Truth. I saw the same thing when I went to Africa. Most of U.S. culture is really twisted in its priorities.Originally Posted by jessica129
Truth. I saw the same thing when I went to Africa. Most of U.S. culture is really twisted in its priorities.
I know a lot of people who function better on medical marijuana. And to get back on point, my neighbor (who might be LII?) grows medical marijuana (makes very good money, too). Perhaps that could be a career for you, Jessica?Why would you do that??? you are a smart, gorgeous, capable person, Jessica129. do something meaningful with your life, dont waste it hiding in mind-altered incapacitation...
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“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
Wow thanks for the idea hahaI know a lot of people who function better on medical marijuana. And to get back on point, my neighbor (who might be LII?) grows medical marijuana (makes very good money, too). Perhaps that could be a career for you, Jessica?
Sounds great!Nutrition.
I thought about doing that too.
It just has too much chemistry for my tasteAre you going to become a dietitian or get into research as well?
EII, INFjIntuitive subtype (The Teacher)
6w5 Type Stacking: Sp/Sx/So
I aim to influence the world as much as possible.
Currently, I am finishing up my summer research project.
Whilst doing this I will be entering the final year of my undergraduate degree. I plan to pursue a Master's in the same discipline afterwards.
Ceci n'est pas une eii.
How so?
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
People have such interesting jobs! Awesome.
I am a social worker by profession, right now I direct a large program at a federal government agency. I have been in my field for 23 years...wouldmhave to say I love it even though I bitch about work all the time. It def is not boring!
April and workaholics...I have also noticed that work groups tend to become intra quadra dominant. Right now there are a number of alphas who are in my management group, so it's pretty comfortable at least for work. I have worked in gamma dominant places and got along ok. In my last job, it was a delta environment and I did not fit there at all, even though I did some of the best work of my career there. It was a relief to get out of that one. Didn't help that there was quite a close distance there.....and the Fi valuing sucked. Anyway you'd think that delta and alpha would get along pretty well at work but I did not find that to be the case.
The team I supervise is alpha and beta. A few deltas but overall more of an Fe crowd which is much better for me.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Coming out of the lurkers cove, I guess.
I'm getting my bachelors in electrical engineering. When I do get a job, it'd be awesome to get anything that deals with design/research/development. Probably something in signal processing, controls, or anything digital (I've had the most fun with those classes so far). I'm still not clear on what those fields actually entail, but its something to start with. Ideally, I'd be some sort of field engineer who gets to do some hands-on stuff with the projects, but if I had to, only designing is fine. As long as I get to see the end product.
I've been told that the path to make crazy money in engineering is to work your way into a decent sized to large company, work a bit, go back for an MBA, and then work management. $100k+ a year is then possible. But seriously, fuck all that mess. If I was in it only for the money I'd have gone into an easier engineering program than electrical, but they're all far too lame in comparisonI'd not want to work in management anyway. Seems like a bunch of tools, I hate managing people, and you no longer do actual engineering work.
Should for some reason I no longer want to do that...I'd probably go to a trade school for carpentry. Maybe become a mechanic, something where I work with my hands would be pretty entertaining. Maybe become a beer brewer and open my own small local bar (I'd have to look into it first though, pretty sure laws would add some extra pain to the process).
Since type seems to be important, I've self typed as SLI. Thought about ILE for a while...leaning more towards SLI. Delta seems chill.
to take what I said seriously, which I do, it's been a lot of calculating as to what is going on in the world and how I can enact the type of influence I want; do I just want "magnitude", no, I don't.How so?
I've tried to figure out what pressing issues are in the world, what limitations and possibilities are, and related things about humanity, human nature, etc.
So I've selected different ways to go about seeking employment, developing relationships, and going about my daily life.
The related "why" question is perhaps best answered by: Because it's the most entertaining thing for me to do, the most curious thing for me to pursue, and the most interesting way for me to test my abilities and interact with life.
Nothing, the Federal government takes care of me.Well I shouldn't say nothing, I volunteer on skid row in downtown LA.
EIE tritype 5w4, 4w5, 9w1
As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being.
Carl Jung, "Memories, Dreams, Reflections", 1962
Neat! I am also working on getting a BSc in EE, except I've specialized into nanoengineering.Coming out of the lurkers cove, I guess.
