Predicting the future or just seeing the big picture?

[chip]

I'm not a prophet or psychic but I seem to have an uncanny ability to predict the general outcome of major events. It's not a psychic ability where I simply go by feel. In fact I can back up my predictions with a multitude of facts and noticing the general direction an event is heading toward. Even moreso I can instantly see the motivation and intentions of others in such a way that I can usually tell what their next move is going to be. I'm often not surprised by anything anymore. Once I have figured out a person's nature then their behaviour becomes a pattern that loops over and over.

Basically people are predictable to me in terms of relationships whether that be international relationships or romantic relationships or co-worker relationships. After spending time with someone I quickly grasp their limitations. Their general feelings may change but their objective behaviour becomes painfully obvious to me.

I do not mean to say I can tell everything that happens but moreso I can sense any major change or lack thereof. I suppose that would be a prediction in the sense that I can see how the beginning of something will or will not alter the end.

any thoughts??

[somavision]

Sounds a bit like social schemas and predicitive attribution.

You're probably good at seeing in this way due to your Ti/Ne.
Good with schematic thinking and insight.

[Satan]

I'm not a prophet or psychic but I seem to have an uncanny ability to predict the general outcome of major events. It's not a psychic ability where I simply go by feel. In fact I can back up my predictions with a multitude of facts and noticing the general direction an event is heading toward. Even moreso I can instantly see the motivation and intentions of others in such a way that I can usually tell what their next move is going to be. I'm often not surprised by anything anymore. Once I have figured out a person's nature then their behaviour becomes a pattern that loops over and over.

Basically people are predictable to me in terms of relationships whether that be international relationships or romantic relationships or co-worker relationships. After spending time with someone I quickly grasp their limitations. Their general feelings may change but their objective behaviour becomes painfully obvious to me.

I do not mean to say I can tell everything that happens but moreso I can sense any major change or lack thereof. I suppose that would be a prediction in the sense that I can see how the beginning of something will or will not alter the end.

any thoughts??

you should start investing on the stock market.

[Nico1e]

LIIs have Ni demonstrative function, which is four-dimensional, as strong as it can be, just as strong as the base function. It isn't a 'valued' function, so you're not putting it in the 'foreground.' It's a subconscious function in the background. They say that your demonstrative function really actually matters a lot to your life and that it's helpful to train it or feed it somehow. It will get stronger over time as you get older and learn from experience.

I know that I myself spent a while collecting logically coherent belief systems and remembering which authors believed what, in my areas of interest, and I suspect that is because of demonstrative Ti in the SLI.

Ni is associated with foresight, awareness of trends and how processes turn out over time, the birth and death of processes, the pathways that things take.

Everything that you described probably applies to the EII as well, since they too have Ni demonstrative.

http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...rted_intuition

" as a demonstrative (8th) function (LII and EII)

The individual is quite adept at following discussions on the developments of present trends into the future and at contributing to them on occasion if he feels so inclined, but he does not take that as seriously compared to investigating possibilities in the areas he is interested in at present. He usually dismisses supernatural claims as being silly, wishful thinking, unless they happen to be related to the very specific religion he feels inclined to believe in and which he may be inclined to make part of his leisure activities."

That description could use a lot more detail.

[Reuben]

chip, you're most likely EIE or IEI.

[pianosinger]

chip, you're most likely EIE or IEI.

I was thinking "Ne Ego" when I read the OP, actually. Being "often not surprised" seems to me a bi-product of being inclined to look at a situation or person from many different angles all at once and seeing every possibility that might come out of a certain action or event.

Even moreso I can instantly see the motivation and intentions of others in such a way that I can usually tell what their next move is going to be. I'm often not surprised by anything anymore. Once I have figured out a person's nature then their behaviour becomes a pattern that loops over and over.

Seems possibly more EII than LII, being people-oriented.

But, all Intuitors are going to be capable of both Ne and Ni, so it's difficult to know for sure.

