Socionics and Psychological Disorders

[Raver]

I'm sure this has been done before, but it's interesting to think about anyways. Let's match which personalities are more likely to have a psychological disorder. I'll try to bring up my own ideas, but you guys can put your own as well. I know some of you will think this shouldn't be correlated with type, but I'm sure some types are more likely to get it. That doesn't mean that only that certain type can get it. 25% of people have personality disorders so I think it's worth talking about.


Narcissistic Personality Disorder - LIE, ILE

Borderline Personality Disorder - SEE, ESE

Social Anxiety Disorder - IEE, IEI

Bipolar disorder - IEE, SEE

Antisocial Personality Disorder - SLE, SLI

Histrionic Personality Disorder - IEE, SEE

Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder - ESE, LSE

Schizoid personality disorder - ILI, LII

Schizotypal personality disorder - ILI, IEI

Dependent personality disorder - ???

Avoidant personality disorder - ???

Paranoid personality disorder - LSI, ESI


A lot of these are just guesses, so please don't take them to heart. If you have an idea of what fits better, feel free to post.

[Beautiful sky]

Bipolar would also be associated to EII (inward flow of emotions in any chaotic disorder of it may result in serious psychological consequences) Fi related, I assume.
Narcissistic to LSE (those who love to be and have control)
OCD would be to SEI and SLI
Paranoid would be to SLE and LSI; SEE as well; mostly in association with Se.
Antisocial would go to ESE and LSE as well as some SLI

[Crispy]

http://www.ptypes.com

Alpha
ENTp
Personality Disorder: Compensatory Narcissistic
Basic Belief: I must attain a position of distinction or merit.
Strategy: Pretension.
ISFp
Personality Disorder: Cyclothymic
Basic Belief: I must escape from painful feelings and thoughts.
Strategy: Mastery through expertise.
ESFj
Personality Disorder: Masochistic
Basic Belief: I need others to need me.
Strategy: Submission
INTj
Personality Disorder: Schizotypal
Basic Belief: I need to consider only my own views; I must not be influenced by anyone.
Strategy: Eccentric thinking.
Beta
ENFj
Personality Disorder: Obsessive-Compulsive
Basic Belief: Errors are bad. I must not error.
Strategy: Perfectionism
ISTj
Personality Disorder: Depressive
Basic Belief: I am bad; nothing is pleasurable; there is no hope.
Strategy: Withdrawal.
ESTp
Personality Disorder: Narcissistic
Basic Belief: I am special.
Strategy: Self-aggrandizement
INFp
Personality Disorder: Histrionic
Basic Belief: I need to impress.
Strategy: Dramatics
Gamma
ESFp
Personality Disorder: Borderline
Basic Belief: Other people must satisfy my needs.
Strategy: Relationship change.
INTp
Personality Disorder: Schizoid
Basic Belief: I need plenty of space.
Strategy: Isolation
ENTj
Personality Disorder: Sadistic
Basic Belief: I need power over others.
Strategy: Dominance.
ISFj
Personality Disorder: Dependent
Basic Belief: I am helpless.
Strategy: Attachment
Delta
ESTj
Personality Disorder: Passive-Aggressive
Basic Belief: I could be stepped on.
Strategy: Resistance
INFj
Personality Disorder: Avoidant
Basic Belief: I may get hurt.
Strategy: Avoidance
ENFp
Personality Disorder: Paranoid
Basic Belief: People are potential adversaries.
Strategy: Wariness
ISTp
Personality Disorder: Antisocial
Basic Belief: People are there to be taken.
Strategy: Attack

In b4 shitstorm

[Marietta]

http://www.ptypes.com
ENFp
Personality Disorder: Paranoid
Basic Belief: People are potential adversaries.
Strategy: Wariness

ENFPs, what do you think of that? do you have a tendency for being paranoid? Seems a bit strange at 1st glance, but some enfps here identify themselves as enneagram 6, maybe there's sth to it?