I'm getting my bachelors in electrical engineering. When I do get a job, it'd be awesome to get anything that deals with design/research/development. Probably something in signal processing, controls, or anything digital (I've had the most fun with those classes so far). I'm still not clear on what those fields actually entail, but its something to start with. Ideally, I'd be some sort of field engineer who gets to do some hands-on stuff with the projects, but if I had to, only designing is fine. As long as I get to see the end product.
I've been told that the path to make crazy money in engineering is to work your way into a decent sized to large company, work a bit, go back for an MBA, and then work management. $100k+ a year is then possible. But seriously, fuck all that mess. If I was in it only for the money I'd have gone into an easier engineering program than electrical, but they're all far too lame in comparison
Should for some reason I no longer want to do that...I'd probably go to a trade school for carpentry. Maybe become a mechanic, something where I work with my hands would be pretty entertaining. Maybe become a beer brewer and open my own small local bar (I'd have to look into it first though, pretty sure laws would add some extra pain to the process).
Since type seems to be important, I've self typed as SLI. Thought about ILE for a while...leaning more towards SLI. Delta seems chill.
Signal processing has a lot of applications in (digital) media processing, (analog) communications, (digital & analog) filters, (mostly analog) sensors and the like. Controls is used for the coordination of systems; so, for example, all technology that is dependent on certain inputs or conditions (think: robotics, power systems, your oven). Digital, well, that entails many things. But in the context of your preferences, they are all interrelated, though you better know your programming for signal processing!
If you prefer the field, chances are you will be performing more management-related roles or act more as a technician than an engineer (which is fine, of course). If you are interested in design, you should expect more of a(n) office/cubicle style environment --here you may analyze data and make improvements from there, or design a product given strict guidelines specified by the company. These are the experiences of my fellow BSc engineers. Lowest starting wage I am aware of is $50, 000 CAD + full benefits; (third year) co-op students started at a minimum $18/hour up to $34/hour with, of course, a pay raise during their term.
MSc/PhD engineers have a bit more freedom, and usually make up majority of R&D (research and development) focused companies. Even those in management position, if they wish it so, are heavily involved in the engineering of a product. In my summer research job, I was able to design and test the product that our group wanted to develop. In this sense, I got the best of both words: design and 'field' work, which was really research. I have been told that starting wages start at around $100k for MSc graduates in a well-established company. Keep in mind that, if you pursue a graduate level degree, your supervisor also likely has connections to the industry of your interest (sometimes even funded by them). So if you perform well, you stand a very good chance of getting a high-salary entry level job.
Some more information about the BSc/MBA combination. If you go this route, you may be thwarted to a management or marketing position. In fact, from personally hearing from individuals who chose this path, if you have shown potential/interest in these roles, the company is even willing to pay for your MBA degree. So this option may not even be as messy as you may think! Although, people who deliberately choose this path (that is, get a BSc/MBA on their own) are hardly interested in engineering itself, but rather the business aspect of it. Those who end up in marketing still have great interest in the engineering of a product, but are usually not involved in the process. Instead, they know the technical specifics, but only required to know so much so that they are able to promote the end result.
Anyway, I know you didn't really ask for it, but I hope this post helped.
Good luck to you.
Note: Sorry for the digression.
Ceci n'est pas une eii.
MBAs are the root of all evil. Seriously, they're the most useless degree ever (note: when I talk about "useless", I refer to the knowledge acquired by obtaining the degree, not its social value).
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
huh? working as research assistant or labtech has never paid very well, not until you get many years of experience and some specialization or manage to slave it out for 5-6 years on 20K to get a PhD and then actually land job with that newly minted PhD (unemployment is higher for chem PhDs than those with just BS/MS) ... this is definitely not the kind of work people do for money but out of interest - feels more stimulating and worthwhile than pushing papers in some cubicle
I think the entire chemistry community is rather tiny lol. But yeah I keep ordering stuff seemingly from the same 5 or 6 companies all of which should also have branches on the other side of the Pacific. So everywhere I've worked the equipment looks pretty standard, which is good imo, not need to reconfigure anything once you have figured out your preferred setup. I think only one place where I worked didn't come equipped like this, but that was because everyone else who was working there was with the biology department - I was the only chemist. But then my boss was like "we have too much money! you should buy stuff" and I was like "yes!" and so that place quickly got transformed into the same setup.
