IEIs-INFps: what do you want?

[tcaudilllg]

In a word, what is it? What does beta Ni want? How does beta Ni try to improve itself? What are you trying to become that you can better fulfill your social duties?

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I want to make love for about 4 hours a day with somebody. The other 2 or 3, I want to spend time my friends and fag hags. <3

And then I want to spend the rest of the day BEING LEFT ALONE so I can write stories and play video games and think to myself and recharge my introverted batteries.

[rat1]

I want to make love for about 4 hours a day with somebody. The other 2 or 3, I want to spend time my friends and fag hags. <3

And then I want to spend the rest of the day BEING LEFT ALONE so I can write stories and play video games and think to myself and recharge my introverted batteries.

^

I think I want to preserve a natural lifestyle & society in the modern world. The modern world is dehumanizing, it creates conflict and pain. It's a big machine which I enjoy throwing wrenches into. My aim is some minor liberation from the downward spiral of civilization. I refuse to compromise who I am for the modern world, so I end up behaving rebelliously. My name really describes me well. I feel like a caged animal, and I look at others the same way. I want people to express who they are without hesitation, to be unhindered; to be honest and to pursue their desires.

[Leader]

I want to make love for about 4 hours a day with somebody. The other 2 or 3, I want to spend time my friends and fag hags. <3

And then I want to spend the rest of the day BEING LEFT ALONE so I can write stories and play video games and think to myself and recharge my introverted batteries.

^

I think I want to preserve a natural lifestyle & society in the modern world. The modern world is dehumanizing, it creates conflict and pain. It's a big machine which I enjoy throwing wrenches into. My aim is some minor liberation from the downward spiral of civilization. I refuse to compromise who I am for the modern world, so I end up behaving rebelliously.My name really describes me well. I feel like a caged animal, and I look at others the same way. I want people to express who they are without hesitation, to be unhindered; to be honest and to pursue their desires.

....Damnit, I don't know if its placebo, but I love you already. I hold back everything, or at least try my best to, for the sake of not hurting others, its so hard. I need a IEI.

[Reuben]

@Agee

You don't need an IEI. You need to stand up on your own two feet, start developing interests, getting good at it, and then socializing with people who are good at it so that you get even better at it.

Don't think another person can fix your problems, because you'll just be disappointed. Create value for yourself, then you can create value for people, then the world becomes a better place.

[Leader]

@Agee

You don't need an IEI. You need to stand up on your own two feet, start developing interests, getting good at it, and then socializing with people who are good at it so that you get even better at it.

Don't think another person can fix your problems, because you'll just be disappointed. Create value for yourself, then you can create value for people, then the world becomes a better place.

....What I really want right now is someone to hold, somebody that understands me. What I want are those IEIs. I don't care about anything else. And what you just said is much easier said than done, although I do understand.

I feel like im in therapy...this is pathetic.

[tcaudilllg]

@Agee

You don't need an IEI. You need to stand up on your own two feet, start developing interests, getting good at it, and then socializing with people who are good at it so that you get even better at it.

Don't think another person can fix your problems, because you'll just be disappointed. Create value for yourself, then you can create value for people, then the world becomes a better place.

And this is exactly what people used to tell me.

And guys she's saying she wants the Fe, the overt demonstration of empathy and concern. She doesn't really want just any IEIs, probably... only those who have F EM.

I'll bet she crushed on Michael Jackson.

Now about what IEIs want... I think I've figured it. They want what beta Ni wants, and that is inclusion, which is important for the capacity to manipulate, interfere, and steer. As such they want UNLIMITED inclusion, and this is what SLE does for them by threat of aggression. "You have a right to be here", they dream of their spouse telling them, "and if anyone says anything about it, they will answer to me." Just imagine Donald Trump sitting down with a young IEI lass who is calmly detailing the hostility she has faced from other members of her group... it's not difficult. IEIs want guaranteed inclusion, so that they can engage in their subterfuge unmolested. A lot of them like to go too far with others' passions for them -- the Si EM valuing ones in particular think it great fun -- and when those they have toyed with start looking for escape (without leaving the confines of the group) it is an SLE whom they will look to to push out their victim. And if an SLE is not available, they will try to create the image of one in their lover, whose affection they have engaged in the romance games to cultivate.

[consentingadult]

I want to make love for about 4 hours a day with somebody. The other 2 or 3, I want to spend time my friends and fag hags. <3

And then I want to spend the rest of the day BEING LEFT ALONE so I can write stories and play video games and think to myself and recharge my introverted batteries.

^

I think I want to preserve a natural lifestyle & society in the modern world. The modern world is dehumanizing, it creates conflict and pain. It's a big machine which I enjoy throwing wrenches into. My aim is some minor liberation from the downward spiral of civilization. I refuse to compromise who I am for the modern world, so I end up behaving rebelliously. My name really describes me well. I feel like a caged animal, and I look at others the same way. I want people to express who they are without hesitation, to be unhindered; to be honest and to pursue their desires.

