I think I might be an enneagram type 7 - Morcheeba's type

[Morcheeba]

I only say this because I relate to the description of an unhealthy 7, how that can manifest as being highly introspective like a 4, can anyone help me out to determine if in fact I am?

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I don't know if you should take what people say here too much to heart. I suppose this includes myself, but I'm still being kinda intellectually arrogant because I don't agree that you even are a 4. =p

I always disagreed that you were a 4, and thought you were much more like a 5. I always thought, like I said before, other people pegged you as a 4 because of your stereotypical female-like compassion or something. It's a generic type a lot of people get lumped into.

I see the 8 integration a lot more than I see you integrating to 1, but mehhh I guess it's up to you. It's like 'Just because somebody is empathetic and compassionate doesn't mean they are a fucking 4. Everybody should ideally be that way.'

Have you personally blossomed by being more assertive, or by being more morally objective? I see the former a lot more than the latter. Even though being more morally objective is helpful for anybody on the planet, it's about what makes your own individual soul/psyche skyrocket. Somebody like Nick would personally grow by being more morally objective. Somebody like you... (a 5 imo) would grow more by being assertive and challenging/'pushy.'

[Azeroffs]

integration/disintegration isn't the best way to figure out etype.

5 just seems silly for her.

[Morcheeba]

I don't know if you should take what people say here too much to heart. I suppose this includes myself, but I'm still being kinda intellectually arrogant because I don't agree that you even are a 4. =p

I always disagreed that you were a 4, and thought you were much more like a 5. I always thought, like I said before, other people pegged you as a 4 because of your stereotypical female-like compassion or something. It's a generic type a lot of people get lumped into.

I see the 8 integration a lot more than I see you integrating to 1, but mehhh I guess it's up to you. It's like 'Just because somebody is empathetic and compassionate doesn't mean they are a fucking 4. Everybody should ideally be that way.'

Have you personally blossomed by being more assertive, or by being more morally objective? I see the former a lot more than the latter. Even though being more morally objective is helpful for anybody on the planet, it's about what makes your own individual soul/psyche skyrocket. Somebody like Nick would personally grow by being more morally objective. Somebody like you... (a 5 imo) would grow more by being assertive and challenging/'pushy.'

I guess integration towards an 8 sounds more ideal, but again this could be HA. I think the HA for me in some part has to do with my sense of being weak in some way and trying to appear more assertive, grounded and tough in a sense. I'm on the fence as far as my etype could be.

[GuavaDrunk]

Well then, put it this way: deep down, deep deep down past all the facades and the walls, what hurts the most? What brings you to tears (or far-reaching pain)? What, when brought up to attention, makes the biggest hole in your heart? Not feeling your own worth, not feeling worthy of being human (or some variation thereof)? Or the fear of having to stop experiencing, stop searching and running, and facing the pain inside, the fear of facing pain?

No need to report results, just think about it honestly.

Hope this helps.

[Morcheeba]

I don't know why I question my type, I took the test like 10 times today lol, everytime it says I'm a 4w5. I'm just too weird and self absorbed to be a 7.

[Azeroffs]

have you ever seriously considered 3?
they can be similar to 7s and 4s.

[GuavaDrunk]

I don't know why I question my type, I took the test like 10 times today lol, everytime it says I'm a 4w5. I'm just too weird and self absorbed to be a 7.

I wouldn't recommend tests but self-knowledge. Then you gain in the process, even if you don't come to a conclusion. Might just be me though.

[Morcheeba]

I don't know if you should take what people say here too much to heart. I suppose this includes myself, but I'm still being kinda intellectually arrogant because I don't agree that you even are a 4. =p

I always disagreed that you were a 4, and thought you were much more like a 5. I always thought, like I said before, other people pegged you as a 4 because of your stereotypical female-like compassion or something. It's a generic type a lot of people get lumped into.

I see the 8 integration a lot more than I see you integrating to 1, but mehhh I guess it's up to you. It's like 'Just because somebody is empathetic and compassionate doesn't mean they are a fucking 4. Everybody should ideally be that way.'

Have you personally blossomed by being more assertive, or by being more morally objective? I see the former a lot more than the latter. Even though being more morally objective is helpful for anybody on the planet, it's about what makes your own individual soul/psyche skyrocket. Somebody like Nick would personally grow by being more morally objective. Somebody like you... (a 5 imo) would grow more by being assertive and challenging/'pushy.'

Ok, now I see your point, I am part of the power seeking triad for sure now that I did more research. If the type compatibilities are true then five makes more sense then 4, given the fact that my relations with a 2 in my life have been the most volatile of them all.

[Morcheeba]

Idk if that link was very useful, I relate to the reactive group, but again this could be associated with an unhealthy 7 I would assume.

[GuavaDrunk]

The above website also has a very complete source on levels of health: http://www.fitzel.ca/enneagram/levels.html

These may help:

http://www.9types.com/descr/?type=7&book=palmer3

http://www.ocean-moonshine.net/e1428...position=34:34

http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/TypeSeven.asp

http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/7growth.asp

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[Morcheeba]

The first link was very helpful, I'm still a 4.

[GuavaDrunk]

Haha, another one brainwashed to the fold.

[Morcheeba]

Haha, another one brainwashed to the fold.

huh???