[Reuben]

piano, Ni predicts outcomes, Ne see a relation of something to another, as well as essences. Ni is time as a stream, Ne is time in snap shots. Ni hence is responsible for predicting things, to put it in layman's terms.

No socionics nazi please don't get me for my lax definition.

[Sumer1an]

I'm not a prophet or psychic but I seem to have an uncanny ability to predict the general outcome of major events. It's not a psychic ability where I simply go by feel. In fact I can back up my predictions with a multitude of facts and noticing the general direction an event is heading toward. Even moreso I can instantly see the motivation and intentions of others in such a way that I can usually tell what their next move is going to be. I'm often not surprised by anything anymore. Once I have figured out a person's nature then their behaviour becomes a pattern that loops over and over.

Basically people are predictable to me in terms of relationships whether that be international relationships or romantic relationships or co-worker relationships. After spending time with someone I quickly grasp their limitations. Their general feelings may change but their objective behaviour becomes painfully obvious to me.

I do not mean to say I can tell everything that happens but moreso I can sense any major change or lack thereof. I suppose that would be a prediction in the sense that I can see how the beginning of something will or will not alter the end.

any thoughts??

I really think you are an ILI. Possibly IEI. If you were an LII you would probably ignore the aspects you are talking about but it doesnt sound like you do. You described EXACTLY how i feel about people I know. I dont even bother to say certain things or ask certain questions because I know exactly the general response I will get and with some people I can almost predict word for word what they are going to say. ILIs are good at forming a model for a persons behavior when they have gotten to know them. Im not saying you couldnt be any other type because you maybe but what you are describing sounds just like dom Ni paired with Te.

[Nico1e]

Yeah, after rereading this, I think it *does* sound like you are an ILI instead of an LII, as Sumerian said. Just something to consider.

[Reuben]

sigh. Ni is not the 'special function' of prediction. It is involved in prediction in tandem with other functions. Ni-PoLR doesn't mean you are bad in making predictions. Ni-Ego doesn't mean you are accurate in making predictions. But without Ni there is no concept of time. Once again, that doesn't mean that Ni-PoLR cannot read clocks, or that Ni-Ego are accurate to the second.

[EyeSeeCold]

What Arsal said.

Whether it is prediction or viewing the big picture, it isn't type related. Ni is NOT pattern-recognition nor prediction.


Every person, after getting to know another for a time will be able to predict them as you have mentioned. It has no relation to Ni at all. So yes, it is a tautology.

I'm quite irritated by the lauding of Ni as the "special" function of prediction and pattern recognition and that being Ni PoLR supposedly places me in a position where I am incapable of doing something so simple as what has been commonly attributed to Ni.

Ni and Ne actually end up receiving the same titles and special abilities, weird, because Si & Se do not get similar treatment, although Fi & Fe do, and Ti & Te to a lesser extent.

In Gulenko's terminology Ne receives the Latin title of Intueor and Ni receives the title of Tempus. Though one of my mental ideas of Ni is less about actual time, and more about hazy, event (re)construction. Which entails moving blocks of episodic data in a semi-linear, semi-stochastic manner, which would allow for dynamic mental modeling. From this, prediction is less about guessing from the unconscious, and more about the reasonable progression of events. Patterns are ominous, you have seen images and heard sounds before and if your current surroundings resemble the old environment, then you get the impression the same thing will happen again. How this relates to Introversion, I believe, is that although some data is external, most of the information required to engage in this processing comes from within and flows inward towards the intellect of the Self.

How Ne predicts and encompasses patterns, I am not sure, though as it relates to Extraversion, the process must be external and the Ne function in the Ne type should act merely as an antennae for Ne information. Perhaps the prediction is really just strong impulses of intangible information from the environment that points towards a general area of conclusion, and the patterns merely information that is received by the Ne antennae and is determined to be duplicate or of similar properties.



Ah, didn't intend to go off on a tangent, but I think it helped further my understanding.

