Makeup or no Makeup?

[yellow82]

Ok guys, be honest. Do you like a woman better with the makeup on or without? What attracts you to a woman at first glance?

One thing I have been noticing of late is the fact that I attract just as many guys when I am not wearing makeup as when I am wearing makeup. . . it doesn't matter if I'm wearing sloppy jeans, my hair is wind-blown from riding shotgun and the makeup is no where in sight. On average I always get asked out about twice every time I go out shopping.

I say "hi" to a guy and ask him a question because something in his cart caught my eye, and next thing I know he's asking me out! It's rather annoying to me sometimes, because I've had guys follow me out into the parking lot going. . . "what about tomorrow for lunch? Tomorrow for diner? The day after tomorrow? The next day after that? Oh, I have tickets to see a game!" Etc. etc. etc. . . (I'm sure I'm not the only girl on this forum with this experience.)

But yeah, my point being, it doesn't seem to matter how nice I look, I seem to attract a million and one guys anyways. . . so yeah. What DOES attract a man enough to ask a girl out in the store?

I'm curious. . . because I have seriously looked BAD sometimes when asked out. . . I'm not even wearing contacts and I have my "nerdy" glasses on. . . it doesn't make sense to me. . .

[Galen]

Without. If you do wear any, then just something light. Heavy make-up just gives off the impression that you have a lot to hide from people, or that you have some sort of image to uphold. I find that when I see pics of celebrities "without make-up," there really isn't that drastic of a change to how attractive I find them. If anything they seem more authentic without it.

"A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts they will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely."

[woofwoofl]

"A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts they will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely."

[squark]

I say "hi" to a guy and ask him a question because something in his cart caught my eye, and next thing I know he's asking me out!

I think by striking up conversations with these guys, they see it as an opening, as though you might be interested in them. It's more likely the way you're going about it than anything else. You may be coming across as more flirtaceous than you realize.

I definitely don't have the problem you do, and I'm not ugly or anything, I'm just reserved. I don't go around making small talk with random guys wherever I go. It doesn't have anything to do with how much makeup you are or aren't wearing, it's more about your demeanor and perceived openness. IMO.

[yellow82]

I think by striking up conversations with these guys, they see it as an opening, as though you might be interested in them. It's more likely the way you're going about it than anything else. You may be coming across as more flirtaceous than you realize.

I definitely don't have the problem you do, and I'm not ugly or anything, I'm just reserved. I don't go around making small talk with random guys wherever I go. It doesn't have anything to do with how much makeup you are or aren't wearing, it's more about your demeanor and perceived openness. IMO.

Hmm. . . you're probably right. Although I totally never really thought about that. . . but a lot of my friends have told me that I tend to be really friendly and overly nice sometimes. . . but it's kind of me. So it's hard for me to stop being friendly because that's the way I am. . . kind of like how it takes a lot for LII to approach someone, it takes a lot for me not to approach someone. . . it's hard to explain. I just "do".

[yellow82]

Without. If you do wear any, then just something light. Heavy make-up just gives off the impression that you have a lot to hide from people, or that you have some sort of image to uphold. I find that when I see pics of celebrities "without make-up," there really isn't that drastic of a change to how attractive I find them. If anything they seem more authentic without it.

"A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts they will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely."

Yeah. I grew up like this. I don't think that I wore even a smidgeon of makeup until I was 16. . . and even now I dab a bit on here and there and then I'm finished in under five minutes. A little clear lip gloss, concealer, mascara, and blush and I'm out the door. Besides, a lot of makeup costs far too much. I'm the type of girl that goes for the makeup on sale for a buck, or the dollar tree cheapo stuff.

[DirectorAbbie]

On average I always get asked out about twice every time I go out shopping.

[Pa3s]

I usually prefer women without makeup.
I always think if a women doesn't look good without makeup, some brush strokes won't make it better. However, the natural look is actually something I like better in general. So no coloured nail polish either, please.

[Park]

I wanna make out without makeup.

Well okay, a little makeup doesn't hurt.

[yellow82]

Right. . . I think the "natural makeup" effect is what men like best. But, to make sure I'm right. . . here's some pictures of the different makeup "looks". . . vote on which one you like best.

(and yes, I'm only using blonds because it makes the comparing all the more easier. )

a.) No makeup



b.) Natural makeup



c.) Heavy/gaudy makeup

[Park]

b) is more like photoshop makeup, but anyways, it depends on the girl and what looks good on her. It also depends on the occasion. No reason to restrict on one type of makeup. Be random, be different, be unique, be yourself.

[MisterNi]

Right. . . I think the "natural makeup" effect is what men like best. But, to make sure I'm right. . . here's some pictures of the different makeup "looks". . . vote on which one you like best.

