussed and more likely to be distracted from tasks. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (39) is relatively high.

Factor IV : Neuroticism
This trait reflects the tendency to experience negative thoughts and feelings. High scorers are prone to insecurity and emotional distress. Low scorers tend to be more relaxed, less emotional and less prone to distress. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (17) is relatively low.

Factor V : Openness (AKA Culture or Intellect)
This trait reflects 'open-mindedness' and interest in culture. High scorers tend to be imaginative, creative, and to seek out cultural and educational experiences. Low scorers are more down-to-earth, less interested in art and more practical in nature. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (34) is relatively high.

My results fit the general correlation (NOT RULE) that I've seen suggested most:
Extraversion for I/E
Agreeableness for F/T
Conscientiousness for J/P
Openness for N/S

[mu4]

Factor I : Extraversion (AKA Surgency)

This trait reflects preference for, and behavior in, social situations. People high in extraversion are energetic and seek out the company of others. Low scorers (introverts) tend to be more quiet and reserved. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (32) is about average.

Factor II : Agreeableness (AKA Friendliness)

This trait reflects how we tend to interact with others. People high in agreeableness tend to be trusting, friendly and cooperative. Low scorers tend to be more aggressive and less cooperative. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (27) is about average.

Factor III : Conscientiousness (AKA Will or Dependability)

This trait reflects how organized and persistent we are in pursuing our goals. High scorers are methodical, well organized and dutiful. Low scorers are less careful, less focussed and more likely to be distracted from tasks. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (28) is relatively low.

Factor IV : Neuroticism

This trait reflects the tendency to experience negative thoughts and feelings. High scorers are prone to insecurity and emotional distress. Low scorers tend to be more relaxed, less emotional and less prone to distress. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (19) is about average.

Factor V : Openness (AKA Culture or Intellect)

This trait reflects 'open-mindedness' and interest in culture. High scorers tend to be imaginative, creative, and to seek out cultural and educational experiences. Low scorers are more down-to-earth, less interested in art and more practical in nature. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (32) is relatively high.

[Trevor]

Factor I : Extraversion (AKA Surgency)
This trait reflects preference for, and behavior in, social situations. People high in extraversion are energetic and seek out the company of others. Low scorers (introverts) tend to be more quiet and reserved. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (14) is relatively low.

Factor II : Agreeableness (AKA Friendliness)
This trait reflects how we tend to interact with others. People high in agreeableness tend to be trusting, friendly and cooperative. Low scorers tend to be more aggressive and less cooperative. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (25) is about average.

Factor III : Conscientiousness (AKA Will or Dependability)
This trait reflects how organized and persistent we are in pursuing our goals. High scorers are methodical, well organized and dutiful. Low scorers are less careful, less focussed and more likely to be distracted from tasks. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (24) is relatively low.

Factor IV : Neuroticism
This trait reflects the tendency to experience negative thoughts and feelings. High scorers are prone to insecurity and emotional distress. Low scorers tend to be more relaxed, less emotional and less prone to distress. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (24) is about average.

Factor V : Openness (AKA Culture or Intellect)
This trait reflects 'open-mindedness' and interest in culture. High scorers tend to be imaginative, creative, and to seek out cultural and educational experiences. Low scorers are more down-to-earth, less interested in art and more practical in nature. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (20) is relatively low.

[Trevor]

Trevor the ISTp.

Why ISTp > ISFp?

[FDG]

Extraversion: 30 (about average)
Agreeableness: 19 (relatively low)
Conscientiousness: 29 (relatively low)
Neuroticism: 12 (relatively low)
Openness: 31 (relatively high)

So, running with April's suggested (2nd-hand) correlation, that makes me ENTp. FML.

You're certainly underestimating your E level. Maybe try to answer right after a social event?

Edit: it appears this test has a weird scale. So nevermind.

