ESFps: Fe-demonstrative and Fi social self-indulgence

[DividedsGhost]

Do other ILIs find most SEEs to be extremely annoying with their demonstrative function? Like having them pick their nose at dinner or make stupid imitations that make you feel a sudden urge to want to kill something just because they know they can and will get away with it? Or use their Fi more as a social self-indulgent purpose rather than an ethical one?

I don't think I like SEEs that much...but I'm damn sure at this point that I'm a god damn misanthropic ILI. Is this common or am I really that confused about my type that it probably isn't reasonable to assume I really have a type, despite being able to type other people with good accuracy?

[EyeSeeCold]

The SEEs I know are more personal and affectionate in one-on-one situations. When they are annoying in a 'quasi Base Fe' loud and obnoxious manner, it's usually blatant mockery used for maintaining/manipulating the social situation. From what I've observed they don't take themselves seriously during that period.

Don't know what you're talking about - picking noses. They do love to make fun of and/or with people's behavior though.

[pianosinger]

The SEEs I know are more personal and affectionate in one-on-one situations. When they are annoying in a 'quasi Base Fe' loud and obnoxious manner, it's usually blatant mockery used for maintaining/manipulating the social situation. From what I've observed they don't take themselves seriously during that period.

This is my sister. When I'm around her, we can both get like like this-- but her slightly moreso, I think. We just get really silly around each other, but we never take any of it seriously. I don't really have any other friend or family member who can bring out my Fe like my SEE sister can.

[woofwoofl]

I don't think I like SEEs that much...

Fuck you too, asshole!


And yep, you nailed it on the imitations; I do that all the time! Last time at a friend's, I did Hank Hill, a hipster girl I know (sounded too much like that lead girl in the fashion club on Daria, but what the hell, it worked), a ton of other people...

I don't pick my nose, unless I'm imitating someone else picking their nose, and that only happened a few times (the dude was drilling away at his nose and eating it, I pretty much had to)...

You do come off to me as more IEI than ILI; for one, this whole boo-hoo-ing about "getting away with it" sounds / as all hell, and I know an unsettled Beta NF when I see one...

[Cat King Cole]

Misanthropy isn't type-related. It's other people's idiocy-related. e.g. I'm a misanthropic Alpha SF.

[Jenna]

Misanthropy isn't type-related. It's other people's idiocy-related. e.g. I'm a misanthropic Alpha SF.

Aww, *HUGS*

[Cat King Cole]

I don't need hugs, I have my own arrogance and contempt to keep me happy. But thanks.

[NewBorn STAR]

I don't need hugs, I have my own arrogance and contempt to keep me happy. But thanks.

lol

[Beautiful sky]

I don't need hugs, I have my own arrogance and contempt to keep me happy. But thanks.

LOL but, it would be easier to say that you're not codependent on relationships for a sense of security, as Fi types are.

[DividedsGhost]

I don't think I like SEEs that much...

Fuck you too, asshole!


And yep, you nailed it on the imitations; I do that all the time! Last time at a friend's, I did Hank Hill, a hipster girl I know (sounded too much like that lead girl in the fashion club on Daria, but what the hell, it worked), a ton of other people...

But this is what I like about them. I can be frank and you don't take it personally. This is the good part. It' socially relaxing.

I don't pick my nose, unless I'm imitating someone else picking their nose, and that only happened a few times (the dude was drilling away at his nose and eating it, I pretty much had to)...

lol

You do come off to me as more IEI than ILI; for one, this whole boo-hoo-ing about "getting away with it" sounds / as all hell, and I know an unsettled Beta NF when I see one...

eh...I don't know. There's a high probability that I have Aspergers. I think that's just the result of my insecurity in dealing with people and dog-eat-dog world bullshit. I swear to god it's like people intentionally refuse to make sense. Politics is the worst. People use those stupid philosophical terms (democrate, republican, socialist, etc.) to decide whether or not someone knows what they are talking about or is an enemy or that everything they do or will do is part of only whatever political philosophy is assigned to them. Except none of these politica terms actually exist in any concrete form or as any kind of separable scenarios to reality. The nuclear family is an almost epitome of the idea of socialism, for example, but you would never get a devote and proudly recognized person of capitalist designation admitting that...

Do you really think you can have any kind of certainty over my type without actually seeing my behavior in person? I'm even willing to bet Ashton is quite docile in person, despite his persona to act more like an SLE here.

Misanthropy isn't type-related. It's other people's idiocy-related. e.g. I'm a misanthropic Alpha SF.

True, but the dialectical-algorithmic style of thinking definitely seems to have more of a proclivity to it, in my experience.

[717495]

That's just acting more like an / extrovert, or more specifically LIE, not an SLE. Though there is a difference in subtype.

[Chae]

as per the theory, isn't the non-valued, subconscious demonstrative function something the 4D partner unknowingly shields the dual (1D, PoLR) from, so that they actually won't be annoyed?

SEE is excellent at Fe. But! They just show their emotionally charged antics casually, and save ILI from the embarrassment of not being as expressive as their environment.

as in, ILI is out there, killing the mood, in comes SEE causing a ruckus to distract from the awkward moment all while waking up the ILI through their combative , something like that.

because the demonstrative is something SEE strings along and doesn't care about, ILI doesn't even notice, but it helps their social reputation from the outside.

just like e.g. SLE will protect IEI from losing grip on matter of fact details through demonstrative , but they deliver it through their systemic analysis and prescribed rules, . it's filtered through the creative function. that's why duality lacks the friction of conflict relations.