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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyst Trevor View Post
    I wonder which type is evolutionary older. Rationals? Irrationals? Neither?
    I would associate Rationality with improved regulation from the prefrontal cortex. It could equally be some other source of motivation to "correct" the world, i.e. other people, things, and the Rational themselves.
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    The two are complementary and have an particular way to do things and the relevance of this thread make me doubt author is INTp.
    Notice too that you have strong judger, weak one, ect... Depend probably of many things, more than type.

    EII I know for example, you can make them move if you light just a bit motivation onto them, other seem always to be more concentrated on a thing wich apparently make them always happy, so they dont give a fuck about being in move, ect...

    ESTJ are often more hard to get to move on spontaneous things

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    i don't find that the stereotype interpretation of J ever very well applies to me.

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    I'm definitely more P in the MBTI sense, with some J characteristics: more mentally than externally. But it's easy to tell I'm different compared to irrationals, just by looking at behavior.

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    Some rational attitude plan; I know LSE make and keep plans and ESE role out Te so they like others to move with plans, but I'm very very flexible with my schedule. J has to do with how rational types tend to make concepts out of things, how they tend to define (give meaning to everything around them) mostly, I think to try to fit things into understanding of them rather than looking at them and experiencing them for what they are. They fit the coincidence of life into defined boxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardia View Post
    When I have something planned I think I unconsciously prepare for it. So when plans are canceled it is a disappointment or when asked to do something I wasn't expecting I may not feel like doing it because I wasn't storing energy or thinking about it.
    I relate to this as well. Though I'm less likely to resist canceling of plans than spontaneous activity. A canceled activity, especially if it's potentially uncomfortable, leaves room for other, more comfortable things. And since I've stored up energy already, I can either expend it doing something else or save it for later.

    Not that this helps the conversation any, but I fit the "judging" description Jarno put in the OP. In my personal life and activities I almost always prefer advance notice when I need to do something, whether that's preparing for a guest or going out to do something. And I'm discovering the same is true in my professional work. For example, I try to get my clients to tell me at least two weeks in advance when they need me to get something done for them. I respond very slowly when people spring something on me. I need a certain amount of time to get myself in gear and settle things in my mind.

    That's not to say I can't be spontaneous. It does happen occasionally, lol. It's just I'm more likely to easily switch directions if I'm already in a "going" or "energy output" mode. If someone urgently needs something from me right away, I'll usually do as much as I can to help them asap regardless of advance notice, though I'm usually more efficient when I know what I'm doing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Some rational attitude plan; I know LSE make and keep plans and ESE role out Te so they like others to move with plans, but I'm very very flexible with my schedule. J has to do with how rational types tend to make concepts out of things, how they tend to define (give meaning to everything around them) mostly, I think to try to fit things into understanding of them rather than looking at them and experiencing them for what they are. They fit the coincidence of life into defined boxes.
    I tend to agree with the above. It's because the 1st function is a judging IE (and "judging" is a confusing translation, I think, arousing various strong cultural connotations). The 1st function is the natural one, the one you live by. So from a theoretical standpoint, what Maritsa says here is sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noid View Post
    The two are complementary and have an particular way to do things and the relevance of this thread make me doubt author is INTp.
    good to know you are not competent at typing.

    btw rational and irrational isn't complementary, they are opposites. Duals are complementary and share same rationality.

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