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word, CA is really great in that sense
the area where i live right now in particular seems to have a lot of people who follow that kind of lifestyle - homeless, students, hippies, people living in communes, etc. this must be the liberal/hippie enclave of united states lol, though i honestly can't say that i want to live my life like that
Yeah I was going to say--didn't sound like siuntal was in the corporate sphere of pharma.huh? working as research assistant or labtech has never paid very well, not until you get many years of experience and some specialization or manage to slave it out for 5-6 years on 20K to get a PhD and then actually land job with that newly minted PhD (unemployment is higher for chem PhDs than those with just BS/MS) ... this is definitely not the kind of work people do for money but out of interest - feels more stimulating and worthwhile than pushing papers in some cubicle
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
You sound like me.
The counseling route would be, so draining every day.I never looked into that seriously, but that did cross my mind as well.
It sounds like what your chosen career path is a great fit for you. I hope you do really well!
Yeah i see what you're saying.
I think that is a great idea to work in the field before you start research. You'll have experience working with real patients. It might also give you more fresh ideas than people that went straight to research.
EII, INFj
6w5 Type Stacking: Sp/Sx/So
Agreed.
Really...
I may be doing something similar.
What's the restaurant, if you don't mind. Y're in the ATL rite?Me: Also a restaurant, of course. A few people here know that already. I enjoy the job 'cause I get to run all over the place, talk with lots of people, and indirectly sorta keep everyone together and content (or at least as content as one could possibly be at work). It's not like other places where I've worked where everything is done sitting in front of a computer, poring over spreadsheets and databases and stuff 'til my legs go numb. At my current job, I rotate between six or seven spots, front and back (and road), so things never get too, too dangerously old.
Pluses
- Non-stop interaction with people.
- Non-stop observation of people.
- A new friend every few days.
- Single females.
Minuses
- Perpetual physical exhaustion.
- Burns. (And more burns.)
- Impossibly light wallet.
- "Single" females.
ILE (1) - Store Manager
SEI (4) - Line Cook, Servers (3)
ESE (6) - Store Manager, Bartender, Servers (2), Drivers (2)
LII (2) - Store Manager, Line Cook
LSI (3) - Store Manager, Kitchen Manager, Server
EIE (2) - Bartender, Hostess
SLE (2) - Store Manager, Kitchen Manager, Driver
IEI (4) - Line Cook, Server, Hostess, Driver
SEE (3) - Kitchen Manager, Bartender, Server
LIE (1) - District Manager
ESI (3) - Bartender, Prep Cook, Hostess
ILI (1) - Line Cook
IEE (1) - Me
EII (0) -
LSE (4) - Owner, Prep Cook, Drivers (2)
SLI (6) - Owner, Bartender, Line Cook, Prep Cook, Server, Driver
May I ask in what way? I am very curious.Really...
I may be doing something similar.
Ceci n'est pas une eii.
It's a lot better to get a degree that can actually help you get a job. And the thing about science degrees is that once you get a BS in science, you can transfer a lot of the essentials (Maths, etc) to other courses of study. It's also a good prep for ANY grad school, social sciences or natural sciences or law, etc.Right now I'm just starting college.
My mom is fully supporting me, so i can focus my energy on my academics.I'm probably going to graduate with a Biology degree and become a scientist. I am open to other career paths though since i sometimes second guess if i should be a scientist
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If I could start over I'd have done something like that.
What is that, like the stereotypical ESTJ old man advice. Lol.It's a lot better to get a degree that can actually help you get a job. And the thing about science degrees is that once you get a BS in science, you can transfer a lot of the essentials (Maths, etc) to other courses of study. It's also a good prep for ANY grad school, social sciences or natural sciences or law, etc.Right now I'm just starting college.
My mom is fully supporting me, so i can focus my energy on my academics.
If I could start over I'd have done something like that.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
YOURE DAMN RIGHT IT IS
Kids these days....