Study sociology for a year, it works very therapeutic and will give you the ammo to escape the downward spiral of civilization, without having to spend the amounts of energy absorbed by rebellious behavior.

[Taknamay]

Honestly? I think this will vary from person to person, even of the same sociotype. Even so, as an IEI I will answer these questions personally.

What does beta Ni want?

I want multiple things. I want fulfilling relationships, especially long-lasting friendships in my life. I also want to influence the people I meet in a positive way, and be seen by others as a kind person.

How does beta Ni try to improve itself?

I try to increase my understanding of others, even those who do not attempt to understand me. I also try to help those who wouldn't help me. To me, this is a part of being a better person. This might not have so much to do with sociotype, and more to do with personal convictions.

What are you trying to become that you can better fulfill your social duties?

I try to be a mediator in the personal issues of others. I feel that my duty socially is to make people get along as well as possible.

[Reuben]

@Chris

What's wrong with sounding that way

Anyway, you might have misunderstood me. I do believe now that we're actually on the same page; the fact that you can see people as not being enemies all the time in all contexts means that you are generally able to separate the essence in the person who deserves fighting against (e.g. the fact that the quarterback is playing for another team, me having a different form of idealism etc) from the person himself. That is essentially all that I'm saying

And yes, I am interested in understanding IEIs.

[silverchris9]

@Chris

What's wrong with sounding that way

Anyway, you might have misunderstood me. I do believe now that we're actually on the same page; the fact that you can see people as not being enemies all the time in all contexts means that you are generally able to separate the essence in the person who deserves fighting against (e.g. the fact that the quarterback is playing for another team, me having a different form of idealism etc) from the person himself. That is essentially all that I'm saying

And yes, I am interested in understanding IEIs.

Oh, okay. Glad we're on the same page. I could feel you trying to "teach" me something, and I was resisting it. But as it turns out, you just brought out a more nuanced and considered version of my actual viewpoint.

[Reuben]

@Chris

SO HAVE I SNAGGED YOU YET

Just kidding Do tell me more secrets of the IEI world... I must have more

[Taknamay]

Hey, I did think that sounded more like than .

Yep. In retrospect, it should have been pretty easy for me to figure out my sociotype. The only real reason I was confused was because I wasn't aware of the prominent disparity between Socionics and MBTI.

[Leader]

.....PLEASE help me......I really don't like doing this but I need help. It hurts so much, when you realize the one thing that stopped you from being happy is your ability to be such an incredible dumbass. Like...im just so...help me please. Long story short, me being as stupid as I am, I messed up on two separate occasions with two different girls who I think are INFp. I wouldn't even say I messed up, its worse than that. I didn't have the guts to really approach them out of fear of whatever and now I just can't stop thinking about them. Whats even worse is I probably will never see either one of them in my life again, all I can think about is how I messed up and how somebody else is taking them for themselves. I don't know if its just lust but I can't describe my feelings, there was something about them that just made me want to...

Since I don't feel like going there, what the fuck do you WANT?! What do you want me to do???

I feel like an asshole writing all of this, just know that in real life I would -NEVER- reveal something like this...its the internet.

[tcaudilllg]

.....PLEASE help me......I really don't like doing this but I need help. It hurts so much, when you realize the one thing that stopped you from being happy is your ability to be such an incredible dumbass. Like...im just so...help me please. Long story short, me being as stupid as I am, I messed up on two separate occasions with two different girls who I think are INFp. I wouldn't even say I messed up, its worse than that. I didn't have the guts to really approach them out of fear of whatever and now I just can't stop thinking about them. Whats even worse is I probably will never see either one of them in my life again, all I can think about is how I messed up and how somebody else is taking them for themselves. I don't know if its just lust but I can't describe my feelings, there was something about them that just made me want to...

Since I don't feel like going there, what the fuck do you WANT?! What do you want me to do???

I feel like an asshole writing all of this, just know that in real life I would -NEVER- reveal something like this...its the internet.

Agee I have had those same thoughts so many times. I'll bet you are an LII-IEI like me.

[IEI]

.....PLEASE help me......I really don't like doing this but I need help. It hurts so much, when you realize the one thing that stopped you from being happy is your ability to be such an incredible dumbass. Like...im just so...help me please. Long story short, me being as stupid as I am, I messed up on two separate occasions with two different girls who I think are INFp. I wouldn't even say I messed up, its worse than that. I didn't have the guts to really approach them out of fear of whatever and now I just can't stop thinking about them. Whats even worse is I probably will never see either one of them in my life again, all I can think about is how I messed up and how somebody else is taking them for themselves. I don't know if its just lust but I can't describe my feelings, there was something about them that just made me want to...

Since I don't feel like going there, what the fuck do you WANT?! What do you want me to do???

I feel like an asshole writing all of this, just know that in real life I would -NEVER- reveal something like this...its the internet.

Are you posting about a menage a trois?