(and yes, I'm only using blonds because it makes the comparing all the more easier. )

a.) No makeup



b.) Natural makeup



c.) Heavy/gaudy makeup

Of those three, definitely A and B only. C looks sexy but it just seems too unnatural to me. The way I look at makeup is, it should be used to accentuate an already beautiful face.

[silverchris9]

There is a midline at which makeup is attractive. If you're wearing so much that it doesn't look like you, it's more of a turn-off than none at all. And there's something attractive about a 'just got out of bed and I'm still pretty damn hot' look, but obviously that only works if you're still pretty damn hot.

But between those two extremes, there's a way to apply makeup to make you look like yourself but slightly prettier. Many women on TV have mastered this (by which I mean many makeup artists have mastered this), and it is a fantastic thing.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I'm curious. . . because I have seriously looked BAD sometimes when asked out. . . I'm not even wearing contacts and I have my "nerdy" glasses on. . . it doesn't make sense to me. .

This is interesting to me. I'm not straight , but I actually prefer girls who look very pretty and maybe even almost preppy. Just really 'cute' and pretty and nice w/lots of make-up....

And I also prefer the nerdy woman look. Because it makes me think that we could have an interesting talk about anime or RPGs... maybe sailor moon idk. Like they might actually know what 'tanking' means.

I prefer either nerdy or preppy/pretty. But if a girl just looks 'too normal' I think she will be too judgmental for me not having a real job yet, so I sort of ignore her. Plus there's this insecurity and vulnerability that both pretty/nerdy girls have, that I think is attractive and approachable.

So yeah, being a nerd makes you approachable. So does being pretty. But being idk, too much in the middle....there might be this shield around you, that tells guys you don't want to be bothered. At least that's how it feels objectively. And men are very visual, and we make a lot of decisions based on how things appear (for better or for worse xP)

[DirectorAbbie]

there might be this shield around you, that tells guys you don't want to be bothered.

That's explanatory.

[EyeSeeCold]

I like lipstick on women, pink to highlight the attractiveness of their lips; red is the only other but it's too 'loud', generally. Not that it isn't attractive though.

I prefer natural looks besides that, unless women hide it well and I just think they're natural. Oh yeah I don't mind a drawn marking/mole.

Basically just don't over do it to where you're not you anymore.

[Beautiful sky]

I like lipstick on women, pink to highlight the attractiveness of their lips; red is the only other but it's too 'loud', generally. Not that it isn't attractive though.

I prefer natural looks besides that, unless women hide it well and I just think they're natural. Oh yeah I don't mind a drawn marking/mole.

Basically just don't over do it to where you're not you anymore.

You have this in common with my mom. I have a natural mole and it's dark; she admires it often, looking at it and touching it; she remembers all the ones I've had (some have either faded or have scabbed off) and she recounts them by asking me or telling me "you used to have one on your cheek as a teenager, honey; right here (pointing to my cheek)."

[pianosinger]

So, in my avatar pic I am not wearing any meakup. Is it obvious? Do I look "tired"?

Anyway, every time I've tried wearing makeup, it just feels weird. I don't like it. The way I figure, if people are always used to seeing me without makeup, they'll never give a second thought to it.

My mother-in-law, on the other hand, wears makeup and the times I've seen her without it (only in her own home) she looks entirely different-- older. I don't want people to be thinking that about me.

[FDG]

So, in my avatar pic I am not wearing any meakup. Is it obvious? Do I look "tired"?

Not really from my POV. But my gf never wears make-up either. In fact I tend to immediately notice when a girl-woman is wearing make up, her skin usually way too smooth (unless she has a natural thick-darker skin).

[sbbds]

So yeah, being a nerd makes you approachable. So does being pretty. But being idk, too much in the middle....there might be this shield around you, that tells guys you don't want to be bothered. At least that's how it feels objectively. And men are very visual, and we make a lot of decisions based on how things appear (for better or for worse xP)

This seems true IME too

they probably think “this normie wouldn’t want my d”

[bionic]

But yeah, my point being, it doesn't seem to matter how nice I look, I seem to attract a million and one guys anyways. . . so yeah. What DOES attract a man enough to ask a girl out in the store?

I'm curious. . . because I have seriously looked BAD sometimes when asked out. . . I'm not even wearing contacts and I have my "nerdy" glasses on. . . it doesn't make sense to me. . .

Do you dress like a slut on a daily basis? That usually attracts guys. Especially if your tits are popping out of your shirt or your skirt is too short to cover your vajayjay.

I suggest trying this look for experimentation purposes so you can see how many men you attract:

[Creepy-male]

I really don't care, use it or don't and I will tell you if I find you attractive.

