Bad relations with your dual, good relations with your conflict

[Jonathan]

This thread is inspired by the notorious "I'm An ESE!" thread, but I don't dare post there. I tried a few times, but hadn't really read the thread carefully before posting, so my comments came out all wrong, plus I don't feel I belong in that thread anyway.

But here's the issue: So you have an EIE and an LSI fighting, and it seems very bad. But the EIE recognizes the duality.

So here's the question: Have you experienced what you feel is duality with someone you loathe? What's it like, and what about it did you recognize as duality?

And to expand on this, have you ever experienced a conflict relation that was totally awesome? What was that like, and what made it feel like conflict even though it was so great?

[ScarlettLux]

I'm sorry but one last thing -- either he's not an LSI or I'm SEE. That's it. I refuse to acknowledge his existence. Seriously, you should delete or rename this thread.

[Sumer1an]

I'm sorry but one last thing -- either he's not an LSI or I'm SEE. That's it. I refuse to acknowledge his existence. Seriously, you should delete or rename this thread.

That seems like an ignorant response. Your duals aren't always going to be friendly to you.... and you are acknowledging his existence just by posting that comment. just sayin.

[krieger]

top level traits are what really determines compatibility. socionics type is just about stylistic details and a minor sense of awkwardness in the case of conflict.

[xerx]

top level traits are what really determines compatibility. socionics type is just about stylistic details and a minor sense of awkwardness in the case of conflict.

what are top-level traits?

[discojoe]

Yeah, Google ain't telling.

[ScarlettLux]

I'm sorry but one last thing -- either he's not an LSI or I'm SEE. That's it. I refuse to acknowledge his existence. Seriously, you should delete or rename this thread.

That seems like an ignorant response. Your duals aren't always going to be friendly to you.... and you are acknowledging his existence just by posting that comment. just sayin.

i'm being facetious really.

i think it's merely a matter of him just not being a nice person. being nice and having empathy/sympathy -- that's a top level trait imo

[Sumer1an]

That seems like an ignorant response. Your duals aren't always going to be friendly to you.... and you are acknowledging his existence just by posting that comment. just sayin.

i'm being facetious really.

i think it's merely a matter of him just not being a nice person. being nice and having empathy/sympathy -- that's a top level trait imo

Ah... ok I see. Its whatever really. Not a big deal.

[Suz]

I am currently in "enemy" status with a dual. I think we both recognized the duality, but just did things to hurt each other from a distance without really any way to reconcile things. Despite that I always think fondly of him, and I do love him--I wish we could be friends at this point, and i've mentioned this in an email to him, but i guess he didn't feel the same way because he never responded. Maybe he needs in person communication, but we live in different cities now so that's not practically feasible. Or maybe he hasn't forgiven me yet. The minute he shows me he wants to be friends again, I'm there.

Interrelating with the conflictors i know of hasn't been a BAD BAD interaction per se, but more like you're communicating in foreign languages to each other and bringing up topics the other is uncomfortable with, and just not being able to bring the psychological distance closer than acquaintance, really.

[The Ineffable]

@Jonathan: the OP makes the assumption that Discojoe is a Beta, but have you typed him before? He was never a LSI, read his posts then read the descriptions, it makes absolutely no sense.

He's dramatic, provocative, everything he says, he says on a whim, just to begin with. (first hint: Ethical Extrovert) He gets angry everytime someone attempts to demonstrate the logical impossibility or inconsistency of what he says, like here. (second hint: Ti-PoLR) He knows only one thing: he wants things his way, regardless of their logical impossibility. He's bitching all the time, often writes with CAPS, has no apparent constructive purpose in anything he says and rarely someone takes him seriously. Doesn't mess with logical people and never enters serious details in discussions, but he likes to stir drama and picks on emotionally reactive users who can be provoked (besides ScarlettLux, he also freaked out sarinana (1), another EIE - only from what I know). He enjoys posting controversial issues - racist, misogynistic, political - things he doesn't take seriously, but to obtain emotional reactions from others.
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(1) - please note a twin locked thread of the ESE one, similar procedure, this is not an isolated case.