My own results:

Factor I : Extraversion (AKA Surgency)


This trait reflects preference for, and behavior in, social situations. People high in extraversion are energetic and seek out the company of others. Low scorers (introverts) tend to be more quiet and reserved. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (43) is relatively high.
Factor II : Agreeableness (AKA Friendliness)


This trait reflects how we tend to interact with others. People high in agreeableness tend to be trusting, friendly and cooperative. Low scorers tend to be more aggressive and less cooperative. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (22) is relatively low.
Factor III : Conscientiousness (AKA Will or Dependability)


This trait reflects how organized and persistent we are in pursuing our goals. High scorers are methodical, well organized and dutiful. Low scorers are less careful, less focussed and more likely to be distracted from tasks. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (40) is relatively high.
Factor IV : Neuroticism


This trait reflects the tendency to experience negative thoughts and feelings. High scorers are prone to insecurity and emotional distress. Low scorers tend to be more relaxed, less emotional and less prone to distress. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (9) is relatively low.
Factor V : Openness (AKA Culture or Intellect)


This trait reflects 'open-mindedness' and interest in culture. High scorers tend to be imaginative, creative, and to seek out cultural and educational experiences. Low scorers are more down-to-earth, less interested in art and more practical in nature. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (31) is relatively high.



Btw, I strongly disagree with the correlation between coscentiousness and J-P. My own levels of this parameter can vary a lot, dependingly on how much stuff I have to do.

[silke]

Not for Socionics but for MBTI yes, such correlations have been made: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-B...cator#Big_Five

N correlates to higher Openness.
F correlates to higher Agreeableness.
Being dynamic type correlates to higher Conscientiousness.
Extraversion score is self-explanatory.
Neuroticism doesn't correlate well with anything (has very small positive correlations with being static and introvert, IJ)

Afaik enneagram type and wing have considerable sway over your score. There is a pdf file in this article http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/ar...lease_full.asp that goes over it. For example if you're some type that is expected to score high on, say, Agreeableness, but your enneagram type is one that correlates to low score on this parameter then your overall score is likely to be quite lowered. Overall I think enneagram has more of an effect than jungian functions.

[ClownsandEntropy]

I would expect there to be some correlation between all personality types, depending on what they measure. MBTI seems more superficial than either Socionics or Big Five, but there may be some correlation. Enneagram seems more precise about describing actual people but not as detailed in its descriptions, so I think I agree with siuntal that Big Five is more affected by Enneagram than MBTI, and I also feel that Socionics ought to have a higher correlation with Big Five than MBTI. How much Ennegram affects it, I'm not sure.

Personally, I scored:
Extroversion: 15 (Low)
Agreeableness: 25 (Average)
Conscientiousness: 32 (Average)
Neuroticism: 29 (High)
Openness: 28 (Average)

Re: the test, what are these questions about art supposed to be testing for?

[FDG]

Being dynamic type correlates to higher Conscientiousness.

How so? (the others make perfect sense btw)

[Creepy-pokeball]

Factor I : Extraversion (AKA Surgency)


This trait reflects preference for, and behavior in, social situations. People high in extraversion are energetic and seek out the company of others. Low scorers (introverts) tend to be more quiet and reserved. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (34) is relatively high.

Factor II : Agreeableness (AKA Friendliness)


This trait reflects how we tend to interact with others. People high in agreeableness tend to be trusting, friendly and cooperative. Low scorers tend to be more aggressive and less cooperative. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (25) is about average.

Factor III : Conscientiousness (AKA Will or Dependability)


This trait reflects how organized and persistent we are in pursuing our goals. High scorers are methodical, well organized and dutiful. Low scorers are less careful, less focussed and more likely to be distracted from tasks. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (34) is about average.

Factor IV : Neuroticism


This trait reflects the tendency to experience negative thoughts and feelings. High scorers are prone to insecurity and emotional distress. Low scorers tend to be more relaxed, less emotional and less prone to distress. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (22) is about average.

