Fi PoLR - Misunderstood

[Joy]

Is being paranoid that people are working against you (or that a group has some secret agenda against you, etc.) a Fi PoLR trait?

[Khamelion]

Or some sort of intuitive polr...


I get paranoid like that, but more in matters of social hierarchy. I feel as though people more inclined to form groups around themselves are working to get me excluded from their groups. Mainly because it's happened a lot. Which is why I get annoyed with a lot of ExFx's. Bitches.


It may feel awesome when you are in their group though, don't be fooled. You think you're accepted, then you do one thing that goes agaisnt their idea of "cool" and you have a knife protruding from your back-side.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Joy]

Well, a Fi type would be perceptive of this. A Fi PoLR type may think such is the case when it is not (that's the theory I'm asking about at least).

[Mea]

Err, I don't think only Fi PoLR people feel that way?

Or some sort of intuitive polr...


I get paranoid like that, but more in matters of social hierarchy. I feel as though people more inclined to form groups around themselves are working to get me excluded from their groups. Mainly because it's happened a lot. Which is why I get annoyed with a lot of ExFx's. Bitches.


It may feel awesome when you are in their group though, don't be fooled. You think you're accepted, then you do one thing that goes agaisnt their idea of "cool" and you have a knife protruding from your back-side.

I've seen that happen a lot with ESFjs

[Khamelion]

huijklljk

[Exodus]

Or some sort of intuitive polr...

yes

[ScarlettLux]

I would think what you described is greatly indicative of a PoLR and I say this because many ISTjs and ISFjs I know all have that paranoia about people talking behind their backs, making wrong assumptions about them.. etc. I'm not too sure why this is related to though, but it seems to be. Maybe it's because there are so many POSSIBILITIES for the reasons why people say/do things.. in connection with the strong need for that might screw them up if they don't recieve enough validation of others' emotions?

[Rocket]

Is being paranoid that people are working against you (or that a group has some secret agenda against you, etc.) a Fi PoLR trait?

Its much easier for conspiracies to exist in the mind than in reality. If people seem to be working against you or refusing cooperation then the most likely explanation is that they have the same individual response to you rather than conspiring. Someone with weak or PoLR can induce resentment due to simple lack of consideration. Often they will just simply step into a room and expect that others will adopt their agenda regardless of what they were up to just a minute ago (i've seen this mainly with ENTP & ENTJ).

[Joy]

I guess the question is more so about being sensitive to people disliking you... Would a Fi PoLR person be likely to be overly concerned in worrying that people don't like him/her? (and actually make people dislike him/her as a result? )

[1981slater]

Answer to Joy: ..YES ...and being unable to know the right psychological distance between you and your acquitances

[Joy]

So an ExTp might be overly defensive in response to people that they worry dislike them?

[Expat]

Perhaps it can go either way.

My ENTp brother doesn't seem to be concerned about that at all. I never heard him say anything about people liking him or not. An ESFp girl who dated one of his friends - an ESTp - once told me that many people couldn't stand my brother, but he seemed oblivious to it. I really don't know what would be his reaction if someone told him, "you know, a lot of those people can't stand you". He's intellectually very self-confident, even arrogant, so I guess he'd just think that they're idiots.

A former ESTp work colleague seemed to take for granted that everyone had to love a guy with his personality, he always assumed that everyone liked him more than me. But if it was pointed out to him that some people deeply disliked him, especially due to something specific, he'd go very quiet.

As for being "overly concerned and therefore make others dislike him" - I could imagine that happening, FWIW.

[1981slater]

So I guess your brother is an ENTp logical subtype

[Expat]

So I guess your brother is an ENTp logical subtype

Yes that's what I think.

[Khamelion]

I am EXTREMELY concerned with people disliking me, ONLY if the reason does not make sense to me. Or is invalid.

Give me a valid reason and I'll come to terms with it. I give everyone a chance and I expect the same from everyone else...

[Rocket]

Makes you wonder if PoLR is the biggest handicap of all possible functions that can occupy that spot. If you are ENTP then really you just expect that people will be decent. You adopt that assumption as a given and seek to have have fun with the rest assuming that others share your sense of adventure. You expect others will understand that and not to take things too personally. Trouble is people are far more complex than that, not everyone is interested in the sort of "wacky" style of the ENTP. When you combine that with the genral nature of many people to seek advantage by such means as masking their motives, manipulating emotions or simply by being serious/conservative and and expect everyone to play by the book you begin to see how awkward PoLR can be. Suddenly lack of perception of the true status of a realationship can be seen in a very negative light, even to the extent of being "evil" .... and yet in reality there are few types that would stand by a friend in real need as much as an ENTP (or an ESTP i am given to understand)

[FDG]

Makes you wonder if PoLR is the biggest handicap of all possible functions that can occupy that spot. If you are ENTP then really you just expect that people will be decent. You adopt that assumption as a given and seek to have have fun with the rest assuming that others share your sense of adventure. You expect others will understand that and not to take things too personally. Trouble is people are far more complex than that, not everyone is interested in the sort of "wacky" style of the ENTP. When you combine that with the genral nature of many people to seek advantage by such means as masking their motives, manipulating emotions or simply by being serious/conservative and and expect everyone to play by the book you begin to see how awkward PoLR can be. Suddenly lack of perception of the true status of a realationship can be seen in a very negative light, even to the extent of being "evil" .... and yet in reality there are few types that would stand by a friend in real need as much as an ENTP (or an ESTP i am given to understand)

Just hang out with people that don't care. There are a lot that don't care, and even more that even WELCOME that kind of stuff!

[stefana]

When you combine that with the genral nature of many people to seek advantage by such means as masking their motives, manipulating emotions or simply by being serious/conservative and and expect everyone to play by the book you begin to see how awkward PoLR can be.

i know an ENTp woman pursuing the same degree as i do. we've worked together in some courses and i often see a girl (whose type is unbeknownst to me) hanging around her, more like clinging to her actually (you'll know shortly). since i've also done group work together with this girl, i know that it's difficult to count on her to do her part or to be there when things go bad. others had to take on extra work because she would disappear when the deadline was near and when her input was urgently needed. if it weren't for the presence of others, i can see the ENTp ending up doing everything. and that was exactly what happened to her in other courses (where she continued teaming up with this girl). this woman had to run up and down taking care of everything and even got an assignment stolen by the girl once. i am aware of why this girl is always sticking to this ENTp woman, even enrolling in the same courses, but the woman isn't aware of it. the way i see it, she's continually being taken advantage of.

[Rocket]

Just hang out with people that don't care. There are a lot that don't care, and even more that even WELCOME that kind of stuff!

Sure there are :-) ... with weak sometimes its easy to overlook them for an ENTP. We kinda have a free for all type mentality where "who" counts for little. Knowing socionics helps enormously ... so things are a little esier than they used to be