*shuffles unevenly towards living room*
*sits in large recliner*
*passes out*
It's also how I feel after looking at what my current job prospects are in regard to my education
Like i've told you before, you can go into medicine from any college background. Might need to take a few premed courses first if you havent already. excellent job security as there is a dire shortage of physicians. That's not bound to change anytime soon. Getting into med school is the hardest part (in the sense of being most unpredictable), depending on your stats.YOURE DAMN RIGHT IT IS
Kids these days....
*shuffles unevenly towards living room*
*sits in large recliner*
*passes out*
It's also how I feel after looking at what my current job prospects are in regard to my education
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Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Well my point is, u can't be functioning at 100% when ur mind-altered or craving it. Nobody is. So why waste yourself on such an unproductive thing?
And no, meaningful DEFINITELY does not equate to a boring 9-5 job that you hate. I think the problem is that the boredom of your current job has so grated on you that it's affected you profoundly, and that's why you're thinking of ways to escape.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
I don't remember you tellingme that particularly.Like i've told you before, you can go into medicine from any college background. Might need to take a few premed courses first if you havent already. excellent job security as there is a dire shortage of physicians. That's not bound to change anytime soon. Getting into med school is the hardest part (in the sense of being most unpredictable), depending on your stats.YOURE DAMN RIGHT IT IS
Kids these days....
*shuffles unevenly towards living room*
*sits in large recliner*
*passes out*
It's also how I feel after looking at what my current job prospects are in regard to my education
Medical field isn't my bag though. I leave it to people like youuuuu
People escape in all sorts of ways: reading fiction books, playing video games, online forums/chats, sleeping, drinking, eating, sex, prescription drugs, etc etc.
I wouldn't necessarily associate smoking weed with 'escape'.
Isn't it also a social thing? Like people who party with their friends may bond while drinking, or like smoke breaks where some smokers hang out and chat together?
Who's to say that the weed doesn't provide a beneficial effect that someone may seek prescription drugs for?
But then, I've never done illegal drugs, never wanted to. I'm sure there's alot of motivations and attractions to it that I'm not aware of.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
Nothing is existentially meaningful. We are all going to die sooner or later, and the heat-death of the universe means that whatever future we may want to build it will also die, sooner or later. So I don't think meaningfulness is the answer, but rather a mixture of enjoyment and long-lasting satisfaction.Well my point is, u can't be functioning at 100% when ur mind-altered or craving it. Nobody is. So why waste yourself on such an unproductive thing?
And no, meaningful DEFINITELY does not equate to a boring 9-5 job that you hate. I think the problem is that the boredom of your current job has so grated on you that it's affected you profoundly, and that's why you're thinking of ways to escape.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
My fav pizza place.. everything is just perfect. Beta run and operated tho.Very rite!(...Though, technically, I live and work OTP.)
Not quite the pinnacle of fine dining, to be fair; but if you're in the mood for California-style pizza (and a semi-classy-ish atmosphere) over VPN/NY/Chicago/Domino's, it's pretty solid.
FWIW, were I financially able, I'd eat nothing but by-the-book NY-style every single meal, each and every day 'til my gut burst; but I do nearly the same with this stuff and I'm still a fairly happy, well-rounded guy.
This sounds like a nice neighborhood place. Delta owners seems spot on.
Antico Pizza looks like a real italian pizzeria. All the others...bleurghhhh
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
I think personal meaning is largely hard to evaluate and often not worth contemplating, I rather be meaningful to someone else.
True good points.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
Thanks for the advice!It's a lot better to get a degree that can actually help you get a job. And the thing about science degrees is that once you get a BS in science, you can transfer a lot of the essentials (Maths, etc) to other courses of study. It's also a good prep for ANY grad school, social sciences or natural sciences or law, etc.Right now I'm just starting college.
My mom is fully supporting me, so i can focus my energy on my academics.
If I could start over I'd have done something like that.
I'll try to remember that when i declare my major. Would a biology degree be too general though? That is why i second guess a BS in biology. I thought of getting a degree in Clinical laboratory science. The problem i have is i can't stand the sight of blood, and i think I will have to deal with blood if i get into that field.
EII, INFj
6w5 Type Stacking: Sp/Sx/So
Bio engineering is big.