[discojoe]

That seems like an ignorant response. Your duals aren't always going to be friendly to you.... and you are acknowledging his existence just by posting that comment. just sayin.

i'm being facetious really.

i think it's merely a matter of him just not being a nice person. being nice and having empathy/sympathy -- that's a top level trait imo

You're mean.

[discojoe]

I'm sorry but one last thing -- either he's not an LSI or I'm SEE. That's it. I refuse to acknowledge his existence. Seriously, you should delete or rename this thread.

I think you're overreacting.

[silke]

So here's the question: Have you experienced what you feel is duality with someone you loathe? What's it like, and what about it did you recognize as duality?

Yes. I've met a girl years ago that I believe was Ti-SLE who was almost sociopathic in nature. She had the propensity to stir up shit just for the sake of it, had been caught lying multiple times but had no regrets over it or that her lies have really hurt several other individuals. I really disliked her though she was my dual. Another person who had an uncanny ability to get under my skin and make me infuriated was also a Ti-creative. I do believe that people who share functions in common can influence each other more strongly but this doesn't always lead to positive relations.

And to expand on this, have you ever experienced a conflict relation that was totally awesome?

Awesome no, but generally amiable yes.

What was that like, and what made it feel like conflict even though it was so great?

It did not feel like conflict, only that socionics prescribed these relations to be conflicting. We never actually sparred or insulted one another and managed to work side-by-side just fine, though we never had to collaborate very closely.

These experiences are the reason why I try to not rely on my sentiments toward a person when typing them. I do consider them to be one of factors helpful in determining socio-type, but by far not a defining one.

[woofwoofl]

I played Magic: the Gathering in local tournaments (Type 1 usually), and there were LIIs everywhere, and we got along great! We also did Dungeons & Dragons lots... aaahh I miss that thing of people... might do a thing somewhere again!

 

I usually played these black discard decks with cards that ripped someone's entire hand out, blew up the entire board at times - forceful, railroading, anti-intellectual-on-the-surface beast of a play strategy that got me a consistent 2nd place there (which meant booster packs, and therefore, money), as well as the ire, respect, and fanboyism of lots of people there... had a little posse of dudes (sometimes just me and the LSE) who went at it in my style, I made them really good deals so we could get each others' backs and take the whole place by force!

The LIIs weren't part of any of that, but we got on pretty good, and we held each other in high regard, though we confused each other lots - it was the ILEs, if I remember right as far as people go, who hated my methods

[DirectorAbbie]

[spoiler=NERRRRRDDDD]I usually played these black discard decks with cards that ripped someone's entire hand out, blew up the entire board at times - forceful, railroading, anti-intellectual-on-the-surface beast of a play strategy that got me a consistent 2nd place there (which meant booster packs, and therefore, money), as well as the ire, respect, and fanboyism of lots of people there... had a little posse of dudes (sometimes just me and the LSE) who went at it in my style, I made them really good deals so we could get each others' backs and take the whole place by force!

The LIIs weren't part of any of that, but we got on pretty good, and we held each other in high regard, though we confused each other lots - it was the ILEs, if I remember right as far as people go, who hated my methods

I never played that particular game, but I'm sure my style would be about as intellectual as yours.

[Absurd]

I played Magic: the Gathering in local tournaments

Tinychat the Gathering.

YOU UGLY BULLHEADED CANCER FREAK LOOKING LONER PIECE OF SHIT

Haha!

YOU PISS OFF MANY PEOPLE AND MANY PEOPLE HATE YOU FOR IT.

Hate is great, believe me.

DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE

Click

[Aleksei]

So here's the question: Have you experienced what you feel is duality with someone you loathe?

A number of times, but the conflict was entirely ideological.

And to expand on this, have you ever experienced a conflict relation that was totally awesome?

Not really. SLIs are excruciatingly boring.