Factor V : Openness (AKA Culture or Intellect)


This trait reflects 'open-mindedness' and interest in culture. High scorers tend to be imaginative, creative, and to seek out cultural and educational experiences. Low scorers are more down-to-earth, less interested in art and more practical in nature. Compared to other people who have taken this test, your score on this dimension (26) is about average.

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Yay, Im an Extrovert. News Flash. I actually find this test offensive. I had to answer highly unlikely to both the liberal and conservative question, not only because I do not vote, but because that is what is true if I did vote. Its a set of questions laced with bias. In fact, I find this entire test to be biased.

[ClownsandEntropy]

Being dynamic type correlates to higher Conscientiousness.

How so? (the others make perfect sense btw)

The link implies that rationality is more shaped by conscientiousness, so I assume being a J in MBTI is correlated with higher conscientiousness.

[pzombieLIT]

Is there a correlation between the Big Five and Socionic type?


Since there's no explanation for what "exactly" the categories are:

Ti could correlate Socionics aspects/functions with Big 5 categories and be theoretically consistent, but objectively questionable...
Te could focus on making people take tests and showing Socionics results are different from Big 5 and how much they are the same; but then will pretend that's somehow more meaningful than the Ti approach...when it's all still vague to begin with.

Most people just parrot Big 5 is "scientifically validated" and Socionics is "pseudoscience".

It's all a big joke really.

[Enters Laughing]

I think there probably is based on the limited data I have, with the caveat that Socionics has never being empirically described and defined. My view is that Socionics is unnecessary with the existence of the Big Five and accompanying research.

[The Reality Denialist]

Seems like big 5 includes external factors factoring into a personality. So in essense they are certainly not the same. Socionics type lies somewhere where you should deal with consciousness, hence with current tools you should only try getting a handle of the art of a typing process.

I also see Big 5 hiding values hence it seems really hide authoritarian crap in under a veneer of scientific metric in some sense as it rewards personal succes in a society.
HEXACO seems to be more objective and a step towards a scientific direction.

[anndelise]

People tend to score differently on the Big 5 according to particular roles or areas of their life. Such that a person will score differently as a Mother, than she would as a McD's worker, than she would as a Sister, than she would when persuing her hobby as a Skier.

[FDG]

Generally I'd say there is, but it's probably stronger for some types. There is a correlation between Big 5 and MBTI, and there is a correlation between MBTI and Socionics type, however:

- some russian articles show that the degree of perceived convergence between socionics and MBTI type is very strong for certain types and very weak for others.
- iterative application of a correlation function might lead to near-zero results and / or completely different ones

[noid]

there is relationship beetween all ptheory, even with Million Clinical Multiaxial Inventory.
Some ptheory go deeper (socionic (for model/dichotomie/interaction/IM processing), enneagram (for problem emotion)) while other stay ridiculously on the surface (type ABCD)

[Aquagraph]

- correlates somewhat with neuroticism.

I agree with the others, but why this?

[anndelise]

I've read somewhere that extroversion correlates with intelligence, so having an extroverted function as dominant will propably correlate with it cos, you know, Extroverts tend to be extrovert.

Not sure which version of extroversion you mean, but

Extroverts have reduced activity, in response to stimuli, in the neural circuit that keeps the brain aroused. As a result, they need more environmental stimuli to keep them feeling energized.

imo, and socionically related, Xe types spend more time/energy paying attention to TPE rather than relating/comparing/refining/'projecting an extension of' TPE. While an Xi is spending less time gathering Xe info, and more time doing what Xi elements do. Xi elements require more work, thus providing more brain stimulus from the inside, than an Xe element would.

[Aquagraph]

I agree with the others, but why this?

I didn't post this! That looked like an answer to my post which just vanished (and just reposted)! Am I having a discussion with myself?

[Aquagraph]

"Last edited by FDG"?

Whatever it is, it seems like someone tried to ask me why does correlate with being neurotic.
The wish to be precise and spesific is a one big way that seems to manifest itself.

People with strong seem to have tendency to underestimate intelligence of others and get frustrated by it.