As WA said, so is the medical field. You should be able to find jobs there.
Check out the projected growth for job areas...
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos047.htm - if you want to get a job in the US.
Ann, sorry to hear this. Can I ask out of curiosity what was happening with your daughter, or is it too personal to say out in front of everyone?
I don't blame people if they have a hard time making enough money to get by. In fact I believe it's not our fault that it's so hard to do. The price of rent, and food, and gas, and everything, is too high. And jobs are not easily available for everyone. So we blame ourselves or other people blame us, but there are so many things we don't have control over.An interesting thread of which I especially enjoyed reading the post by Anndelise.
I'm not sure how honest I want to be in this thread and I'm probably not a Delta type but part of me would like to share my struggles in the area of money making and part of me would just like to gloss over the difficult parts and and share the positive.
Ok, tears are coming to my eyes so I won't share for now...
Am I hitting my own Polr somehow...? Probably
Last year the new High School counselor got so many questions and requests from my daughter's teachers, that finally the school psychologist was brought in to question everyone and try to find out what was going on. The diagnosis is moderate to severe autism. ...and she's vastly improved from when she was a baby!!
Noone thought to consider that because of her extrovertedness. And each time I sought help regarding her, the attention was directed at checking for bipolar and borderline behaviors, which runs in my family, both sides.
At the time she was conceived, I'd been going through what I refer to as 'the great cocktail experiment' in which the psychiatric students of the clinic my insurance would pay for were trying me on a variety of different drugs. I didn't know I was pregnant until I was 5 months along.
At about 7 months, I fell through the floor of the trailer I was renting. Intense pain, some blood, but I was going through some legal and financial stuff and didn't get to the dr for a checkup. At 8 months she was born. The contractions were cutting off her oxygen supply and they kept losing her vital signs. During all this, we discovered that that pain I had gone through was the sac separating from the uterus too early.
From day one she would have episodes of what looked like extreme pain, screaming, stiffened body, non-awareness of anything else, and very easily over-stimulated by even small sounds. She didn't like to be held. She had significant language delays. She wasn't stupid by any means. In fact, I had bought myself a puzzle similar to that traffic jam game. It used safari animals and jeep instead. She was 4yo. She liked animals and was interested in the game, so I showed her how to play, using the beginners one which was for age 8 up (the rest were for 12up, and the advanced for adult levels). She zipped through the levels until she got a few into the most advanced puzzles of the set. It took her four days. It was all she did. She even dreamed of the puzzle.
But she couldn't handle changes unless they were done by her initiative. She'd have a melt down if I altered my path in the store, or if I changed my hair style, or if her class was changing tasks, etc. Her teachers were having to rearrange their schedules and methods to reduce her melt-downs. And there IS a difference between a melt-down and throwing a fit!! She was...still is but not as severe...'rules based'. At almost 2 yo, we were moving to WA. I was driving. I had set up her seat and area so that when night came, and she slept, she could sleep safely laying down. So night came, she kept dozing, her head/neck jerking because she couldn't get into a sleeping position. So I pulled into a rest area, unbuckled her, layed her down, made sure she was safe, she cuddled into her toy dog, and fell asleep fast. Then I started the car, and started to pull out of the parking lot. She groggily woke up, and dragged herself back to her seat, and tried to buckle herself in. A few more attempts at trying to get her to lay down and sleep while I drove was futile. Even now, she refuses to go even 4 blocks without her seatbelt on.
Now, imagine this poor girl with a mother who's only consistency...is being inconsistent.
And imagine a mother who's inconsistent and (was) barely stable, single parenting a child who desperately needed consistency.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
Ah, the great cocktail experiment. If you want to see me explode and start shooting flames in all directions, then by all means, talk about the subject of drugs and what they do to people and their children. ... However, this has been a really great work-related thread so far and I've really enjoyed reading everyone's responses, so I will have to redirect the exploding flames elsewhere for now. Another time, another place, I'll get on the subject of drugs again.
(This is kind of a Fe-PoLR thing. If I go back and look again I'm sure I'll find some examples of people who work in drug-related industries, and if so, please try to ignore me.)
Eat, Sleep, Shit...you know...the usual.
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