That's my attitude...

now the entire issue of the "poor" woman having to use makeup to keep her image up in order to be accepted by men -- complete bullshit. The correct attitude to have is makeup is just a means of self-expression, either express yourself with it in whatever way you like or don't, it doesn't really matter. If men like you with it or not, that's their opinion. If being accepted by men is so important that you are willing apply makeup to yourself in a way that impresses them, then that's really your decision, so I don't see how that makes you a victim of anything but yourself.

[yellow82]

Do you dress like a slut on a daily basis? That usually attracts guys. Especially if your tits are popping out of your shirt or your skirt is too short to cover your vajayjay.

I suggest trying this look for experimentation purposes so you can see how many men you attract:

Wow. . . no.

I usually dress in a bright pink or red flowing dress, with dangling earrings and some heels that match. It's nice, but it only takes five minutes to put on. . . then I walk out the door. (Something like these: )







I don't consider any of the styles of these dresses "slutty" whatsoever.


I honestly rarely wear pants. . . so when I do, men have a tendency of staring at times. . . even though they aren't skin-tight. . . though it's only when they know me well and know that I rarely wear them.

[Suz]

But yeah, my point being, it doesn't seem to matter how nice I look, I seem to attract a million and one guys anyways. . . so yeah. What DOES attract a man enough to ask a girl out in the store?

I'm curious. . . because I have seriously looked BAD sometimes when asked out. . . I'm not even wearing contacts and I have my "nerdy" glasses on. . . it doesn't make sense to me. . .

Do you dress like a slut on a daily basis? That usually attracts guys. Especially if your tits are popping out of your shirt or your skirt is too short to cover your vajayjay.

Haha, this is exactly what i was going to ask after reading the OP! (well using more civilized terms but same idea).

But yellow82 since you answered that with "no" (and granted sometimes people are a little oblivious to how provocatively they might be dressed), it might be the way you carry yourself. Guys asking women out in the grocery store, at first sight, in my mind are honing in on a potentially easy target (even if you aren't, you might unintentionally be coming across that way), and if it's happening with such regularity (twice every time you go out in public!!) that is most likely why. Maybe you are giving them "come hither" stares without realizing it, for example.

I'm not saying you're not attractive, yellow82. I'm sure you are, but for example if your face and body language spoke "don't you dare!" or "i'm picky" or "I'm better than you" or "you gotta prove yourself" guys would not be approaching you, no matter how beautiful you might be. Not at first sight like that, with such ease.

I'm also not saying you should change that about yourself, because it's good to be approachable. Your duals need you to be approachable. My point is, just be cautious about guys asking you out like that. They might just be looking for a fling. It's more their problem than anything being wrong with you.

[yellow82]

Hmmm. . . you're probably right. I am just about the friendliest person you could ever care to meet (in person). Online, I tend to be a bit more opinionated. Muwhahaha.

I've always considered such small talk as simply friendly. If the guy doesn't mention going out, or getting my number, or seeing me again somewhere (and even that I don't always consider flirting), and we're just having a good time talking chit-chat I see no "flirting" in that at all. . . although some girls I know do.

It is a good thing for my duals. I'll often attract LII's. However, considering that my standards are high I usually turn most men I meet down.

My motto is "never go out with a man that is not on your level physically, mentally and spiritually."

And considering everything, the men that make it through my "screening" are extremely rare. . .

So while I may appear friendly/flirty, I have standards that must be met, and they're higher then most women that I know.

I will admit though, (guilty pleasure), I enjoy trying new ways of talking to men just to see their reactions. . . it's like conducting an experiment on human behavior. It's quite fascinating! There, that's my curious ENTp side coming out.

Haha. . . I in fact have an ENTp guy friend that helps me come up with the ideas! We conduct "experiments" on people all the time. . . don't worry, no humans we're ever harmed in our experiments, it was simply in the name of "curiosity". Kind of like Hodgens on Bones. . . gotta love that guy!

[07490]

It is a good thing for my duals. I'll often attract LII's. However, considering that my standards are high I usually turn most men I meet down.

My motto is "never go out with a man that is not on your level physically, mentally and spiritually."

And considering everything, the men that make it through my "screening" are extremely rare. . .

So while I may appear friendly/flirty, I have standards that must be met, and they're higher then most women that I know.

What is this "level" you speak of?

She only goes out with guys that have makeup

[Park]

It is a good thing for my duals. I'll often attract LII's. However, considering that my standards are high I usually turn most men I meet down.

My motto is "never go out with a man that is not on your level physically, mentally and spiritually."

And considering everything, the men that make it through my "screening" are extremely rare. . .