[Leader]

No menage a trois. Im in college, on two different occasions, two different classes, two different girls. I messed up as in, I guess I didn't have the courage to talk to them fast enough or at all. Its not like I was scared, it was like they were calling out to me, waiting but I just didn't want to go because I was uncertain. I suppose if they were male, I would feel the same way, just not as intense. The first one, much later on in class I just decided to say something, it was one of those stupid rude jokes I do and she was walking away and smiled. I was too happy, but I think she tried to get my attention after that and I just acted like I didn't care, the same happened with the other girl. I act like they're not there because I don't know what to do and I don't want to fuck up. How I made the same mistake twice in a row baffles me.

[IEI]

No menage a trois. Im in college, on two different occasions, two different classes, two different girls. I messed up as in, I guess I didn't have the courage to talk to them fast enough or at all. Its not like I was scared, it was like they were calling out to me, waiting but I just didn't want to go because I was uncertain. I suppose if they were male, I would feel the same way, just not as intense. The first one, much later on in class I just decided to say something, it was one of those stupid rude jokes I do and she was walking away and smiled. I was too happy, but I think she tried to get my attention after that and I just acted like I didn't care, the same happened with the other girl. I act like they're not there because I don't know what to do and I don't want to fuck up. How I made the same mistake twice in a row baffles me.

ahhhh the ignore them and they will go away strategy

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

if you like an IEI, keep talking to them until they are comfortable, and make sure they know that you will protect them and they will be kept safe.

As crazedrat and myself point out, we don't like conflict (isfp lookalike) or somebody acting like 'they are all that', that is more of what an ESTj would do. I AM A NARCISSISTIC JEWISH DIRECTOR WITH A MEGAPHONE!!! IEIs just retreat from that shit. We are humanitarians, like INFjs are, and like to feel we are with somebody together.

Do not be too intellectual with us either. We hate that shit, because we are sooo fucking smart ourselves, and we won't fall for intellectual mindgames or somebody preaching us shit that we already know. Basically just exude physical and stable self-confidence. We are looking for one special thing to hold on to (romantic, Se dual-seeking), not for somebody to 'Push us.'

And we love to argue too honestly, as we know that every platitude somebody says depends on their physical environment. So while it's often true that you can only help yourself in life, that actually isn't true all the time. It depends on the circumstance. It in essence, depends on the Se.

[Reuben]

@Agee

Do you really need someone to love or are you projecting the need to love yourself on someone else?

Agee, you are clearly too mean to yourself. It is difficult to get good chicks with this kind of mindset and attitude. Firstly, if you can't love yourself, how the hell are you going to love another person? It's like you're loving on credit; you don't even have enough love in your bank to give it out. Eventually the need to repay the love loans you keep taking out from yourself will need to be paid up, and you'll demand it from whatever chick you're with. They'll be freaked out by your neediness and leave you. Hence, don't love others if you don't have the love for yourself to actually support it.

Secondly, you DON'T NEED IEIs. I'm going to be very harsh with this kind of attitude. GIVE UP SOCIONICS NOW YOU ARE TOO IMMATURE TO HANDLE IT. The moment you believe that there is only 1 type you need, you're overly obsessed with socionics. Interact with every type. Get to know every type. Furthermore, you probably aren't the type you think you are due to the current mental and emotional situation you are in now.

Thirdly, if you really want to love someone, IEI or not, seriously think about gaining material. Pick up skills, learn a trade, make money, be successful. IEIs come at VERY high price. Go ask Starfall, Glamo or whoever else. They don't come easy AT ALL. Love is not free. You need money to get good clothes to look good. You need money to book a fine restaurant. You need money to purchase a good car. Then enough money to take her shopping. And then maybe to rent a place after that ^^ Finally, all that should be less than 2% of your monthly cashflow so that you can spend the rest on things that really matter i.e. you(r future). Once you get into a relationship, you may increase that amount to up to 5% since you'll be seeing her more often.

Fourthly, I was in your position 2 years ago. I understand where you're coming from, and chances are, I was more pathetic then than you are now or will ever be. So don't pity yourself, and don't hate yourself either. Work on a goal, even if it's to get an IEI chick. Work on it. Make it a long term project. Oh, and there are more than 2 IEI chicks in the world. I'm sure you know that by now.

[rat1]

Just follow your instincts... INFps will give you resistance but it is a facade. Do not fall for it. Plow right through their resistance and act on instinct, if you dont know what to say then just say exactly what's on your mind.. you will succeed I guarantee it.

[GuavaDrunk]

In a word, what is it? What does beta Ni want? How does beta Ni try to improve itself? What are you trying to become that you can better fulfill your social duties?

Also, social duties = ew. I feel duty to specific people, including myself. I'm avoidant of duty to entities. Whatever I am trying to become is for myself and some people I care about, that I can enhance their life and mine.

Getting advantages from a social structure such as a government implies responsabilities towards that structure, due to a custom of reciprocity and sometimes exploitation thereof. That's about it for the social side.