[The Ineffable]

Note that ptypes is not Socionics. Basically different types, although some things coincide here and there.

[Morcheeba]

This is bunch of crap, any type can have any disorder. A psychological disorder occurs due to genetics or environment. I have bipolar and social anxiety as well. Their is a huge misconception that only introverts can have social anxiety, this isn't true. I have met many people that have the same disorders that I have and they have been all of the types.

[Marietta]

This is bunch of crap, any type can have any disorder. A psychological disorder occurs due to genetics or environment. I have bipolar and social anxiety as well. Their is a huge misconception that only introverts can have social anxiety, this isn't true. I have met many people that have the same disorders that I have and they have been all of the types.

there are many kinds of psychological disorders. the 1st post refers to personality disorders, which are different from anxiety disorders or mood disorders that you mentioned. it's a completely different (though controversial) group according to psychological classifications (not according to p-types ) . they are sth that is connected with personality as more or less stable structure, which in this case is considered disordered because it's too inflexible and too much of a "type".

still you could argue if sth like personality exists at all and if it does, which system describes it the most adequately (psychological big Five, socionics, mbti, ennagram or any other) or how different systems complement and fit with each other but the idea of personality disorders makes it type -related.

[Jarno]

This is bunch of crap, any type can have any disorder.

you write a bunch of crap.

schizoid personality is correlated directly to ILI and LII.

According to a survey 45% was ILI, 50% LII, 5% other.

So don't give bullshit if you haven't investigated the matter or only know of 1 example.


Most personality disorders are well correlated to some type or temperament.

[The Ineffable]

This is bunch of crap, any type can have any disorder.

I don't think so, maybe *some* of them can be had by any type. "Personality disorder" is a broad term which may cover behavioral traits related to a large number of factors, including TR and NTR, there's not rule to attest your claim. There are PDs that simply can't be attached to a certain type, for instance it is pretty clear that you can't type a bipolar-affected to XLI, the personality traits are simply contradictory - eg. factual and emotionally stable personality of Te-Creative VS the radical changes of view based on mood of bipolars. I also think that elements of type traits can be found more or less among the symptoms of certain personality disorders.

[The Ineffable]

Borderline Personality Disorder - SEE, ESE [I have a friend who was diagnosed with borderline PD, I type her EIE]

Bipolar disorder - IEE, SEE [IEE and EIE, IMO]

Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder - ESE, LSE [the description of it sounds smore like XSI]

Dependent personality disorder - ??? [SEI - I read something written by Aushra regarding this, too, IIRC she included ESE as a lighter version]

Avoidant personality disorder - ??? [SEI for sure]

Paranoid personality disorder - LSI, ESI [definitely not, paranoia is related to internal assumptions, function-related that would be N and F. Stalin was not paranoid either.]

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[Marie84]

I can relate to Avoidant personality disorder and to a lesser degree Dependent P.D., but I don't want to say that this is necessarily an EII thing since I think how I was raised lead to the feelings of inadequacy, although I can see how type can contribute to these fears to a certain extent
I've noticed that getting away from toxic relationships and finding people you can relate to and appreciate you can affect a persons self-worth significantly

btw I agree with siuntal that Histrionic Personality Disorder is likely more of a stereotype of EIE and to an extent SLE and Antisocial P.D. is more a stereotype of Fi PoLR gone overboard

[Jarno]

Narcissistic Personality Disorder - LIE, ILE I know an LSE and ESI

Borderline Personality Disorder - SEE, ESE seems right

Social Anxiety Disorder - IEE, IEI introverts?

Bipolar disorder - IEE, SEE IEE, i've no clue about other types

Antisocial Personality Disorder - SLE, SLI yep probably most common

Histrionic Personality Disorder - IEE, SEE hmm no. I know an EIE who has this

Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder - ESE, LSE most common is LSI

Schizoid personality disorder - ILI, LII exactly

Schizotypal personality disorder - ILI, IEI yep probably, maybe LII too

Dependent personality disorder - ??? maybe ESI, EII

Avoidant personality disorder - ???