[MisterNi]

In Gulenko's terminology Ne receives the Latin title of Intueor and Ni receives the title of Tempus. Though one of my mental ideas of Ni is less about actual time, and more about hazy, event (re)construction. Which entails moving blocks of episodic data in a semi-linear, semi-stochastic manner, which would allow for dynamic mental modeling. From this, prediction is less about guessing from the unconscious, and more about the reasonable progression of events. Patterns are ominous, you have seen images and heard sounds before and if your current surroundings resemble the old environment, then you get the impression the same thing will happen again. How this relates to Introversion, I believe, is that although some data is external, most of the information required to engage in this processing comes from within and flows inward towards the intellect of the Self.

Yes, Ne is the ability to interpret and perceive random patterns that occur external to the individual which is often termed as pattern recognition or "seeing the possibilities". However, since it is strictly perceiving it attaches no judgment or desire to come to a conclusion with the information. For Ne-leading types the information is further refined through Ti for ENTp and Fi for ENFp in which case a judgment or decision can be made with. Both Ne and Ni leading types are adept with this ability but it's only the Alphas and Deltas that can fully appreciate and value the process.


Ni leading found in INFp and INTp is, as I understand it, an ability with a "piercing foresight". Like for instance, lets say that one were to interpret random, disjointed information. Lets take an example of Ni in action:

1) Friends making ominious statements about someone in their life and a mutual friend.
2) The timeframes seem to match up to the possible event in question
3) The someone in their life begins to suddenly behave erratically or in a wildly different manner.
4) The mutual friend then suddenly begins avoiding one of the two.
5) The someone in their life then begins to make statements indicating of infidelity.
6) A sudden shift in emotional atmosphere between all people involved occurs.

Taking these seemingly random bits of information the man would conclude that their girlfriend/significant other/etc are cheating on them with a mutual friend and that it's best to break off relations with both traitors. That's Ni in action from an Ne-valuing type (ENTp to be more specific)

[anndelise]

chip,
Your post seems heavily focused on tracking things...events, people's moves, intentions, and interactions.
This suggests to me that you are more of a dynamic type than a static type.
Static types tend to focus more on what something is...rather than on predicting how something will go.

You said

Even moreso I can instantly see the motivation and intentions of others in such a way that I can usually tell what their next move is going to be.

This suggests to me Fe in the ego, which provides you with this kind of information. (be warned, your understandings are based on your own experiences, which may not match up with the actuallity of the situations)

Then you say you can 'back up your predictions with a multitutde of facts and noticing the general direction an event is heading toward.'
Which suggests to me possibly easily using Te or Ti as a backup system when needed for communication purposes. So maybe Te Role or Ti HA? I would actually think it would be more Te role though. Ti HA is mostly for the person themselves, to help them understand what it is that they are seeing, rather than as a means of 'support' or 'back up'.

Regarding the question in the thread title, you seem more focused on predictions than you are on seeing the big picture.
Focusing on "what is" is different than focusing on "what will be".

[mu4]

I don't think I'm terribly good at the timing of what I see will happen in the future, but I think I can see the possibilities of what might happen and build in flexibility to allow for adapting to those possibilities.

If I was less unfocused I probably could do more with this knowledge.

[Beautiful sky]

I'm not a prophet or psychic but I seem to have an uncanny ability to predict the general outcome of major events. It's not a psychic ability where I simply go by feel. In fact I can back up my predictions with a multitude of facts and noticing the general direction an event is heading toward. Even moreso I can instantly see the motivation and intentions of others in such a way that I can usually tell what their next move is going to be. I'm often not surprised by anything anymore. Once I have figured out a person's nature then their behaviour becomes a pattern that loops over and over.

Basically people are predictable to me in terms of relationships whether that be international relationships or romantic relationships or co-worker relationships. After spending time with someone I quickly grasp their limitations. Their general feelings may change but their objective behaviour becomes painfully obvious to me.

I do not mean to say I can tell everything that happens but moreso I can sense any major change or lack thereof. I suppose that would be a prediction in the sense that I can see how the beginning of something will or will not alter the end.

any thoughts??

This is related to Ni/Si combination.