So while I may appear friendly/flirty, I have standards that must be met, and they're higher then most women that I know.

What is this "level" you speak of?

Yeah, could you give us your measurements?

What is this "level" you speak of?

She only goes out with guys that have makeup

[07490]

Yeah, could you give us your measurements?

5'10" and 36-29-34.

Can we still be friends anyway, Parkster?

CiLi, Parkster is 5'11 and 35-28-33.... He never goes out with a woman that is not on his level physically... you can fake it until you make it.. like you can put on some make up and high heels.

Even to be his friend you need to be at least equal to him. that means you have to grow one more inch to be his friend.

I mean... you can be my friend tho...

[Marie84]

I don't think most men understand make-up so when they say "I prefer natural" it's more "I want you to look good naturally", that is you must look flawless naturally or wear enough make-up to look naturally flawless but not so much that it's overtly noticeable.
Not that I blame them, people are after all programmed to be attracted to healthy looking fertile mates (and that's where make-up can be manipulative; let's just say I'm glad men can't "lie" like that )

On a similar note I think most women who wear heavy/complex make-up are doing it more for themselves and other women than to attract men. Just walking through downtown I come across a lot of young girls who do this and I can admire the creativity and detailed work that goes into some of their looks and if it makes them feel happy and self-confident, good on them

btw yellow I like your taste in fashion

[Park]

[yellow82]

btw yellow I like your taste in fashion

Awww. . . thanks.

[krieger]

makeup is a lot like socionics and economics. a tiny minority of people can use it improve their results and you're statistically probably not in it.

[MisterNi]

makeup is a lot like socionics and economics. a tiny minority of people can use it improve their results and you're statistically probably not in it.

What an and thing to say. Way to turn a thread about makeup into something about how clueless most people are.

[Gilly]

Hey Parkster

She's EIE

[Creepy-male]

makeup is a lot like socionics and economics. a tiny minority of people can use it improve their results and you're statistically probably not in it.

What an and thing to say. Way to turn a thread about makeup into something about how clueless most people are.

I kind of liked the quote.....

[olduser]

I think more important than makeup vs no makeup is whether the person has developed an aesthetic. I really appreciate a woman who puts effort into her appearance, likes clothes, shoes etc. There is no shame in looking good(who doesnt love a good atmosphere and attractive community) and woman who develops a full aesthetic will do her makeup just fine no matter the amount or type.

[Cat King Cole]

What an and thing to say. Way to turn a thread about makeup into something about how clueless most people are.

I kind of liked the quote.....

Likewise. Classic LII.

[MisterNi]

What an and thing to say. Way to turn a thread about makeup into something about how clueless most people are.

I kind of liked the quote.....

I kind of liked the quote.....

Likewise. Classic LII.

I did too. I was secretly laughing inside.

[ooo]

band's talk reflects well the spread misogyny of the world, girls be objects that need to be cute at all occasions to satisfy a man's gaze.

girls, women look absolutely ok, normal, they are who they are, without makeup, yet they need to be pimped up all the time to be labeled "nice", it's not uncommon to think like this because it's literally what we're bombarded with, and beauty too is not just an innate thing but built by behaviors and social standards too... so yes, we live in a male chauvinist world, sad.

[qaz00]

band's talk reflects well the spread misogyny of the world, girls be objects that need to be cute at all occasions to satisfy a man's gaze.

girls, women look absolutely ok, normal, they are who they are, without makeup, yet they need to be pimped up all the time to be labeled "nice", it's not uncommon to think like this because it's literally what we're bombarded with, and beauty too is not just an innate thing but built by behaviors and social standards too... so yes, we live in a male chauvinist world, sad.

I agree that there's a cultural pressure to wear makeup but I wouldn't blame men. I've seen more opinions from them that women spend too much time perfecting their look or using too strong makeup than the other way around. More probable reasons are advertising, competition and image promoted by media. All these cosmetics ads, women-oriented sites that focus on showing latest trends in fashion, discussions on forums for women about how to improve your look. It makes women think that they're bad at being a woman if they don't follow these popular trends. They get interested in this topic and continue the trend, passing it to next generations. There are no men in this process.

Aesthetically I like either subtle makeup on women or not at all. Many of them put too much on their face and it looks like a mask, like something artificial and not a real person, it's unattractive for me. I also doubt all these chemicals are good for skin. I like people who don't waste their time and money to fit in some dumb trends and only do what's truly good for them or what they enjoy. I doubt any woman would say "I like that feeling when an epilator removes my hair, I prefer it over watching a movie, I can't wait for my hair to grow back so I can repeat it!". My message to everyone is: please do what you like, be an individual who doesn't follow everything mindlessly like a sheep, there are people who really appreciate it.