Paranoid personality disorder - LSI, ESI LSI most likely

I've added some

[Disturbed]

Bipolar Disorder: IEE-Ne, ESI-Fi, LSI, ILI-Te, SLI, LSE, in that order (rare in Fe/Ti valuing types except for LSI and maybe ESE)

BPD: ILE, EIE, SLE (most common in Fe-valuing Extraverts), LSI-Se, ESI-Se, SEE-Se (gammas who are attuned to other people and value everyone's emotions, who can look, sound, and act like betas, the ethical subtypes aren't as good at acting/drama, don't notice others' emotional states like the sensory subtypes and borderlines do)

NPD: EIE, ILI, LII (in that order)

ADHD-Hyperactive impulsive type: ILE-Ti, maybe LSI-Se.

ADHD Primarily Inattentive type: IEE (IEE aren't really hyperactive, they don't butt in others' conversations, but they are agitated and they can sit still and do the same thing for a long time)

ADHD Combined type: EIE, SLE, ESI (my older brother and I had it), SEE.

Dependent personality disorder: ESI (probably more common in Se subtype but Fi subtype can have it too; I have dependent traits sometimes), SEI (not sure of subtype), EII-Fi, ILE-Ti occasionally.

[Stray Cat]

Yeah, I wouldn't classify my take as any general rule or nothing but one thing I've noticed about folk with P.D. is excessive pre-occupation with self. Even if they seem superficially altruistic, listen up & it's obvious the stupid sh*t is really about them.

No way I know everyone on Earth or everyone with a fuckin' P.D. but the more one is capable of truly caring outside the self, the better on the psych.

This isn't simple, obviously.

[The Reality Denialist]

If we go by Theodore Millon's assertions PD's patterns should be innate in each individual. I think everyone can type themselves in PD style regardless of the functioning. It is the make up of your cognition.
If we go by the troubled perspective everything is possible because diagnosis are used as tool to get help but I doubt its academical validity.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

This is 10 years old now and Raver is in Heaven but yeah I struggle big time with social anxiety. Raver buddy if u can hear this while floating on a cloud- we love ya man!

I just freeze up in real life social situations. I don't know what to say. Or I feel I have to say something and then might potentinally say something stupid or embarrassing and then hate myself all over again. Hard for me to be real with people, sometimes I wish I could even tell people how badly I hate them or they pissed me off but I just sugar coat things instead. I can usually see somebody's own vulnerability even when they are being an abrasive asshole though (No wonder I'm SLE's dual?) - that's part of what makes it hard for me to act like that with them even when I'm upset. That's what makes me be nice to others at times. But I'm usually indifferent to a lot of rude-ness. As long as you're not being rude to me in a way that I don't like of course lolol.

I don't get offended by a lot of things other people get offended by. But then at the same time I might get hyper-sensitive and avoidant to something most other people are easy to shrug off. Then they don't know what to make of me. I am trolled and annoyed by 'objective' standards of decorum. I root for the bad guys a lot more than the good guys- which I understand is a common thing to do. I'm not the only one that does this- and in a way it's natural and human. I get all that. But for me it can cause me terrible grief & even guilt because the 4D Fi in my ear whispers 'but Hell is real and don't you forget it' lol.

I feel like everybody is running away from negativity- whereas I morbidly want to embrace it, sulk in it.

[Alomoes]

Good meme, actually am diagnosed with a type a personality disorder.

[youfloweryourfeast]

Yea bipolar is more fi because fi can shift quickly in emotions and opinions they will change. I am very bipolar as I can be happy and warm one week, than the next I am moody and depressed and don’t want to talk to anyone. I may have to do with enneagram as well as my dad is an 8 and gets paranoid easily, and his moods change.

[anotherperson]

i wouldve thought types with weak but valued intuition would be schizotypal. the ones with good intuition would already been able to use it effectively.